There has been alot of recent discussion about the new pvp / reward system and wether or not it is effective. I am still upset about some of the changes, although i do see where they will help people get things they need.
Scenario 1: your character is 50+ and you have not done much pvp, it will now require less time to get the things you need / want to make your toon more effective.
Scenario 2: You start a new toon or just started playing, prepare to spend alot of time in bg's to get weapons and armor for each level bracket.
I disagree with having to constantly return to battlegrounds to earn more honor and marks to spend on armor which will eventually be reaplced anyhow.
Might as well level up to the 50 bracket, and then take on pvp.
This brings me to my main point which is twinking your toon. I recently twinked a rogue(cliche perhaps but rogue owns, face it) in an effort to gain enough rep for both WSG and AB so i could breeze to 60 with shiny new weapons and armor at my disposal without much more wasted time, just some wasted gold. i focused on the 29 bracket, since the 19 bracket is well.. the 19 bracket. 2 bars away from revered with wsg, the patch is released. Now im literally stuck up the river without a paddle. I feel like it has been a huge waste of effort.
Nobody with common sense would twink to simply farm HK's, everyone does it to earn rep, atleast the ones who are sane. Now that rep means jack-diddly, so does twinking, might as well just do bg's for a couple of upgrades and move on, theres no reason to hang out in a bracket now, which was good fun in my opinion. This may have been blizzards intention, or possibly just an added bonus. It just seems to me that it would make more sense to leave the rewards the same and adjust the ranking system so that players wont loose rank if they dont play for a short time. I have to admit being able to get epic mounts for a mere 30 marks per bg is kinda nice.
However whats done is done, so i suppose we can either adjust to the new system, or give up entirely, which is looking more enticing the more i think about it.
~~end rant~~
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Not all twinks do it for rep. I do it for fun, so therefore my twink isn't dead.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 10:19am by madslane
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 10:19am by madslane
You twink for the fun of twinking, not for rep or honor.
If you wanted rep and honor, why not just fight with your 60?
If you wanted rep and honor, why not just fight with your 60?
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You twink for the fun of twinking, not for rep or honor.
Close. You twink to be selfish and lock normal players out of low level BG brackets.
You guys already have your twink QQ thread. Post there.
I'll even be nice and link it for you.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21;mid=116533939472801840;num=130;page=1
I'm rating down everyone who whines in this thread for the entire life of this thread.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 8:18am by KTurner
I'll even be nice and link it for you.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21;mid=116533939472801840;num=130;page=1
I'm rating down everyone who whines in this thread for the entire life of this thread.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 8:18am by KTurner
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Posted: Dec 08 2006 at 8:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Don't you people who twink ever wonder *why* the subject keeps popping up all the time? Why it's constantly being raised how twinks take the fun out of lower level BGs for everybody?
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Don't you people who twink ever wonder *why* the subject keeps popping up all the time? Why it's constantly being raised how twinks take the fun out of lower level BGs for everybody?
Newsflash:
It's a heck of alot easier for you to twink out a level 19 with blues and compete in the lower brackets than it is for you to deck yourself out in epix and compete in the 60s.
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I was simply trying to explain some of the recent issues with the honor and ranking systems rather than begin a @#%^ fest of flaming but hey, its a wow forum so whatever.
Besides your all missing my main point anyway. The point of the thread is to point out that twinking is a waste of time, as most of the best twink items are attainable as pvp rewards I.E rings, ammy's, and most swords and daggers. Twinks who wanna waste time to farm HK's are gonna end up wasting more time in the longrun if they choose to change bracket's, and be twinked in the process. Learn to read ...... **** it aint that hard.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:42am by Dundea
Besides your all missing my main point anyway. The point of the thread is to point out that twinking is a waste of time, as most of the best twink items are attainable as pvp rewards I.E rings, ammy's, and most swords and daggers. Twinks who wanna waste time to farm HK's are gonna end up wasting more time in the longrun if they choose to change bracket's, and be twinked in the process. Learn to read ...... **** it aint that hard.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:42am by Dundea
Of course your going to rate people down who dont like twinks. Your a twink who actually believes that you do it for fun. But how is it fun to press 2 buttons and have them die?
Just because you stated your going to rate me down (like I care, I have no color name for a reason) im going to generalize and assume your like most noob twinks who would crap themselves if they actually were challenged.
