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#1 Dec 08 2006 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I was just curious if anyone knew, if you gained any amount of honor per kill? I heard someone in-game say that you received something like 5 honor for every kill. I doubt this to be true, as I did around 10-12 arathi Basin's last night, compiling over 200 kills. In these games, we won two of them gaining me 287 'Bonus' honor for each of those wins. In the games I lost, most of them were somewhat close, and I received over 100 'Bonus' honor.

It takes awhile for you honor to show (at least for me), but when I checked this morning after last nights BG' runs, I had ~1187 honor listed. I am assuming from this, that you do not receive much honor, if any at all from kills?!? Had I received 5 honor per kill, I would have had much more honor than the 1187!

Does anyone anything about honor/ kills? Any information would be great. Thanks in advance!
#2 Dec 08 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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It seems to *usually* be 5 honor for a kill. If you turn on all messages in your combat log (I'm not sure which option exactly it is) you'll sometimes see honor gained when you kill someone. It might have to do with diminishing returns per kill on someone per day, or it might have to do with contribution from different players/groups, or level, or all three. I'd mostly get 5 honor per person, sometimes up to 15 honor and sometimes as little as 2 or 3 honor, if I'm not confusing the messages I saw last night with rep gains or BG honor gains.
#3 Dec 08 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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It all depends on who you kill. If you kill someone who is green to you, it ain't going to be much, I tell you that.
#4 Dec 08 2006 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I get anywhere from 1-25 honor per kill. Of course it all depends how much you damage said player.
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#5 Dec 08 2006 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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It all depends on who you kill. If you kill someone who is green to you, it ain't going to be much, I tell you that.


I just recently hit level 60, and was in the 60 bracket. So all same level there.

I also was not even considering the reduction from killing the same player twice during a battle or damage done. I had some really good games where I topped the charts in the top 5, where I had alot of good one on one battles I would win.

#6 Dec 08 2006 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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At level 19, you get 1-3 Honor per kill it seems.
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#7 Dec 08 2006 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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In AB you 28 Bonus honour for every 300 odd resources your guys turn in as well as the 200 bonus honour on top if you win or the 80-130 odd honour if you lose. Adding that in for your 12 games and the honour total you came away with doesn't add up, even before you start factoring in your kill values.

I'd guess that the honour value calculation was a bit screwed up (there was a fair bit of this going on at the start) give it a day and see if it changes. Otherwise i'm baffled.

As for honour per kill for a group kill its usually somewhere between 4-8 honour, for a solo kill its usually 20-25 honour.
#8 Dec 09 2006 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
I wish Blizzard would do something to better the honor system. Outside of the 6 crashes I've experienced which have led to 3 lost AV tokens, 3 lost AB tokens and an un-estimated amount of honor.

The honor system has totally ruined how the BGs are to be played. AV is an absolute joke for the Horde, AB and WSG is over-ran with Alliance Pre-mades in Tier 2 or better.

AV honor needs to be given for reaching objectives like: collecting wolves and getting wolf riders out, collecting ram hide, getting sky lords back to base camp, mines, etc.,. Because as of right now AV is like grinding Timbermaw rep. There's no such thing as strategy or defense on the Horde. It's "everyone on offense, no defense, end this quick and let's kill all LTs and Bal to get some honor and our one token". Damn Alliance has to love this stuff. I know I would if I was Alliance. Having the opposing team roll over for you like that, what a dream deal.

AB and WSG is full of pre-mades in Tier 2 gear. WTF is that all about? I'm sure if Blizzard gave reduction points based off your gear ratio to the opponent your fighint gear ratio then that'd stop. In other words if I kill a guy in Tier 2 set I get 15 honor points if he kills me in my ****** blue Tier 0 gear he get's 1/2 a point. Something like that. Or just put all the pre-mades into the same BG. Let us pugs have fun as it's a true test of skill for us. Those pre-mades are not necessarily ruining the game as they have rights to play too, but they sure are making it difficult to enjoy the BGs anymore.
#9 Dec 09 2006 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Tronseeker wrote:

AB and WSG is full of pre-mades in Tier 2 gear. WTF is that all about?


