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#1 Dec 08 2006 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/index.html?en


 
1st	Felguard	        79,088 
2nd	Voidwalker	        31,194 
3rd	Water Elemental	        26,446 
4th	Drek'Thar	        23,063 
5th	Broken Tooth	        16,484 
6th	Succubus	        14,119 
7th	Icewing Warmaster	12,879 
8th	Stonehearth Warmaster	11,938 
9th	Felhunter	        11,860 
10th	King Bangalash	        11,036


Felguard appears to be pretty powerful Smiley: lol

Water Elemental isn't that bad either.

Does that say anything about the relative strengths of Warlocks and Mages post 2.0?

Notice that Drek'thar is still up there? I still contend he is twice as powerful as Van

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 12:41pm by baelnic
#2 Dec 08 2006 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Spooky.
#3 Dec 08 2006 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Grandmother baelnic wrote:


Notice that Drek'thar is still up there? I still contend he is twice as powerful as Van

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 12:41pm by baelnic


I contend that the horde sends more people in to freak out and delay the alliance... along with the alliance not treating him exactly right. I was talking to a couple people who also play alliance in the 50-60s, and let him ping-pong all around... which the horde doesn't do on Van. Besides, you get to bypass half our base anyways and we have to pull pretty much all of yours... So yea, i'd say it evens out.
#4 Dec 08 2006 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Oh I'm just talking about Mob vs. Mob (and maybe the warmasters too). I'm not saying anything about the bases.

Drek hits like a truck, is difficult to pull (Van can be pulled without the warmasters even being down), and is in a smaller room.

I'm mostly just pissed that our named NPC's are pansies. I want to see Van at the top of those charts!

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 12:58pm by baelnic
#5 Dec 08 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Tomec the Wise wrote:
Grandmother baelnic wrote:


Notice that Drek'thar is still up there? I still contend he is twice as powerful as Van

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 12:41pm by baelnic


I contend that the horde sends more people in to freak out and delay the alliance... along with the alliance not treating him exactly right. I was talking to a couple people who also play alliance in the 50-60s, and let him ping-pong all around... which the horde doesn't do on Van. Besides, you get to bypass half our base anyways and we have to pull pretty much all of yours... So yea, i'd say it evens out.


Drek is incredibly easier to defend, because horde can have defenders waiting inside until the alliance has to engage him. Horde can sit inside Van's room picking off all player-controlled defense before they even engage Van himself.

There is zero way to kill all player horde defense without aggroing Drek, if the defense wants to hold out and force Drek into the fight.

There is zero way to play alliance defense and force horde to aggro Van before they kill you.

And let's face it, the largest amount of damage a defense can do is while Drek/Van are engaged. The fact that you can have a guaranteed clean room when you first engage Van is a huge deal.
#6 Dec 08 2006 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
Grandmother baelnic wrote:
From:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/index.html?en


 
1st	Felguard	        79,088 
2nd	Voidwalker	        31,194 
3rd	Water Elemental	        26,446 
4th	Drek'Thar	        23,063 
5th	Broken Tooth	        16,484 
6th	Succubus	        14,119 
7th	Icewing Warmaster	12,879 
8th	Stonehearth Warmaster	11,938 
9th	Felhunter	        11,860 
10th	King Bangalash	        11,036


Felguard appears to be pretty powerful Smiley: lol

Water Elemental isn't that bad either.

Does that say anything about the relative strengths of Warlocks and Mages post 2.0?

Notice that Drek'thar is still up there? I still contend he is twice as powerful as Van

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 12:41pm by baelnic


I think this is a *little* skewed, since hunters can have MANY pets (of which BT and King B are the most popular), but warlocks are left to have only a few, and mages only one.

Notice that almost everything here is PVP-oriented Smiley: grin
#7 Dec 08 2006 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Voidwalker being second is really really suprising to me. He's only used in BG's for the shield and doesn't hit very hard and yet is still #2!
#8 Dec 08 2006 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Oh I'm just talking about Mob vs. Mob (and maybe the warmasters too). I'm not saying anything about the bases.


Well, I was only talking about the bases because that is still a sore spot to me really... but also it may help explain why Drek MAY be harder...

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Drek hits like a truck, is difficult to pull (Van can be pulled without the warmasters even being down), and is in a smaller room.


You know, I always hear people say that Van can be pulled without the warmasters, and so can Drek... but i've never seen it before. I also happen to know that Van hits like a truck also. He'll 1-2 shot most people, and can 3-4 shot the tank tanking him.
#9 Dec 08 2006 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Notice that Drek'thar is still up there? I still contend he is twice as powerful as Van.


Ahhhrrr...the reason Drek is there and Van isn’t is that Drek gets pulled more often than Van does. Because the Allies get through the Horde landscape much easier than the Horde get through the Ally landscape.

Kills more <> more powerful. Defias Pillager was on the list above Van last week. We all recognize that Van’s tougher than a Defias Pillager, right?
#10 Dec 08 2006 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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You know, I always hear people say that Van can be pulled without the warmasters, and so can Drek


Drek can't be pulled without the warmasters, he won't bug like Van will because of difference in terrain. The first time I saw it I was floored.