Do you play the 60 BGs? I doubt it cause you might actually run into epicd out enemies. Keep owning newbs in the 10-19 with one swing of your twinked out gear....but just remember when you run into another twink and get your *** kicked....that your mommy still loves you.
Just because you stated your going to rate me down (like I care, I have no color name for a reason) im going to generalize and assume your like most noob twinks who would crap themselves if they actually were challenged.
Do you play the 60 BGs? I doubt it cause you might actually run into epicd out enemies. Keep owning newbs in the 10-19 with one swing of your twinked out gear....but just remember when you run into another twink and get your *** kicked....that your mommy still loves you.
sorry to hear you didn't make revered and just missed it before the patch - it's too bad. I have to say, and this is not about twinks, one of the things I really liked about rep rewards was that time invested in the BGs at early lvls ensured you an equipment upgrade every 10 levels further up the ladder. As such often with my toons I would invest a fair amount of time from lvl x5-x9 doing BGs particulalry in the lower brackets and then later on convert to a more PVE-instance mode. I have still to do some BGs with the new system but I hope there still is some sense of prolonged achievement rather than rushing to get enough honor to buy the next item.
edit: weird spacing issue corrected
edit2: must be asleep today...
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:56am by dashwoe
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:57am by dashwoe
edit: weird spacing issue corrected
edit2: must be asleep today...
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:56am by dashwoe
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:57am by dashwoe
The biggest problem that I see in this thread is people thinking that *THEIR* way of playing the game is the BEST way to play and if people play the game differently, they are 'wasting' their time.
Everyone plays this game differently and for different reasons. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to twink, some people do. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to play in each bracket for new gear as they level up, some people do.
Neither party is right or wrong, but condemning each other for playing differently is wrong.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:57am by Webjunky
Everyone plays this game differently and for different reasons. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to twink, some people do. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to play in each bracket for new gear as they level up, some people do.
Neither party is right or wrong, but condemning each other for playing differently is wrong.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 11:57am by Webjunky
I see your point. I just cant stand it when people try to defend twinking. I have a twink I will admit that. It was fun for a bit. I convinced myself it was for the honor and fun and not because I liked how easy it was. But it got boring.
Sorry for the rant on the twinks, I just rolled a new toon though and tried to enjoy some PvP and unless I decide to spend my bank on this toon it just isnt fun until your in the 20-29 or higher range. I suppose instead of crying I should just level past these twinks, but its just disappointing that you cant enjoy PvP at low levels in this game unless you decide to twink.
Sorry for the rant on the twinks, I just rolled a new toon though and tried to enjoy some PvP and unless I decide to spend my bank on this toon it just isnt fun until your in the 20-29 or higher range. I suppose instead of crying I should just level past these twinks, but its just disappointing that you cant enjoy PvP at low levels in this game unless you decide to twink.
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Now im literally stuck up the river without a paddle. I feel like it has been a huge waste of effort.
It's not like this shoul be surprise. We knew it was comin for a long time. Racing against that clock was a gamble. Sorry you came up short though I'm sure that is frustrating.
Personally I miss the titles. Being stuck at my current one kind of sucks becuase I took a big break from PvP to get my character to 60. I knew it was coming though so no biggie.
There is one reason to twink, and that is to crush people for entertainment.
A twink is nothing more than an optimized character within the limits of the game. If people say twinks ruin the game for "normal" characters, then we must set an artificial limit to development.
So you don't like my 100% optimal character destroying your 50% optimal "normal" character. What do you think I should do? Play at 70%? Maybe even the playing field at 50% like you? I'll bet you wouldn't complain if I was only 30% and you could crush me, would you? No, you wouldn't--you would enjoy that.
Just like I enjoy destroying your sorry 50% optimal "normal" character. Twinking is not cheating and it isn't a way of compensating for lack of skill. Twinking is what the best and most aggressive players do to dominate the weak.
I am good and I am mean, so learn to live with it--or rather die with it.
A twink is nothing more than an optimized character within the limits of the game. If people say twinks ruin the game for "normal" characters, then we must set an artificial limit to development.
So you don't like my 100% optimal character destroying your 50% optimal "normal" character. What do you think I should do? Play at 70%? Maybe even the playing field at 50% like you? I'll bet you wouldn't complain if I was only 30% and you could crush me, would you? No, you wouldn't--you would enjoy that.
