How to tell when you need to change guildsFollow

With us you also get a bonus if you stayd the entire raid. And we even have a "stand by" DKP reward on wiping nights for people that stay online the entire raiding time, waiting for a spot, that havent gotten in.

Zero Sum is a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE system for any guild that is progressing on any kind of new content.*

* Note: This means that unless you've downed Kel'thuzad and don't plan on any kind of DKP system in place for the expansion, this includes you!

It has huge inherent limitations in rewarding players for coming to wipe nights (learning/progressing) and rewards players for showing up to the farming raids... and, frankly, that's the exact opposite of what you'd rather do. Our guild uses a single-round DKP bid system, in order from lowest DKP to highest DKP, and it works brilliantly. *shrug*

We have a point system that works like this:

You get points for showing up on time and ready for the raid
You get points for each boss kill
You get bonus points if it is the first time the guild has downed a boss.
You get points for the first time the guild attempts the boss but does not take it down.
You get points for sticking to the end.

You accumulate these points over raids.

You can lose these points for not attending raids (after 1 month of not raiding).

You use these points to bid on a drop. Using the points is an all or nothing proposition. You use all your points in the bid. IF you win, all of your points are reset to 0. This does not include the points for the current raid. After the raid is over, your accumulated points for the last raid are added to 0.

If non one who wants something has points (very rare event), it may be put to random or sharded at the Raid Leader's duscretion. Likewise, if no one bids on an item in the hopes that it will be offered up to random, it may be sharded. This encourages people to bid.

We feel this system has worked for us very well and encourages attendance and bidding. Our core raiding team has over 80% attendance rate with many of them over 90%.

Guests are tracked according to the same system and are treated equally but do not have access to our guild bank for shards and other miscellaneous drops (such as sands for BWL, etc.)

I can certainly see sharding things that people may need if it will encourage them to be more proactive in their raiding and more forthright in their activities.

a - got me on the cloak, this post was more of an afterthought to show that even though the purples get sharded, they're by no means going to waste.

b - i've read lots on warriors and tanking and stuff. the +2% threat is rarely mentioned as a viable option because +15 agi (with its inherent .75% crit bonus) offers increased threat from increased damage and rage, in addition to the .75% dodge and 30 armor. +2% threat is only for when you can't hold aggro with +15 agi.

c - last i heard, there were places that casters could stand and not get hit by the shadow flame at nef; they might have changed that. everyone in an ony raid "absolutely needs" a drakefire amulet because they're not getting into the instance without one, whereas you can still do the other 95% of bwl without an ony cloak. hence my word choice of "extremely recommeded." it's just semantics, but sometimes i am careful with my words.

ps - you might also need the ony cloak at vael... i can't remember >.<

Edited, Dec 8th 2006 8:53pm by axhed

This was an interesting read... I understood 10% of it.

*waves*

Hi, I would like to learn...what ever it is you are talking about.

Is there a how to raid guide somewhere, something one can learn about raiding.

I am a 55 Mage, my guild I guess you can define as a social/family type guild. A few 60's, mainly full of 50's and below. Nothing I have heard of about raid's or whatnot they are planning. I think the founding members are former raiders and have since abandoned such life styles.

Me personally, I haven't thought about it really I guess. Is raiding something I should learn about you think? I have planned on, with the new patch here and expansion coming, to earn myself the High Warlord gear through the new honor system once I get 60, and continue on with the game from there once the expansion hits.

Is all the raiding gear needed you think after the expansion? It seems like alot of work... man, I hate work. Thats why I play the game.^^

If there isn't a guid somewhere explaining all that you just talked about, would someone please go into some detail about it?

I don't know ow interested I would be in it, but on the same side, I would like to know all about it to see if indeed its something I should bother with.

Thanks in advance, and I will keep the questions coming as I think of them.

My guild bids start at 0 =D and if u have negative 10 or more then u cant raid =P. we have bank turn-in's and if u do 5-10man all guild then u can get extra dkp