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#27 Sep 16 2010 at 6:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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My point is, that you have some kind of problem with me as a person, based upon nothing. You talk sh*t to me for no reason other than to make yourself look better.


FYI - Theo has always been that way with everyone. Not just you. Also, he's one of the more knowledgable rogues on these forums due to the fact that he DOES do his research, theorycrafts to find optimal dps rotations, gemming, etc. Just because he hasn't raided in more recent content, doesn't mean he's not uptodate with the information.

Also, while I understand your blog is just that... Your blog, and it's supposed to be helpful to others that are rogues, want to roll a rogue, etc. I don't find it useful at all. As Therion said, having the information and sources within your blog would help greatly. Just because you have the links on the side doesn't mean anything. You're basically wanting us to read your blog, and then do our own research to find out the information (i.e. the special hit cap).

You feel as though everyone here is trying to flame you and call you names, when in reality I think it's YOU that has the problem. You want criticism and we're giving it to you. You're the one that has a problem handling it, and as such, you result to call people out as being "mean and nasty and targetting you specifically."

As mentioned multiple times in the thread, if you're wanting people to read your blog and tell you what they think, learn to grow some and take everything with a grain of salt. It's up to you whether you want to accept what has given to you and change, or stay where you're at right now.

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Now you might think I'm joking, but in deep in ever rogues heart, there lies the desire to take aggro and completely destroy everything. Seriously, this is every rogues dream, to tank, as a rogue. This is the reason there was a dodge debuff in sunwell and now in icc, because a rogue wanted to tank so bad, they became the perfect tank. Blizz couldn't handle that. So I believe this is an effort to satiate every rogues desire to survive while tanking aggro, maybe they just don't want ungeared rogues to die every pull in every instance. All I know is, we need another class to step up and be able to tank, and who better than the rogue ;)


Just wanted to mention something. I don't think I ever had the desire to take aggro on anything. My dream isn't to tank, my dream is to kill crap with "crazy deepz." If a rogue doesn't know how to pull off that dps without taking aggro, then they fail. If I wanted to tank and destroy everything, I'd roll a tanking class and learn how to increase dps that way. Maybe it's your dream and you wish EVERY rogue felt the same, but that's not the case.

Maybe I just don't get blogging, but I really didn't find anything you mentioned helpful, and found it to be a waste.

Also... This should be in the rogue forum.

Edited, Sep 16th 2010 8:27am by xNocturnalSunx
#28 Sep 16 2010 at 7:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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When I saw your avatar and purple name I was like "Theo is an admin now?!" Then I was, like "Damn!" Followed by "Ooooh" and /facepalming myself when I finally re-learned how to read names.
Good thing I didn't post like this then :D
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#29 Sep 16 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tanking. Pfft. Go play a DK like the other retarded rogues.


I know this is intentional but... Irony! :D
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#30 Sep 16 2010 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not Magtheridon, though. He couldn't stop strafing to channel the cubes.
#31 Sep 16 2010 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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himdraug wrote:
When I saw your avatar and purple name I was like "Theo is an admin now?!" Then I was, like "Damn!" Followed by "Ooooh" and /facepalming myself when I finally re-learned how to read names.
Good thing I didn't post like this then :D


Dude, what the hell. Just because you're purplesy doesn't mean you get to steal my stuff.

Get off my lawn! Smiley: mad
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#33 Sep 16 2010 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
I wasn't trying to imply that Theo had some problem with only me, just that it was unfair, unnecessary, and undeserved. The face that he is this way to everyone makes perfect sense.

When I made the blog, the intended audience was basically rogues that are raiding, but are unexperienced or haven't gotten very far, which is why I didn't explain everything in detail. But, opening the blog to a wider audience is a good idea, and one that I will put more effort into doing.

I don't mind criticism, as long as its helpful. If I read a response and it seems like the person is simply trying to make fun of me, I don't consider that helpful. Hyolith's posts had criticism while also remaining respectful, and he gave good solid advice that I really appreciate. While Theo on the other hand made comments like,
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Incredibly simplistic. Looks like it was written by a level 20 rogue who doesn't understand game mechanics.
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Yeah. Do the rogue community a favor and just stop. You have no idea what your class role is.