Just like I enjoy destroying your sorry 50% optimal "normal" character. Twinking is not cheating and it isn't a way of compensating for lack of skill. Twinking is what the best and most aggressive players do to dominate the weak.
I am good and I am mean, so learn to live with it--or rather die with it.
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The biggest problem that I see in this thread is people thinking that *THEIR* way of playing the game is the BEST way to play and if people play the game differently, they are 'wasting' their time.
Everyone plays this game differently and for different reasons. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to twink, some people do. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to play in each bracket for new gear as they level up, some people do.
Neither party is right or wrong, but condemning each other for playing differently is wrong.
Everyone plays this game differently and for different reasons. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to twink, some people do. Some people will not see it as a waste of time to play in each bracket for new gear as they level up, some people do.
Neither party is right or wrong, but condemning each other for playing differently is wrong.
And nobody said anyone elses way or idea of how to play was wrong, certainly not me, i simply said i had felt that i had wasted my OWN time before the patch came out.
Honestly everytime i looked for patch notes, all i found was "revamped" pvp system, there were no specific details on how or what was going to be changed, atleast that i could find, so i went on my merry way with doing bg's and slowly gaining rep. Its not like i wasted a whole mess of time i wasnt gonna waste anyway, and as i said i had good fun and met some nice people in the process, so its not an ENTIRE loss, i just was looking forward to never having to do wsg for a loooong time.
Edited, Dec 8th 2006 12:17pm by Dundea
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Twinks are not going to die, get real. There was never such a thing as a Twink in the first place. "Twink" is a word or label given to a fully optimized character by regular players who didnt put any effort into gearing their toons for the BG's. They call us this name to make themselves look good regardless of their lackluster performance. its a way to save face so they can keep coming back and hopfully one time win a game or get in a winning group. Most par to sub par players do this becuase it makes them feel good after getting their Butt handed to them.
Now the ultimate is a fully optimized toon with a player who knows their game also. Myself i do not do anything, and i mean anything, half way. when i create a toon for a reason, in this case to play in the BG's, i am not going to do this half ****** that means i will find the right weapon combo, the right gear and figure out how to play the class to its best. I put everything i can into making that gear as good as possible and to make my play as good as possible. Now why in anyones right mind would i do anything less. i do not go into the BG's just to make you look bad, i go into them to not only make you look bad but to fricken WIN!!! What is the point of the BG's??, YEP you guessed it, to fricken WIN. What the heck are you guys/gals thinking. this is not some Boy/Girl Scout camp jamboree and its not like we can cheat in a game like a steriod user playing Baseball or Football. everything i do to my toon is within the rules of the game and legal to do. I am not going to pull some crap green or white gear and put it on just to satisfy your false sense of Fairness. Get a grip. i will take any and all advantages i have or can find and beat you with it.
You dont want to do the most simple of things to improve your toon, thats your choice. If you face me in game you best be prepared because i'm not going to listen to any whining, just go cry in your beer after i am done with ya. and if you beat me, good on ya but you wont here me crying about it. i will be finding out what i did wrong and fix it so it wont happen again. And i am smiling the whole time becuase i am having fun, in fact i am having a blast.
There was and is no such thing as a "Twink". While i recognize the reference, i am not a Twink. You lazy players wanna label me go for it. i have a World of Warcraft Character that has the BEST gear for their level, period.
Pamula Level 19 Cow Warrior of Spinebreaker.
Now the ultimate is a fully optimized toon with a player who knows their game also. Myself i do not do anything, and i mean anything, half way. when i create a toon for a reason, in this case to play in the BG's, i am not going to do this half ****** that means i will find the right weapon combo, the right gear and figure out how to play the class to its best. I put everything i can into making that gear as good as possible and to make my play as good as possible. Now why in anyones right mind would i do anything less. i do not go into the BG's just to make you look bad, i go into them to not only make you look bad but to fricken WIN!!! What is the point of the BG's??, YEP you guessed it, to fricken WIN. What the heck are you guys/gals thinking. this is not some Boy/Girl Scout camp jamboree and its not like we can cheat in a game like a steriod user playing Baseball or Football. everything i do to my toon is within the rules of the game and legal to do. I am not going to pull some crap green or white gear and put it on just to satisfy your false sense of Fairness. Get a grip. i will take any and all advantages i have or can find and beat you with it.
