Hunters completely useless??Follow

you want to talk about DPS? try a fire spec'd mage....crits over 4700. on a bear form druid...INSANE...hunters DPS compared to other classes has been smacked way down. my best crit (even after rapid killing proc'd) it was only 2403. nearly 1/2 the mage.

This is a post i made in another thread. I feel it belongs in here as well!


Infact hunters are getting a significant DPS boost. People who fail to see that have either a: Never raided on their hunter, and if they have they belong to the class Huntards(people with little or no understanding of hunters, attending raids to pick up loot, and doing same or less dmg as the main tank) B: never lvled a hunter to 60.

To do good dps with hunters today(yes its possible) requires enormous focus and potting(especially mana pots in long fights) taking advantage of slow weapons so that you use aimed shot as a free shot, and woving this into either a 9 or a 10 second cycle. To add to that, hunters doesnt scale very well with gear, and the itemisation is @#%^ed, meaning we take agility items, and agility items alone. Theres also the fact that Auto shot speed is affected by your weapon speed, so in order to maintain an effiecient aimed cycle, you must use slow weapons. The new aimed shot makes all weapon speeds look appealing.

Arcane shot today scales only with +dmg gear(which it only gains 46% from, due to it beeing an instant), and for the average joe hunter you will never see arcane shots above 500dmg. Now it scales with gear, and reports from the test servers say it crits for 1800 with good gear. Thats an instant ability, that with talents can be shot every 5 seconds. Ill trade that for the old aimed shot any day(if you need to ask, the new aim shot resets the autoshot timer when cast)

Come patch day however: Agility is now "nerfed" so that 1 agi=1rap. All hunter based items in the current game are changed to reflect this, by removing some agility and adding ranged attack power(the tier sets, prestors, barb of the sandreaver etc). DOnt forget that our agi to crit rate is changed from 51-32, so you wont loose much by the removed agi in your tier items(if youre wearing them)
In addition, by speccing Marksmanship you now open up the ability to get attack power from intellect, opening up a whole new erray of itemisation options.

Then there is the pet. Unless you specc 31 points in BM, your pet cant hold aggro very well, doesnt dish out good dmg(it dishes out more when youre 20-31 specc, but not anything to wet yourself over) and dies far to easy. Come patch day the pet now gets a base boost, meaning it hits harder, tanks better and has higher survivability. In addition to this, it scales with your gear. Yogi the bear suddenly got angry i say.

Now read this, and keep in mind that at lvl 62 we get steady shot, a 1.5 sec mini aimed shot, can you honestly say that hunters have been nerfed, rather than buffed?

Gratz to BLizzard. I think finally hunters will be a necesety to raids, other than the tedious tranq fights.

Look, some of the changes ARE nice, but unless you spec full marks your DPS will take a hit if it doesn't and then you WILL lose talents in other areas that you once had. We got nerfed. I think marks is awesome, I can run around WSG poppin off Arcane Shot and get over 1.2K crits with my gear blah blah blah.

But if you were a Surv Hunter you will lose DSP. I was able to keep my improved traps, but I totaly lost everything else I once had just to keep my DPS up to old levels. I had Deterance, Counterattack, Killer Instinct, and Lighting Reflexes pre patch on top of my Improved Trapping, I had to lose that just to retain my DPS.

NERF

You people are all just loving some of the new crap, seeing how nice a Marks build is on the BG where burst damage is king, but wait until you run into a Warlock that slaps 2 DoTs on you and you are sitting there with your thumb up your butt with 3/4 of your health gone and your mana burned to almost nothing trying to get him down. You better pray you crit.

I won't comment on Raiding yet cause it was pretty impossible to get started last night. But I'm wondering how my DPS will be in that situation.

Ok here was my old build and I had about 145DPS give or take and about a 13% Crit rate.

This is my new build that I am currently toying with.

With this build my DPS is at 151.1, so I gained about 6 DPS, BIG deal, and I NEVER had TRUESHOT and we also gained a new AotHawk that boots DPS. My crit rate went up 3% which is nice but not as nice as I would like to see.

Oh and if you didn't check yours, but my DPS with no talents active was 115, so I put 40 talent points for a crappy 36 DPS buff up????

Am I missing something here that you are all seeing and i'm not???

Edited, Dec 6th 2006 9:39am by Manon

Edited, Dec 6th 2006 9:40am by Manon

Here's my biggest problem with the change... most of the positive changes for hunters are only beneficial to end game/lvl 60+ hunters. New arrows don't do much for my level 20 Hunter. I don't see any changes to my gear either.

I'm sure it will all end well, but for those of us that just started playing a hunter, the class has been significantly nerfed.

I'm Glad the Chicken littles of WoW are still around.


At least wait until after world ends before you start tweaking. That way we don't have to hear it.

See this is where I think people differ here. Ask you and you say it is ok that my RaP gets nerfed if I put more spec into the Survival Tree.

I am not saying my RaP should be the same as a MM build Hunter, I am saying my RaP should have stayed where it was before the patch. A MM Hunter should have more power but that power added on to what we used to have.

Think about it for a sec. I put 41 points into MM and my DPS is only 6 better than what it used to be, I had no Trueshot Aura and no new AotHawk at lv60 before that.
If I went full Marks BEFORE the patch I would have had more DPS than I do now after the patch.

So answer me this, if this isn't a nerf, why would my 31 point talent Hunter have more DPS than my 41 Point Hunter?

I never said my Surv Hunter should be on par with a MM Hunter with DPS that is foolish. But I believe that if I spec the way I had it my DPS should be on par with what I used to have.

My goal is to make Survival just as powerful as a MM Hunter, I'll have to do it through gear somehow. Thanks for pointing somethings out for me. Overall I think we did get shafted a bit, but I'm really happy with the Beast tree and the new MM abilites. Just don't see the same love for Survival I guess.

Good Luck to ya in game. :)

Yeah unfortunatly all respecs do that. It really sucks to shell out an extra 10g for abilities but thats just the way it is.

It's not that expensive. Ever since the talent restructurings, skills gained from talents are cheap from trainers for all ranks.

Survival got nerfed hard (well at least LR did). The deep survival talents just aren't nearly as good as those in BM or MM. If you were BM or MM before the patch, you are likely pleased with the results. I have tested out deep marks and I love Silencing shot and the new arcane shot. It felt like playing with a brand new class. And with PvP gear easier to get (I didn't say easy, just easier), I expect MM get even better. With beast within, BM looked really tempting too. If you were deep survival, I would chose (and learn to like) either BM or MM until survival gets reviewed (it's needed). Use this as an opportunity to broaden your horizons. Who knows, you may like it.

If you aren't 60 yet, the changes were mostly neutral. If anything, you benefit from arcane shot becoming a useful ability. You can still solo stuff and do decent enough in BGs.

Edited, Dec 6th 2006 7:31pm by Kirsanov

My 3/45/3 hunter is hulked up more than ever. In raids I was always in the top 10 dps, and now i'm in the top 5. Full DS helps, but I actually came away with more rap. I relied on surefooted for +hit, but an accurascope made up the difference.

I miss deterrence & the stamina buff, but I love silencing shot in bg's. I'm very happy with the whole thing, and working on some GM weapons.

Sorry to everyone who is not having as much fun as I am.