To again further clarify my comments on rogue tanking. I didn't mean that it was every rogues goal to simply take aggro. As a rogue it is my goal in raids to survive, not get anyone else killed, and do as much dps as possible. However, this is something realistic, as opposed to a dream, which is usually not realistic. I may dream I can fly, but my goal in life isn't to be able to fly. Also I separated my factual discussion of upcoming changes to the class that could be considered "tank" mechanics, from the digression on my personal opinions about rogue tanking, which admittedly had a lot of exaggerations.
#34 Sep 16 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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FYI - Theo has always been that way with everyone. Not just you.


He must be new here. Folks who have hung out in this forum for a while know that the green arrow is called "Isyris", and the red arrow is called "Theo".


xNocturnalSunx wrote:
grow some


That seemed worthy of repeating. It's borderline sigworthy, even. Smiley: nod

Does anybody else think that the OP's screen name looks like a typical goldspammer name? Smiley: dubious
#35 Sep 16 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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S'okay, Xsarus, you brought me a cookie.

jbyehwortui, don't be so aggressive. Attacking Therion for trying to help you is just mind blowing.
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#36 Sep 16 2010 at 2:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wasn't trying to imply that Theo had some problem with only me, just that it was unfair, unnecessary, and undeserved. The face that he is this way to everyone makes perfect sense.

When I made the blog, the intended audience was basically rogues that are raiding, but are unexperienced or haven't gotten very far, which is why I didn't explain everything in detail. But, opening the blog to a wider audience is a good idea, and one that I will put more effort into doing.

I don't mind criticism, as long as its helpful. If I read a response and it seems like the person is simply trying to make fun of me, I don't consider that helpful. Hyolith's posts had criticism while also remaining respectful, and he gave good solid advice that I really appreciate. While Theo on the other hand made comments like,
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Incredibly simplistic. Looks like it was written by a level 20 rogue who doesn't understand game mechanics.
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Yeah. Do the rogue community a favor and just stop. You have no idea what your class role is.

Dude. Bro.

You're making excuses. My criticism was helpful in that you'd get an even worse reception from the rogues that actually do raid and post on EJ. They'd actually probably just ignore you, but they'd be laughing were they forced to read your blog.

The first thing you quoted me posting should actually be pretty helpful, since that's about how you're posting in your blog:

1) You don't go very deep inside mechanics,

2) You make it seem like you're pulling data (without there being any data) out of your ***,

3) You don't have a very deep understanding of the rogue class, or else you don't expound on it.

"Incredibly simplistic" should set off warning lights to you. If your boss came in and tossed your most recent project on your desk and said, "incredibly simplistic, do it over" you would know that you didn't do a good enough job, right?

Yeah, same thing here. I'm playing the role of your boss, because you're doing it wrong.

Therion and others have pointed out where you're going wrong, I'm just pointing it out like a jackass so maybe you'll learn.

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xNocturnalSunx wrote:
FYI - Theo has always been that way with everyone. Not just you.


He must be new here. Folks who have hung out in this forum for a while know that the green arrow is called "Isyris", and the red arrow is called "Theo".

I'd actually like my name added next to the red arrow. Or maybe another button next to the red arrow with an explosion that when you hover over it says "Theo".
#37 Sep 16 2010 at 2:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Grand Master Engineer Furlis wrote:
xNocturnalSunx wrote:
FYI - Theo has always been that way with everyone. Not just you.


He must be new here. Folks who have hung out in this forum for a while know that the green arrow is called "Isyris", and the red arrow is called "Theo".

I'd actually like my name added next to the red arrow. Or maybe another button next to the red arrow with an explosion that when you hover over it says "Theo".
Wait, we're claiming buttons now?
#38 Sep 16 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Overlord Theophany wrote:
Grand Master Engineer Furlis wrote:
xNocturnalSunx wrote:
FYI - Theo has always been that way with everyone. Not just you.


He must be new here. Folks who have hung out in this forum for a while know that the green arrow is called "Isyris", and the red arrow is called "Theo".

