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#1 May 08 2008 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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Is it just me, or are there some discrepancies between rep grinding for Aldor vs rep grinding for Scryers?

After doing a serious farming run last night for Marks of Sargeras, I've been noticing a few things.

Now, I've gotten more Sunfury Signets than I know what to do with, from the Sunfury Attack Plans daily quest, but trying to get Marks of Sargeras? Blaaaaah.

I spent 3 hours farming Forge Camp: Anger in BEM (I didn't do Death's Door because there were already 5 players there killing everything that moved). The mobs are roughly the same level as the blood elves at Manaforge B'naar, which is my favorite Sunfury Attack Plans farming grounds. On an average Daily of that, I can net 15-20 Sunfury Signet rings. This takes me 45min to 90min, roughly.

Three Hours of farming, yes, Three Hours of farming demons (which hit harder, and generally hurt quite a bit more than those wimpy blood elves), I barely managed to make 20 Marks of Sargeras.

So, I go to the AH...

Average BO per Sunfury Signet: 50-70s.
Average BO per Mark of Sargeras: 1g - 2g.
Average BO per Arcane Tome: 9-12g.
Average BO per Fel Armament: 20-22g.

So, recap...

1). There's a daily that involves killing mobs that drop Sunfury Signets.
2). Mobs that drop Sunfury Signets are easier to kill (as a warrior) than the mobs that drop Marks of Sargeras.
3). Sunfury Signets seem to drop more often than Marks of Sargeras.
4). Arcane Tomes have a higher drop rate than Fel Armaments. I've gotten 8 of them so far, from questing in Outlands. I've only seen 2 Fel Armaments.

Is it just me, or is there just a wee bit discrepancy here?

Edited, May 8th 2008 6:26pm by Zariamnk
#2 May 08 2008 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've noticed the same thing.

After a week of farming dailies for SSO, I've just sold 84 Sunfury Signets while I cashed in ~30 Marks of Sargeras.

Like with the faction, I once again excel at making poor decisions.

As for Arcane Tomes vs. Fel Armaments, the first sell for 10g at AH while Armaments sell for 20-30g to as much as 50g some days. In one Attack Plans daily grind, I got three Tomes.

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I think it's actually because for almost every single class the Aldor shoulder enchants are better, but...
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#4 May 08 2008 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Overlord Theophany wrote:
I think it's actually because for almost every single class the Aldor shoulder enchants are better, but...


I will admit, that unless you are a Tailor or a Clothie, there really isn't much reason for you to join the Scryers to be honest. Chalk up for Blizz not giving both factions better rewards...

They have a few BS plans, mainly for Arcane Resist gear, but the Fire Resist gear that you get from Aldor would see more use, IMO. I get hit with Fire a lot more often than I do Arcane from my experiences.

Ah well, I suppose I just gotta camp the AH and pray for someone to stick some MoS up for a reasonable price and do some farming. Bleh, 9.5k to go until Revered...

All this, for a few plans and a piece of tank plate... lol.

Edited, May 8th 2008 6:40pm by Zariamnk
#5 May 08 2008 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's actually because for almost every single class the Aldor shoulder enchants are better, but...

Personally I blame the SSO dailies. Many of them make you kill blood elves so scryers items become much more common in the past month or so.
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#6 May 08 2008 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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/agree The SSO dailies are definitely generating more Scryer rep items per/hour than my regular Aldor rep-grinding areas. Luckily, my pally is Scryer (rep gloves ftw).

But even before 2.4, there was a notable difference in AH buyout costs between the two on my server, it's just more notable now. Always thought it was just the olde supply/demand mechanic.
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#7 May 08 2008 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I think Blizzard should give us some Dailies having to do with all of those Forge Camps around the place to even the score a bit.

More Dailies = Pure WIN.

Maybe one gets tired of fighting nothing but Blood Elves for weeks on end...

Add to that, some Netherstorm Quests outright tell you that Kael'thas and whats-his-face entered a pact. So, why can't the SSO have some dailies that involve fighting demons that drop Marks of Sargeras/Fel Armaments?