Here is a video that shows the proof, but not the exploit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8952326401126228689&q=vanndar&hl=en

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 1:29pm by baelnic
#11 Dec 08 2006 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sure part of it is the new toy syndrome. Lots more people playing with the new summons this week to see what they can do.
#12 Dec 08 2006 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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rappoccio wrote:
Notice that almost everything here is PVP-oriented


Almost?
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#13 Dec 08 2006 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
Bangalash and Broken Tooth isn't
#14 Dec 08 2006 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Notice that almost everything here is PVP-oriented



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Almost?


Heh, I'm sure an un-tamed PvE Broken Tooth or King Bangalash has a kill or two. = P


As for the stats, I'm sure they are very misleading. It just records killing blows, no?

And I'll stay out of the AV debate; I've never played it from the alliance side. You faction-swapping traitors!
#15 Dec 08 2006 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Bangalash and Broken Tooth isn't


They're the most common hunter pets, and I'm sure that's how they got the vast majority of their kills.
#16 Dec 08 2006 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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emmitsvenson wrote:
Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Notice that Drek'thar is still up there? I still contend he is twice as powerful as Van.


Ahhhrrr...the reason Drek is there and Van isn’t is that Drek gets pulled more often than Van does. Because the Allies get through the Horde landscape much easier than the Horde get through the Ally landscape.


Heh winner =P The statistic is only really interesting in that it lends credence to the claim that AV highly favors the Alliance.

I do find it a bit odd that the voidwalker is so high though...
#17 Dec 08 2006 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
It only says that the Alliance win at AV more, not that there is an imbalance.
#18 Dec 08 2006 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
Azuarc wrote:
rappoccio wrote:
Notice that almost everything here is PVP-oriented


Almost?


alright everything
#19 Dec 08 2006 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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Grandmother baelnic wrote:
Voidwalker being second is really really suprising to me. He's only used in BG's for the shield and doesn't hit very hard and yet is still #2!


It's quite possible that a Voidwalker's Sacrifice will credit it for a kill, since it kills itself.
#20 Dec 08 2006 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, it’s not necessarily a sure sign that the Allies win AV more often, though it suggests that. But it seems to be a strong indication that that Drek is in combat more than Van is.

I’ve never played AV as Alliance, so my perspective is limited. I defer to the people who have done a great deal of PVP on both sides of the fence who have assured me that given equal player defense, penetrating the Horde base is much easier than penetrating the Alliance base.
#21 Dec 08 2006 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Makaro wrote:
It only says that the Alliance win at AV more, not that there is an imbalance.


Umm... I assure you it isn't due to the Alliance's superior PVP skill that is causing them to win a disproportionate number of AVs, especially considering their relative win ratio in the other battlegrounds.

AV is alliance favored, AB is horde favored (slightly), WSG is balanced.
#22 Dec 08 2006 at 2:35 PM Rating: Decent
Well, they are smart enough to defend usually, and the horde do not, thus they lose. There is a slight terrain imbalance, but it is easily overcome if the horde just play defense and play it smart.
#23 Dec 08 2006 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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noobasaurus wrote:
Makaro wrote:
It only says that the Alliance win at AV more, not that there is an imbalance.


Umm... I assure you it isn't due to the Alliance's superior PVP skill that is causing them to win a disproportionate number of AVs, especially considering their relative win ratio in the other battlegrounds.

AV is alliance favored, AB is horde favored (slightly), WSG is balanced.


The main reason AV is (currently) "alliance favored" is because both sides readily give up their foremost graveyard to the other side. For the alliance defense that's not a major concern, for two reasons. The first is because Stonehearth is a very easily assaulted or just bypassed graveyard. The second is because Stormpike is easier to defend due to the close quarters.

It is far more of a drawback for horde to simply give up Iceblood though. Tactically it's a very strong graveyard, especially due to the fact that there is a very narrow pathway (one frost trap would cover the entire road) to get to it, in addition to the TWO Lt's that static guard it, as well as another that walks by. There is also the additional problem of getting past Iceblood for any horde who die before Stonehearth is taken.

Once Iceblood is gone, it's much easier for the alliance. Frostwolf is really wide open, making it difficult for any defenders to effectively AoE. There is still a very strong and narrow corridor the horde have right before their towers that can be easily defended, but I've rarely seen any horde even try to defend it anymore.




Iceblood is fairly central to how the battle goes. If the alliance can take it early, and easily, they can cut off horde reinforcements, strangle their offense, sadly enough horde give up after that, and when it comes down to a 30v40 rush, the 40 will always win.
#24 Dec 08 2006 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
Drek thar has a whirlwind and sweeping strikes (Hits a second target) AE whereas vanndar only has avatar, thunderclap and storm hammer
#25 Dec 08 2006 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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cross server horde suck *** at AV. no one knows how to do anything.

azgalor horde rock *** at AV. i havent lost one yet thanks to the fact that XBG is temporarily disabled.
#26 Dec 08 2006 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Viduus wrote:
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Bangalash and Broken Tooth isn't


They're the most common hunter pets, and I'm sure that's how they got the vast majority of their kills.



I once saw a blue post stats like this, almost a year ago and CAT was one of the top contenders.

It was from hunters that never re-named their pet. I think now they categorize the named mobs (that are pets).
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