I don't know if this is the same case with your battlegroup, but on my server most high level raiding guilds are pretty much taking time off from raiding right now until the bugs of the patch get worked out. Server keeps going down during raids, no mods are working and so on so they figure they'll just BG together as a guild for fun and to fill in the odd spot where the PvP gear may be an upgrade. It would suck to be on the opposing team though. Give it a week, it might get better. People will get bored soon enough.
#10 Dec 10 2006 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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AB and WSG is full of pre-mades in Tier 2 gear. WTF is that all about? I'm sure if Blizzard gave reduction points based off your gear ratio to the opponent your fighint gear ratio then that'd stop. In other words if I kill a guy in Tier 2 set I get 15 honor points if he kills me in my sh*tty blue Tier 0 gear he get's 1/2 a point. Something like that. Or just put all the pre-mades into the same BG. Let us pugs have fun as it's a true test of skill for us. Those pre-mades are not necessarily ruining the game as they have rights to play too, but they sure are making it difficult to enjoy the BGs anymore


I know of some pre-made's on alliance, but horde is far worse. On Silver Hand, the horde almost ALWAYS wins in AB, WSG. There teams usually consist of very well equiped (tier 2-3), and very organized (pre-made?).

Over this past weekend, I played in a AB game against an entire horde guild. The majority of the horde's team all had the same tabard, and easily 5 capped and ended the torture fast. It was the quickest game I had ever seen...
#11 Dec 10 2006 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
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The honor system has totally ruined how the BGs are to be played. AV is an absolute joke for the Horde, AB and WSG is over-ran with Alliance Pre-mades in Tier 2 or better.

AV honor needs to be given for reaching objectives like: collecting wolves and getting wolf riders out, collecting ram hide, getting sky lords back to base camp, mines, etc.,. Because as of right now AV is like grinding Timbermaw rep. There's no such thing as strategy or defense on the Horde. It's "everyone on offense, no defense, end this quick and let's kill all LTs and Bal to get some honor and our one token". Damn Alliance has to love this stuff. I know I would if I was Alliance. Having the opposing team roll over for you like that, what a dream deal.

AB and WSG is full of pre-mades in Tier 2 gear. WTF is that all about? I'm sure if Blizzard gave reduction points based off your gear ratio to the opponent your fighint gear ratio then that'd stop. In other words if I kill a guy in Tier 2 set I get 15 honor points if he kills me in my sh*tty blue Tier 0 gear he get's 1/2 a point. Something like that. Or just put all the pre-mades into the same BG. Let us pugs have fun as it's a true test of skill for us. Those pre-mades are not necessarily ruining the game as they have rights to play too, but they sure are making it difficult to enjoy the BGs anymore.


The door swings both ways. I am alliance, and in my battlegroup, I see a horde preform AT LEAST 1/2 of the battles. AV is a joke. I think I have won maybe 1/4th of all the battlegrounds I have done.
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#12 Dec 11 2006 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
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In the options menu turn on the setting under the advanced tab that shows you honor / reputation. It is in the same area as the option to show damage. Now every time you kill someone or a BG objective (like killing an NPC) is achieved a blue text will appear showing your honor gain.
#13 Dec 11 2006 at 4:20 AM Rating: Good
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I'm personally disregarding Blizzard's built in honor estimation because it seems to always be at least half as much as I am really getting post-2.0 patch. For 255 HKs yesterday, I got over 3000 honor, and I had similar numbers the night before, so I'm getting closer to 10+ honor per kill.

I don't know if gear is involved (I'm in a mix of tier 0 + 0.5 normally facing off against well geared opponents) or damage done (with sneaky DoTs and excellent shadow damage, I'm dishing out more damage than I would have expected!). But then again, I'm a PvP nub so to speak, so... well... I've given you my numbers, take from it what you will, heheh.
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