Occulus Changes Again. Oh my!Follow

That's all I saw.

Of course, I got into it tonight, no bonuses no nothing. Still did it.

Maybe I'll actually get to see Oculus now. It's the only dungeon I've yet to run.

So an easy dungeon just got a large bag loot attached to it so really bad players will stick around.

This is of course my opinion.

Flame away.

But seriously, this is ridiculous.

edit: This makes me want to get Occy now. I mean it was fine before and I usually get Occy or HoS as the random so WOOT WOOT. 50/50 shot free stuff

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 5:01am by Horsemouth

Yeah, and ***** over all the late-comers who need Normal instance runs, but can't find any...

I remember TBC. I almost quit WoW permanently during it, but then they announced Wrath and I heard some of the promises about "a less painful gear curve" and such, so I stuck around, and I'm glad I did.

I hit Lv70 about the time Black Temple came out, TBC was already halfway into swing. I played a Warrior.

In TBC, nobody wanted a DPS warrior; they sucked unless they were fully decked out in the best Raid Gear and even then, DPS warriors were not common by any means. So, if I wanted to do endgame content, I had to go as a Tank. Gearing up a Tank to Tank Level 80 Normal Dungeons was painful enough, forget Heroics.

I needed lots and lots of Normal Dungeons; I must have done the Lv80 normals at least 20+ times and I had gotten 2 piece of gear, a shield, that wasn't as good as the one I already had (SSO had just recently been released; I had their shield) and a pair of shoulders from Black Morass.

I spent weeks on tanking the same 3-4 instances (Slabs, killed Murmur 8 times, no shoulders), Bot, Mech, and even did Arcatraz a few times, all the while wishing I could get Badges for these runs so that I could actually get decent gear that would let me into Karazhan.

Nobody wants to spend 3, 4, 5+ weeks tanking normal instances for boss drops that almost never drop it.

The current system is fine, though I will agree the Oculus bribes are going a little far. 2 Extra Triumphs, though... the instance already gives 4, you get 2 more from the random LFG system if it wasn't your first dungeon, and then now 2 more from the bag... 8 badges from one instance, I'll definitely love seeing Oculus come up on the Randoms now.

Esp. now that I can get a drake ontop of THAT.

Not sure what they mean by "rare gems" .... do they mean the super-common blue quality ("rare") gems, or do they mean the purple-quality gems? Most of the Blue-Quality gems aren't worth that much, 'cept Yellow and Red... oh well. They still vendor for 3g each. lol.

Edit:

The good thing of it is, is if you "force" (or, well, strongly encourage) people to do Oculus, the "harder" (more complex?) content found within that instance might actually wake some of the scrubs up into being better players. Some of them. Others are beyond hope... that's what Vote-Kick is for.

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 9:26am by Zariamnk

Yay! Now I need to actually get occulus for a random :(

Blue = Rare.

I was doing the LFG thing last night and Oculus popped. My toon went through the loading screen and I see in party chat "crap." The next thing I know, literally within ten seconds, I'm alone in the group. Everyone else dropped group.

Like an idiot I teleported out and dropped group to re-enter the LFG, forgetting for the moment about the 15 minute debuff. I don't think it's that bad an instance, but it has that reputation and it's hard to overcome that. A nice mount may be just the ticket.

I disagree.

This is a game. And there was a while part of it that players just weren't finding fun (to the point where 15 minutes of doing nothing sounded better).

Do you think that maybe, MAYBE, changing the game according to player opinion is actually part of the mission statement for the game?

Did they HAVE to do this? No. And it is surprising. But there certainly isn't anything wrong with it. Blizz wants players to run all of the dungeons. This is a relatively easy-to-make change that will increase the population of players running it. And they may like it better since it has high rewards.

Let's break up players into 5 groups with reference to Occulus:

1. Hate it, Will always leave
2. Kinda Hate or Really Dislike it, will leave sometimes.
3. No strong opinion, will leave if 2 have left.
4. Like it, they aren't going to stick around if if it down to two people.
5. Love it--they run it through specific dungeons all the time.

Now, even with this change, most from group 1 will still leave. Because 6 emblems wasn't enough to entice them, 8 probably won't be. People that really want the mount may stay though.

In group 2, however, you will probably have more people that will hang around upon entering, where they might have left otherwise. And, if one player leaves, they will be more likely to stick around instead of just quitting.

Group 3 is more likely to stay by a decent margin. And, since fewer from groups 1 and 2 will be leaving, they will find themselves in a 3-man party much less.

Group 4 is very likely to stay now.

Group 5 was never going to leave anyway.

I think most players probably fall into groups 3, with a skew towards 1 and 2.

But, this will cause more groups that form to actually DO the instance. That means 3-5 are going to have more fun. Even group 2 may find themselves not hating it AS much.

Overall, people hate Occulus less because their groups aren't falling apart.

Back in the day of the ach for daily dungeon's I had to do the one for occulus. So I started to get a group together. The first recruit said "I love occulus its fun!" So I was like cool. Then it took me awhile to find the other 3 people but eventually I did get a group together. So we get in there. We take down the first boss, then have trouble dealing with flying around. Some of us die more than once, but eventually we get what we needed for the quest. After that first person to say "I'm done" is the guy who said occulus was fun.


More to the point though is. They nerf it, nerf it again, still no one likes it. Now they have to bribe us to do it. HAHAHAHAHA. Always works for government too. You want to be able to do something. Bribe them!

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 7:49am by clusto

Well, the bosses have decent mechanics, that at one point you actually had to pay attention to, and while the last boss isn't hard per say, I enjoy the vehicles and the flying around. I wouldn't want more, but one fight out the heroics is fine with me. Of course between the nerfs and the gear it's just a super fast run, but I still remember when you couldn't just ignore the lightning bars from the first guy, or where the mage would one shot you with his blast.

The only fail part of it is how some people lose their heads when they get off the drake, but that's easily dealt with.

Edited, Jan 5th 2010 9:58am by Xsarus

Ahh Occulus. Bads dont like it becuase it confuzzles them. Decent players don't like it becuase it's to much information to have to try and type out to bads who really should know the instance by now but failed the apptitude test for it before they nerfed it into the mushy bowl of easy paste it is today.

So it annoys both good and bad players when it comes up. I'll take my extra bag of loot as reward for assigning people drakes, and telling the bronze their time stop order on enrage. ( You first, you second ) And reminding players that BIG BALLZ TO FACE IS BAD!

I actually don't leave when I get it. I am head master at the instructional school for Occ newbs. Not that I want to be. But its so easy now we usually get [Make it count] without even trying. So 20 min run. No biggie.