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#27 Dec 04 2006 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
Tomec the Wise wrote:
please note that this isn't directly really at the op, but this was the proverbial straw that broke my back if you will

*puts on flame suit*

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No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.

Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.

I feel a bit better now, sorry for the rant.


I do agree with you somewhat but I'm more against those that use the healing mods to actually do all their work for them. They're very inefficient with their mana usage which really affects raids and whatnot :/
#28 Dec 04 2006 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't bother arguing with people who have obviously never even used the mod and think it's this magical cheat program that plays your character for you, or have never dealt with trying to cure more than five people at a time.

It's pointless.



QFT.

And can I get an AMEN?


Amen.

It is going to be a bit harder to decurse the raid, but there is a bright side. Most serious raiding will be with 25 mans now. Even though there are less decursers, it will seem like less of a chore to me anyway. And at least if people wanted to run old 40 mans, we would resist most of it anyway because of the level differential.
#29 Dec 05 2006 at 2:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Question: Exactly how is Decursive getting broken?

I know I've read that it is, but I could have sworn all that it won't be able to do for you now is cast the spell(once it's rewritten). That would mean it'll still give you notification and allow you to use it to target the debuffed person(which means you just have to add another step of hitting the actual spell). I understood the change is more focused on dealing with healing mods that nearly automate your healing(picking and casting the appropriate spells, etc), not decursive itself.

My thoughts:

When I heard that Decursive was getting broken, I decided to run a few raids/instances without it. Did one MC(start to finish), one ZG(All the priests except Panther), a Strat Undead, and a Scholo during that time.

It was in no way hard, but it was incredibly tedious. And I was main decurser on several MC boss fights(Gehennas, Shazz being the more important of the two).

Edited, Dec 5th 2006 4:03am by Poldaran
#30 Dec 05 2006 at 3:39 AM Rating: Decent
A) Chromaggus is going to be a huge pain in my ***.

B) It wont be long before someone else finds a way to make a new addon that does much of the same thing.
#31 Dec 05 2006 at 3:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Tomec the Wise wrote:
please note that this isn't directly really at the op, but this was the proverbial straw that broke my back if you will

*puts on flame suit*

L2Play

No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.

Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.

I feel a bit better now, sorry for the rant.


QFT

I have to agree as I have a 60 priest which I never used ANY healing mods at all and my guild has been into/through MC, BWL, AQ40, and the 20 man instance just fine. Does it make life easier to use Decursive sure, but my word now you are actually going to have to click the player/s picture then click the decurse button, that will just break the game. With Blizzard only having 25 man instances in TBC everyone should have time to learn how to decurse by theirself with out to many hickups.

I guess it is time to weed out the bad players.

Edited, Dec 5th 2006 6:55am by Diathon
#32 Dec 07 2006 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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*Goes digging through the pages to find this thread rather than open up yet another "ZOMG Decursive iz GONE!" thread*

Okay, so I get into a "discussion" with a friend of mine who is closing in on Ding-60 with her priest, and the point goes over to the change in Macro-Script that eliminates the functionality of Decursive. (That's something that seems to be missed by a lot of the detractors. They didn't target Decursvie specifically, despite all the Hype that's happened... it was the scripts that got changed, and Decursive and other mods that used the same script-concepts all stopped functioning simultaneously). All of a sudden, it turns into a "Blizz f#$!ed us over and Blizz better find a way to fix it for us!"

Let me get this straight... is the whole "Community of Healers" shattered beyond recognition because of the lack of this Mod? I saw a Nef head in Orgrimarr (Aggramar server) when I logged in last night. Saw another one go up when I logged off, too. There probably will be a Nef head right alongside an Ony head when I log in again tonight.

When a change occurs in the game, I feel there are three choices. Adapt, Die, or just frakkin' quit.
#33 Dec 07 2006 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Question: Exactly how is Decursive getting broken?

I know I've read that it is, but I could have sworn all that it won't be able to do for you now is cast the spell(once it's rewritten). That would mean it'll still give you notification and allow you to use it to target the debuffed person(which means you just have to add another step of hitting the actual spell).


Sorry for breaking your bubble. The notification will remain possible, but not clickable. Since the character it links to has to be dynamic, it's not protected, and therefor not targetable. The CTRA group lists are not dynamic, and therefor are targetable.

Tshirtninja wrote:
It wont be long before someone else finds a way to make a new addon that does much of the same thing.


It will be, since the addon itself is not broken, but the features the addon requires are. Blizzard simply no longer provides the features these kind of addons need. As for someone else, I heard the guy that made Decursive is going to continue on it, even though he can only work in a notification type of way.

By the way, what would still be possible is a grid of 40 buttons, each linked to 1 person in the raid. If a person gets affected by a curse, that person's button becomes highlighted, and you just need to click on it to remove that person's curse. Buttons can be transparant the rest of the time. For Priests and Druids, 2 grids would be needed, 1 for each thing they can dispell. For Paladins, 1 will do just fine, since it's the same spell for all debuffs.

But the default CTRA could do almost the same. The way I had stuff set up I just had to hover my mouse over a CTRA frame and press the key for a spell and then cast that spell in my spellbar on that person without actually selecting that person. This mouseover casting is still possible.

You can set CTRA up so that on default most healthbars are nearly transparant and become way brighter when people start to take damage. In addition, you can give the background a specific color if that person is affected by a certain debuff. Visual aids will remain to tell you where focus is needed. You'll just have to perform the actions yourself.

Have no problems keeping up 38 people @ twins by myself, with all the other healers focussing on the other 2 people, without any addons that automatically direct my healing spells.

Edited, Dec 7th 2006 4:27pm by ThelsDeKwant
#34 Dec 07 2006 at 7:29 AM Rating: Default
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Edited, Dec 7th 2006 10:33am by xarxes
#35 Dec 07 2006 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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The only thing this will do is force people to be more responsible to the raid. I know I have spent entire Luci fights doing nothing but spamming my decurse button because no one else was picking up the slack.
#37 Dec 07 2006 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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thailfi wrote:
The only thing this will do is force people to be more responsible to the raid. I know I have spent entire Luci fights doing nothing but spamming my decurse button because no one else was picking up the slack.


How? If they werent responsible enough to press one button over and over why would they be responsible enough to target>cleanse? lol

That's what Damage Meter's is for, well the curing meter included with it. :)

At the end of our raids we'd have people posting the Damage Meters and the Healing Meters.

Us pallies would post our curing meters and /flex teh e-peens. Then get lold at.

Nice guide to let you know who is/isnt curing though. Then you can kick em in the e-nuts.
#38 Dec 07 2006 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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LOL. You are right about that. I think damage meters are bad for raids and I still find myself smiling when I up near the top.

The only way that would work is if the raid leader told priest x that mage y was responsible for decursing him and priest x yelled yelled when he wasn't getting cured. It would be a nice change for priest x. I am sure that no matter how good the priest is, he has heard his fair share of complaints only the complaints against him usually are not justified.
#39 Dec 07 2006 at 12:18 PM Rating: Default
well...you can always d/l RDX. Then make a tank window for tanks and just click and heal then do the same for the rest of the raid. Takes ppl off the list after they are cured from a status affect and when they are at 100% health..very useful
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