Edited, May 8th 2008 7:35pm by Zariamnk
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In the past aldor and scryer items seemed to be worth roughly the same. Over time I noticed that scryer items became slightly cheaper than their aldor counterparts. Today - after reading this thread - I checked the auction house on my server and noticed that aldor items now sell for up to three times as much as scryer items.

It's difficult to say why, but I suppose that SSO dailys greatly increase the supply of scryer items. The same cannot be said for aldor items. Sure, you will kill some odd demons if you complete all SSO quests, but usually way more blood elves have to die.

In addition - at least for my main class - the aldor version of the SSO necklace is supposed to be much much better than it's scryer counterpart. If that's true some people might have decided to change their allegiance which would obviously increase demand for aldor items.

Also the drop rate on scryer items feels like it is higher (which probably is nonsense, but it feels this way anyway).
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Also the drop rate on scryer items feels like it is higher (which probably is nonsense, but it feels this way anyway).


Gotta agree with the OP that there is a significant difference in drop rates.
Running with a guildie last night helping him through the Area 52 Q's, from Blood Elves to Demons. He's Scryer, I'm Aldor, we agreed to trade drops when done. After 2 hours or so (with relative equal grinding in various areas) he ended up with 24 Signets and 4 tomes, I ended up with 5 Marks and 1 Fel Armament.

On Manno:
Marks sell for 2g, Signets for 50s.
Fel Armaments sell for 30g, Tomes for 10g.

So, looks like this is a server wide situation.
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#10 May 08 2008 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Also the drop rate on scryer items feels like it is higher (which probably is nonsense, but it feels this way anyway).


Gotta agree with the OP that there is a significant difference in drop rates.
Running with a guildie last night helping him through the Area 52 Q's, from Blood Elves to Demons. He's Scryer, I'm Aldor, we agreed to trade drops when done. After 2 hours or so (with relative equal grinding in various areas) he ended up with 24 Signets and 4 tomes, I ended up with 5 Marks and 1 Fel Armament.

On Manno:
Marks sell for 2g, Signets for 50s.
Fel Armaments sell for 30g, Tomes for 10g.

So, looks like this is a server wide situation.


So I am _not_ the only one noticing this.

I knew there was a difference, I could feel it... I wonder why Blizz did this?
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Because they hate Blood Elves as much as the rest of us.


SAVE the whale, kill the elves

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#12 May 08 2008 at 6:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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It used to be the opposite ... Scryer's were more expensive.

SSO dailies made it doubly easy to get exalted w/ Scryers (which I've always chosen due the the ability to jump down from the tier and not die!). First, you get signets from mobs and quests, which helps you farm them while also driving down the AH price. Second, inflation along with the dailies make money even easier to get.

Scryer Exalted is so easy to get now ... Everyone serious about a character should have it.

The awesome SSO necklace procs are yet another reason.
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#13 May 09 2008 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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The other thing is look at how many dungeons have mobs that drop Aldor Rep items:
-Slabs...are there any others?

Dungeons that drop Scryer rep items:
-Mech, Bot, Arc, TK.

Notice that Slabs is run a ******** less than the other 3 dungeons not to mention a raid?
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#14 May 09 2008 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
You guys know there are two Sargaras dropping dailies in HFP right?

Although I agree, marks are much harder to acquire, and much more valuable.
The median AH price is nearly double.


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In Netherstorm, Forge Base: Gehenna and Forge Base: Oblivion have had much better drop rates on both marks and fel arms than either of the Forge Camps in BEM.

Killing the demons in Dawning Square and at the Throne of Kil'jaedan for SSO dailies generally results in a handful of marks, per week. It certainly doesn't compare to the number of signets dropping from those quests. I really expected one of the later phases to include another demon-slaughtering daily, alas.

The demons in Mech have seemed to drop marks at about the same rate as the elves there drop signets, or at least it's seemed to me. I usually end up with a small handful of each by the end.