I'd actually like my name added next to the red arrow. Or maybe another button next to the red arrow with an explosion that when you hover over it says "Theo".
Wait, we're claiming buttons now?

Nah, Furlis just named both of the rating buttons.
#39 Sep 16 2010 at 2:21 PM Rating: Default
Seriously? How was Theo trying to help me? The most helpful thing he said to me was
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Also, I'd reply to more than just that if I could read your wall of text with awkward comma placement.

Was he trying to be helpful in an R. Lee Ermey kind of way? I don't get it, I wasn't disrespectful to him, but he saw fit to be a complete jerk to me because the blog I just started didn't meet his standards. The very first thing he said was
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Incredibly simplistic. Looks like it was written by a level 20 rogue who doesn't understand game mechanics.

And you tell me I was attacking him? I never once insulted Theo. I did mention he didn't respond when I corrected him, but that I admitted when I was wrong. How did he respond to that?
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Do the rogue community a favor and just stop. You have no idea what your class role is.
More insults.

Theo, you seem like a knowledgeable person, which I assume is why you were so quick to criticize me. All I'm saying, is I wouldn't insult you for something you said in one of your forum FAQs, I probably wouldn't say anything at all unless it was appreciative or helpful. I have no doubt you are a WoW veteran, and I see you have been an active member of these forums for quite some time, but that really is an awful way to treat someone.
#40 Sep 16 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd actually like my name added next to the red arrow. Or maybe another button next to the red arrow with an explosion that when you hover over it says "Theo".



Dang it, I had to rate your post up. I always feel dirty when I do that. Smiley: tongue
#41 Sep 16 2010 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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Theo, you seem like a knowledgeable person, which I assume is why you were so quick to criticize me. All I'm saying, is I wouldn't insult you for something you said in one of your forum FAQs, I probably wouldn't say anything at all unless it was appreciative or helpful. I have no doubt you are a WoW veteran, and I see you have been an active member of these forums for quite some time, but that really is an awful way to treat someone.

Dude, I just wrote out an entire post stating very blatantly where you went wrong. Read it.
#42 Sep 16 2010 at 2:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dude, you've exhibited a larger lack of knowledge than pug rogues here.
I'll start by thanking you for your effort. Rogue seems to be the class (Unfortunately) with the most morons playing it these days. Rogue is the new Hunter. This likely has to do with the extremely simplistic spec (Assassination) being VERY overpowered and VERY easy to play for 90% of the expansion. It could do with how easy they've become to level. I'm not sure but SOMEONE needs to do something like you've done.
But they need to do it RIGHT!
First off, at first, in the blog, you tell people to just gem straight arp. Then, in this forum, you make it very clear you have no idea why, or when, to do this.
ArP gets BETTER at higher gear levels, not worse. The issue with ArP is you NEVER gem for it until you can get ~85% without trinkets. This is where my rogue is at, so she's been regemmed to ArP. When you say "I know it'll become less valuable with more gear" you're showing a blatant ignorance.
Rogue tanking is dead. D.E.A.D. dead. That's "Dead. Ees dayd (Mexican accent). Absolutely dead. Dead."
No, I didn't read your blog, because you likely get paid for people that click through to it, but I've surmised what I needed to from the posters' comments.
#43 Sep 16 2010 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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jbyehwortui wrote:
Seriously? How was Theo trying to help me? The most helpful thing he said to me was
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Also, I'd reply to more than just that if I could read your wall of text with awkward comma placement.

Was he trying to be helpful in an R. Lee Ermey kind of way? I don't get it, I wasn't disrespectful to him, but he saw fit to be a complete jerk to me because the blog I just started didn't meet his standards. The very first thing he said was
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Incredibly simplistic. Looks like it was written by a level 20 rogue who doesn't understand game mechanics.

And you tell me I was attacking him? I never once insulted Theo. I did mention he didn't respond when I corrected him, but that I admitted when I was wrong. How did he respond to that?
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Do the rogue community a favor and just stop. You have no idea what your class role is.
More insults.