You dont want to do the most simple of things to improve your toon, thats your choice. If you face me in game you best be prepared because i'm not going to listen to any whining, just go cry in your beer after i am done with ya. and if you beat me, good on ya but you wont here me crying about it. i will be finding out what i did wrong and fix it so it wont happen again. And i am smiling the whole time becuase i am having fun, in fact i am having a blast.
There was and is no such thing as a "Twink". While i recognize the reference, i am not a Twink. You lazy players wanna label me go for it. i have a World of Warcraft Character that has the BEST gear for their level, period.
Pamula Level 19 Cow Warrior of Spinebreaker.
I just got my WSG dagger and AB boots for my 29 Rogue in ... ONE DAY of heavy PvP.
Twinking isn't dead.
The revered stuff is no good at 60 (especially compared to the r14 weapons now available pretty easily) so don't worry too much. You should have seen the change coming (you know - since it was well announced). Personally, a week before the patch, I was paranoid that the patch was coming so I stayed up until 7am on my then-19 Rogue, got over 2000 rep w/ WSG (in a PuG that's a LOT) and bought my rings and necks for 19,29,39,49 and 59.
Twinking has also received a major boost in that you can no PvP freely, getting the full benefit of the time you put in without gaining any exp.
My goal personally is to enjoy the L29 bracket until I'm bored, bank lots of marks, and then level up to 60 as fast as possible - using extra marks and honor to get new weapons at 38/48 and then aiming for a GM weapon while grinding AV in the 50s. My goal is 85 of each WSG and AB marks - and so far after buying my gear, I have 4 WSG marks and 11 AB...
If you think twinking is dead in any way, you're wrong. Whether it's a perma-19/29 or a have-some-fun-on-my-way-up twink like mine, the sport of decking out your character and enjoying BGs is FAR from dead.
Jordster wrote:
Twinking isn't dead.
It may not be dead, but it is completely out of style. The latest designs from Prague are in, white is the new BoE blue. You may win every BG Jord, but who cares if you're not hip?
I'm pretty sure grey will be in next, I saw this one guy totally decked on in it in BG, he was SOOO faboo! I'm super serial guys!
Allegory wrote:
Jordster wrote:
Twinking isn't dead.
It may not be dead, but it is completely out of style. The latest designs from Prague are in, white is the new BoE blue. You may win every BG Jord, but who cares if you're not hip?
I'm pretty sure grey will be in next, I saw this one guy totally decked on in it in BG, he was SOOO faboo! I'm super serial guys!
I was expecting something to make me angry but all you did was make me chuckly quietly to myself?
You failed me Al... You really failed me.
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I was expecting something to make me angry but all you did was make me chuckly quietly to myself?
You had me at "faboo" Al... You had me at "faboo".
You had me at "faboo" Al... You had me at "faboo".
FTFY
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No Grah,
You leveled one or several toons to 60. You then use your level 60 to gather cash and Item....notably enchants. You placed them on a twink and owned.
Yes, you optimized....but that 50% player is probably someone who doesn't have a lvl 60 to feed gold to the twink. If we all had that it would be easy to generate twinks with just a few days of farming.
Besides, what makes a twink great is NOT the items, but the enchants. Take a green or white item and put Fiery or Crusader on it and you will still own in the 19 WSG.
I'd die of shock if there was a lvl 19 twink that was a solo character on a server.
You leveled one or several toons to 60. You then use your level 60 to gather cash and Item....notably enchants. You placed them on a twink and owned.
Yes, you optimized....but that 50% player is probably someone who doesn't have a lvl 60 to feed gold to the twink. If we all had that it would be easy to generate twinks with just a few days of farming.
Besides, what makes a twink great is NOT the items, but the enchants. Take a green or white item and put Fiery or Crusader on it and you will still own in the 19 WSG.
I'd die of shock if there was a lvl 19 twink that was a solo character on a server.
The ability to kill people quickly and go on a roll without dieing is exhilirating and gets my adrenaline flowing. I twink for the pure fun of it.
JonZac wrote:
Besides, what makes a twink great is NOT the items, but the enchants. Take a green or white item and put Fiery or Crusader on it and you will still own in the 19 WSG.
OH RLY?
You're wrong. A Cruel Barb x2 setup > any white/grey w/ any enchant, and just as good as a 19 green sword of the Monkey w/ Crusader.
