Aldor vs Scryer: Rep GrindingFollow

Is it just me, or are there some discrepancies between rep grinding for Aldor vs rep grinding for Scryers?

After doing a serious farming run last night for Marks of Sargeras, I've been noticing a few things.

Now, I've gotten more Sunfury Signets than I know what to do with, from the Sunfury Attack Plans daily quest, but trying to get Marks of Sargeras? Blaaaaah.

I spent 3 hours farming Forge Camp: Anger in BEM (I didn't do Death's Door because there were already 5 players there killing everything that moved). The mobs are roughly the same level as the blood elves at Manaforge B'naar, which is my favorite Sunfury Attack Plans farming grounds. On an average Daily of that, I can net 15-20 Sunfury Signet rings. This takes me 45min to 90min, roughly.

Three Hours of farming, yes, Three Hours of farming demons (which hit harder, and generally hurt quite a bit more than those wimpy blood elves), I barely managed to make 20 Marks of Sargeras.

So, I go to the AH...

Average BO per Sunfury Signet: 50-70s.
Average BO per Mark of Sargeras: 1g - 2g.
Average BO per Arcane Tome: 9-12g.
Average BO per Fel Armament: 20-22g.

So, recap...

1). There's a daily that involves killing mobs that drop Sunfury Signets.
2). Mobs that drop Sunfury Signets are easier to kill (as a warrior) than the mobs that drop Marks of Sargeras.
3). Sunfury Signets seem to drop more often than Marks of Sargeras.
4). Arcane Tomes have a higher drop rate than Fel Armaments. I've gotten 8 of them so far, from questing in Outlands. I've only seen 2 Fel Armaments.

Is it just me, or is there just a wee bit discrepancy here?

Edited, May 8th 2008 6:26pm by Zariamnk

I think it's actually because for almost every single class the Aldor shoulder enchants are better, but...

Personally I blame the SSO dailies. Many of them make you kill blood elves so scryers items become much more common in the past month or so.

I think Blizzard should give us some Dailies having to do with all of those Forge Camps around the place to even the score a bit.

More Dailies = Pure WIN.

Maybe one gets tired of fighting nothing but Blood Elves for weeks on end...

Add to that, some Netherstorm Quests outright tell you that Kael'thas and whats-his-face entered a pact. So, why can't the SSO have some dailies that involve fighting demons that drop Marks of Sargeras/Fel Armaments?

Edited, May 8th 2008 7:35pm by Zariamnk

Gotta agree with the OP that there is a significant difference in drop rates.
Running with a guildie last night helping him through the Area 52 Q's, from Blood Elves to Demons. He's Scryer, I'm Aldor, we agreed to trade drops when done. After 2 hours or so (with relative equal grinding in various areas) he ended up with 24 Signets and 4 tomes, I ended up with 5 Marks and 1 Fel Armament.

On Manno:
Marks sell for 2g, Signets for 50s.
Fel Armaments sell for 30g, Tomes for 10g.

So, looks like this is a server wide situation.

Because they hate Blood Elves as much as the rest of us.


SAVE the whale, kill the elves

Edited, May 8th 2008 9:25pm by Kikoko

The other thing is look at how many dungeons have mobs that drop Aldor Rep items:
-Slabs...are there any others?

Dungeons that drop Scryer rep items:
-Mech, Bot, Arc, TK.

Notice that Slabs is run a ******** less than the other 3 dungeons not to mention a raid?

In Netherstorm, Forge Base: Gehenna and Forge Base: Oblivion have had much better drop rates on both marks and fel arms than either of the Forge Camps in BEM.

Killing the demons in Dawning Square and at the Throne of Kil'jaedan for SSO dailies generally results in a handful of marks, per week. It certainly doesn't compare to the number of signets dropping from those quests. I really expected one of the later phases to include another demon-slaughtering daily, alas.

The demons in Mech have seemed to drop marks at about the same rate as the elves there drop signets, or at least it's seemed to me. I usually end up with a small handful of each by the end.

I'm inclined to agree with Theophany that if Aldor rep rewards really are on balance that much better than their Scryer equivalents, perhaps Blizz made a conscious decision to make earning that rep more difficult.

there's a small area just south east of area 52 that has lots of fel hounds and a few other demons. I would just kill these. The drop rate on marks is quite good, and I'd make a good chunk of money from the skinning. Of course this wouldn't have worked if I hadn't been a skinner.

Blizzard (IMO) really messed up the faction balancing here. Not only are Scryers now a crapload easier to grind than Aldor but the Aldor DPS Necklaces are far better than the Scryer ones. Crappy hit for 400 with 45-second internal cooldown or +120 Spell Damage for 10 seconds which can chain-proc? Even assuming I'm just spamming Shadow Bolts the Aldor proc adds more damage and procs more often.

It's not just the attack plans. There are quel'danas dailies that make you kill blood elves as well.

omg. Please shut up about this. How do you Aldor people think the Scryers felt when they picked up tons of Aldor rep while doing dailies in BEM? And now, there are dailies in Hellfire that give Aldor rep, and even a quest on Quel'Danas that drops Aldor rep.

Scryers have... 3? quests that take us to places that get Scryers rep?

Before SSO, I had to go OUT OF MY WAY to farm scryers rep, and even after it came, it still took me some solid grinding to get exalted.

Plus, there are TONS of places to get Aldor rep while you're still just questing to level. SMV has almost nothing but Burning Legion, There's a lot of it in BEM, a few places in Netherstorm, I think even a place in Terrokar and even Nagrand.

If anything, I think this just evens things out.

It's definetly because of the SSO dailies, supplie is much bigger than demand now, wich makes prices lower. Pretty much the only way for Blizz to change it is to make new dailies wich involve killing a helluva lot of demons.