Funny how a simple mistake such as believing I wrote "Theo" when in fact I wrote "Therion" can stir the pot, huh? Smiley: smile

Therion, or TherionSaysWhat to use his full name, only gave you constructive criticism upon which you instantly returned the favor with some snide comments about your blog not being Wikipedia or whatever. That's what I meant.
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#44 Sep 16 2010 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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When I made the blog, the intended audience was basically rogues that are raiding, but are unexperienced or haven't gotten very far, which is why I didn't explain everything in detail.

My bold.

This is exactly why you need to include links to mechanics and stat articles from reputable sources. Without explanations "why" things are what they are you are not serving your intended readership.

Blargh, I think I'm done with this topic. Well, aside from...

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I'd actually like my name added next to the red arrow. Or maybe another button next to the red arrow with an explosion that when you hover over it says "Theo".

I nearly spit up fried rice laughing. Well done daddio, well done. +1
#45 Sep 17 2010 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just started it, please comment and tell me what you think :D
http://roguez4life.blogspot.com/


What I think

1. It's short.

2. I gleaned no useful information from it.

3. I gleaned no real opinion from it other than a) you like rogues, and b) you seem to have little knowledge of or love for other classes.

4. I was ultimately left wondering what the goal of the "blog" was. You didn't really set out to Inform - not in detail anyway. There really was no Argument. The whole thing came off like "Hey I feel like telling people that I like Rogues."

The "Information"

1. Rogue dps is the best.
** No it's not. I've been playing almost 2 years now and have never once seen a rogue top any charts in any group I've been in (unless on *my* rogue and even then . .) Not to say they can't be awesome, but it certainly seems rare to see. I see Shammies blow s*** up left and right routinely, Mages spiking crazy numbers, hell I can think of almost any other class that would NOT surprise me to see big numbers from. Except rogues.

2. DPS/GS
** I have no idea what this is. You don't explain what this is, or means. If it has something to do with gearscore then say so. Not everybody uses it. Some people loathe it.

3. DPS optimization
** "Use optimal enchants/gems" . . . .such as as!?!? C'mon, help a brother out here! Don't just start a paragraph like that and then leave me hanging.
** Hit caps . . .are what? What is poison hit, special hit, and white hit?
** Stack ArPen . . is exactly the opposite of what everybody else here and at EJ and such recommends.

4. Post #2
** You briefly gloss over a few things in Cataclysm, which can be found in a million places, and then proclaim that every Rogue wants to tank. No they don't. Don't project your own odd wishes onto everybody else.


See, here's the thing. I have a Rogue that's relatively fresh to 80. I struggle a bit more with her than with some of my others and was hoping for some help. I should be your target audience. Your blog didn't help.

A blog should make readers want to come back. Yours gives no reason for anybody to do so.

Oh, and on another note, your responses to people on this forum aren't helping any. You trash Theo for not raiding but nothing in your blog even mentions raiding and I see armory links are conspicuously absent from the blog. You trash Therion who was, as you requested, giving feedback on your blog. And he wasn't even mean about it; just giving straight objective feedback.

You come off like the Lord High Poo of Rogues when nobody knows you and you have shown nothing to back it up except immature opinions (trust meh roguez r teh awesumz!) and wrong information. Expect to be called out on it.
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Well now that everyone has talked about his blog, let me hijack the thread and ask what you think about mine!
#47 Sep 17 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lord High Poo of Rogues


I call this title or some other variation of it...


And I vote for exploding buttons...
#48 Sep 17 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well now that everyone has talked about his blog, let me hijack the thread and ask what you think about mine!
Hey, I was wondering, do you know if you got much traffic when we put your blog in the news?
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#49 Sep 17 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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And I vote for exploding buttons...


Me too! Me too!

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Hey, I was wondering, do you know if you got much traffic when we put your blog in the news?


Tis the million dollar question. The Shammy from the first blog mentioned he got a 'sizeable' increase in traffic and picked up another follower.

Though I didn't press him for numbers...

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Yes I did have a sizable increase in traffic yesterday and it is still continuing today. No followers yet, but that's ok. But yes traffic has definitely increased. Thanks
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I need to make a blog...

Edit: Although, I'd probably have 27k articles and a bunch of haters. It's how I roll.

Edited, Sep 17th 2010 8:48pm by Mazra
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