I'm inclined to agree with Theophany that if Aldor rep rewards really are on balance that much better than their Scryer equivalents, perhaps Blizz made a conscious decision to make earning that rep more difficult.


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I've done both. Neither was difficult. I farmed Aldor rep in SMV, Scryer rep doing the SSO dailies. Any instance with demons will drop the Aldor rep items, so all the TK heroics drop them, even Mech.
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#17 May 09 2008 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
there's a small area just south east of area 52 that has lots of fel hounds and a few other demons. I would just kill these. The drop rate on marks is quite good, and I'd make a good chunk of money from the skinning. Of course this wouldn't have worked if I hadn't been a skinner.
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Before the Shattered Sun Offensive, I found Marks much more common than Signets, because there are simply just more mobs in more places that drop them (most demons) in comparison to specifically blood elves.
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Blizzard (IMO) really messed up the faction balancing here. Not only are Scryers now a crapload easier to grind than Aldor but the Aldor DPS Necklaces are far better than the Scryer ones. Crappy hit for 400 with 45-second internal cooldown or +120 Spell Damage for 10 seconds which can chain-proc? Even assuming I'm just spamming Shadow Bolts the Aldor proc adds more damage and procs more often.
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I leveled my hunter as Aldor and it was a (relative) breeze. I did my capping quests in SMV and I had a steady supply of marks and armaments. I also only rarely came across scryer stuff. To top it off, it seems most of my guildies were Scryer and they put extra Aldor items in the GV. There were several times we had 8-9 armaments sitting there for the taking (which I eventually did so I could ding exalted).

I'm currently grinding my druid in the scryer mode. I did his capping quests in Netherstorm which seems to be more scryer friendly. Plus the SSO dailys certainly help a great deal.

I wouldn't gripe about the Sunfury Attack plans as being too off balance, though. I usually get the plans within 5 kills or so. True I also get a signet in that group as well, but I don't think it's over the top.
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I wouldn't gripe about the Sunfury Attack plans as being too off balance, though. I usually get the plans within 5 kills or so. True I also get a signet in that group as well, but I don't think it's over the top.

It's not just the attack plans. There are quel'danas dailies that make you kill blood elves as well.
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Blizzard (IMO) really messed up the faction balancing here. Not only are Scryers now a crapload easier to grind than Aldor but the Aldor DPS Necklaces are far better than the Scryer ones. Crappy hit for 400 with 45-second internal cooldown or +120 Spell Damage for 10 seconds which can chain-proc? Even assuming I'm just spamming Shadow Bolts the Aldor proc adds more damage and procs more often.


My druid is Scryers. He has the tanking necklace. Aldor proc is 100 dodge rating, Scryer proc is 100 expertise. I definitely prefer the expertise, I already push incredible amounts of dodge when I get a few procs and have some raid buffs. Besides, the +hit / +expertise stats on it mean it is more viable as a threat necklace, and expertise >> dodge for threat. I have an avoidance necklace stacked with dodge that I use on hard hitting bosses.
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omg. Please shut up about this. How do you Aldor people think the Scryers felt when they picked up tons of Aldor rep while doing dailies in BEM? And now, there are dailies in Hellfire that give Aldor rep, and even a quest on Quel'Danas that drops Aldor rep.

Scryers have... 3? quests that take us to places that get Scryers rep?

Before SSO, I had to go OUT OF MY WAY to farm scryers rep, and even after it came, it still took me some solid grinding to get exalted.

Plus, there are TONS of places to get Aldor rep while you're still just questing to level. SMV has almost nothing but Burning Legion, There's a lot of it in BEM, a few places in Netherstorm, I think even a place in Terrokar and even Nagrand.

If anything, I think this just evens things out.
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I've taken two toons to exalted with Scryer, and two with Aldor, Scryer was WAY easier.
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It's definetly because of the SSO dailies, supplie is much bigger than demand now, wich makes prices lower. Pretty much the only way for Blizz to change it is to make new dailies wich involve killing a helluva lot of demons.
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#26 May 12 2008 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Mazra......I just have to say, that avatar is soooo freakin hot!!!!

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