Oh. And Cruel Barbs are free. Just make some friends. Either find generous friends, or offer to trade services - you run their alt and they run yours.
Blah blah blah, twink, anti-twink, doesn't matter, you're both wrong in the others' eyes and frankly I don't much care.
I set a personal goal to reach Exalted with the Sentinels. Not for gear or anything like that, but just to have it. When I set the goal, I didn't know crap about the honor system or how it worked, I just wanted the reputation for it's own sake. I also wanted one of those cool titles beneath my name, just like everyone new to the game does. Grand Marshall Allaunder sounds much better than just plain Allaunder.
And that's gone. My two reasons for doing BGs are gone and replaced by something I don't have much use for at this time. Sure, getting the mount will be cheaper, but I'd rather spend the gold and get the damn title I was striving for to go with it. Now I'm stuck with Corporal or nothing for the rest of the time I play. Joy.
Edited, Dec 9th 2006 4:51am by Allaunder
I set a personal goal to reach Exalted with the Sentinels. Not for gear or anything like that, but just to have it. When I set the goal, I didn't know crap about the honor system or how it worked, I just wanted the reputation for it's own sake. I also wanted one of those cool titles beneath my name, just like everyone new to the game does. Grand Marshall Allaunder sounds much better than just plain Allaunder.
And that's gone. My two reasons for doing BGs are gone and replaced by something I don't have much use for at this time. Sure, getting the mount will be cheaper, but I'd rather spend the gold and get the damn title I was striving for to go with it. Now I'm stuck with Corporal or nothing for the rest of the time I play. Joy.
Edited, Dec 9th 2006 4:51am by Allaunder
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I started twinking my level 19 rogue few weeks ago and was half way through friendly in rep when the patch came... after an initial shock I realized that that I have been able to get PvP faction items that would have taken me a fair few more weeks to get.
people who worked their way through high level of repute are justifiably annoyed with this rewamp..there is nothing wrong with that my mate who does BG with me is exalted with silverwing but now if he decides to level up he cant get the epic items just via gold and this is the case with all... but to my humble opinion, the reputation has been only replaced by honor and if you still show the same patience and resilience these items will come to you easy just stack up the honor & tickets & use them as you move along or bank them for future use..... as a twink you still own the battle field, you are a joy to your side and a pain for the opposition.. no twinking is not dead.. anyone willing to spend time and effort is still being rewarded... the patch has not stopped you from getting the rare BoP items and getting the high level enchants on your gear.
the best thing that has come out of this patch that relates to PvP combat is that the patch has broken the back of these farmers who put the rare items on Ah for horrendous prices.. now you don’t worry about how much gold to make up to buy an item but you battle, which is the whole point... by linking the faction pvp items to honour, Blizzard has broken the monopoly of these shady organizations who employ people from china and eastern Europe to farm and put the items on AH for silly amounts… the money part of the game has taken over a fair bit of game content … you don’t hear people saying how much fun a certain instance, raid or battle was but how much did they have to pay to buy an item…
it is not a stock exchange it is a game and lets work together to keep it a game.
people who worked their way through high level of repute are justifiably annoyed with this rewamp..there is nothing wrong with that my mate who does BG with me is exalted with silverwing but now if he decides to level up he cant get the epic items just via gold and this is the case with all... but to my humble opinion, the reputation has been only replaced by honor and if you still show the same patience and resilience these items will come to you easy just stack up the honor & tickets & use them as you move along or bank them for future use..... as a twink you still own the battle field, you are a joy to your side and a pain for the opposition.. no twinking is not dead.. anyone willing to spend time and effort is still being rewarded... the patch has not stopped you from getting the rare BoP items and getting the high level enchants on your gear.
the best thing that has come out of this patch that relates to PvP combat is that the patch has broken the back of these farmers who put the rare items on Ah for horrendous prices.. now you don’t worry about how much gold to make up to buy an item but you battle, which is the whole point... by linking the faction pvp items to honour, Blizzard has broken the monopoly of these shady organizations who employ people from china and eastern Europe to farm and put the items on AH for silly amounts… the money part of the game has taken over a fair bit of game content … you don’t hear people saying how much fun a certain instance, raid or battle was but how much did they have to pay to buy an item…
it is not a stock exchange it is a game and lets work together to keep it a game.
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