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I'll miss you, ol' buddy.
please note that this isn't directly really at the op, but this was the proverbial straw that broke my back if you will
*puts on flame suit*
L2Play
No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.
Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.
I feel a bit better now, sorry for the rant.
*puts on flame suit*
L2Play
No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.
Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.
I feel a bit better now, sorry for the rant.
No! Now this thread will degenerate into a mess of people ranting about how Decursive is blah blah blah and other people saying Decursive ISN'T blah blah blah.
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Decursive is blah blah blah
no honestly i really love the tool, but i did decurse back in the days without decursive in mc and somehow we managed. but with decursive gone i fear that some encounter will turn into some mad hand-eye-point-click action.
no honestly i really love the tool, but i did decurse back in the days without decursive in mc and somehow we managed. but with decursive gone i fear that some encounter will turn into some mad hand-eye-point-click action.
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Yeah, I don't really need Decursive. It's just great for when I don't feel like paying attention.
Which is usually a lot of the time. :>
Note: I played FFX for almost two years. Decursing w/o Decursive isn't going to be tough compared to that.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2006 11:46pm by definatleynotjase
Which is usually a lot of the time. :>
Note: I played FFX for almost two years. Decursing w/o Decursive isn't going to be tough compared to that.
Edited, Dec 3rd 2006 11:46pm by definatleynotjase
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please note that this isn't directly really at the op, but this was the proverbial straw that broke my back if you will
*puts on flame suit*
L2Play
No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.
Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.
I feel a bit better now, sorry for the rant.
*puts on flame suit*
L2Play
No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.
Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.
I feel a bit better now, sorry for the rant.
You're a Hunter. Why do you even care?
Actually it will help players to lern2raid way faster since without decursive you must divide groups among decursers which are usually healers and the guild will learn from day 1 that cross-healin'-decursin' is bad, m'kay?
I think Decursive did more bad then good, it made players lazy and its hard to kick that "culture" out of youre guild when youre halfway BWL.
I think Decursive did more bad then good, it made players lazy and its hard to kick that "culture" out of youre guild when youre halfway BWL.
It's going to be interesting. I've never raided without decursive, so I'm going to have to "lern2play". In a sense it's good, because at the moment I'm hypocritical - I hate all the other healing add ons, I don't understand why people would use them...I tell myself that frantic cleansing is situational, so it's not cheating to use something to help me with that.
I am scared, particularly after experiencing the madness of cleansing that is the bug trio in AQ40, but hey, it'll be a learning curve...
I am scared, particularly after experiencing the madness of cleansing that is the bug trio in AQ40, but hey, it'll be a learning curve...
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In my opinion cross-healing/decursing is not a particular pain, I use PRaid anyway so its easy enough to see if someone is affected by Magic that I can cure, and I use clicque so all I need to do it bind Dispel Magic to a mouse combo, much like my heals are and there ya go... click them and its gone. It still requires the same number of clicks as Decursive did only you actually have to pay attention to who actually has the debuff. It was slightly different to use Remove Curse but back then I was still using CTRA as my main raid overview, so bulky ^_^'
Cross-healing or Decursing is only a problem if you aren't paying attention to where everyone is in relation to you and for most of the fights that require mass decursing you are usually either in a big mass of people or you are in a designated group anyway.
Just my input =)
Cross-healing or Decursing is only a problem if you aren't paying attention to where everyone is in relation to you and for most of the fights that require mass decursing you are usually either in a big mass of people or you are in a designated group anyway.
Just my input =)
I have never, ever, EVER used a healing mod and I consistently get told that I'm a great healer, even in the dreaded PUGs. I just do not understand what is so hard about choosing the right healing spell or knowing when someone has a disease/curse on them and how to remove it. It's not rocket science and people that use those to play their characters for them are in for a big suprise when they find out they don't know jack about how to play their healers come tomorrow. I agree many are going to have to "L2P" a healer. It's about damn time too. To me, things like Decursive are exactly the same as the WoWGlide program; people are so hypocritical when their cheating benefits them.
Xaltinye wrote:
I have never, ever, EVER used a healing mod and I consistently get told that I'm a great healer, even in the dreaded PUGs. I just do not understand what is so hard about choosing the right healing spell or knowing when someone has a disease/curse on them and how to remove it. It's not rocket science and people that use those to play their characters for them are in for a big suprise when they find out they don't know jack about how to play their healers come tomorrow. I agree many are going to have to "L2P" a healer. It's about damn time too. To me, things like Decursive are exactly the same as the WoWGlide program; people are so hypocritical when their cheating benefits them.
o.O
Decursive takes a boring, crappy job and makes it much less annoying.
You know what pallies do in MC? cleanse. and cleanse more. and cleanse more.
while doing that we toss out FoLs where needed and keep the judgements up. But priority is cleanse cleanse cleanse.
id rather press one button a million times than select the player with my mouse and then cleanse.
It's really just a matter of convenience and I love that mod to death because of it.
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I have never, ever, EVER used a healing mod and I consistently get told that I'm a great healer, even in the dreaded PUGs. I just do not understand what is so hard about choosing the right healing spell or knowing when someone has a disease/curse on them and how to remove it. It's not rocket science and people that use those to play their characters for them are in for a big suprise when they find out they don't know jack about how to play their healers come tomorrow. I agree many are going to have to "L2P" a healer. It's about damn time too. To me, things like Decursive are exactly the same as the WoWGlide program; people are so hypocritical when their cheating benefits them.
QFT.
Don't want to worry about decursing? Here, download Decursive.
Don't want to worry about watching your DPS and not getting agro? Here, get your guild to download a threat meter.
Etc.. etc..
I'll miss it... but I'll also get over it. If I understand correctly, travesties like Lucifron and Chromaggus will not be happening in the expansion.
I can understand people's dislike of Decursive I guess, but saying it's the same as WoWGlider is pretty stupid. When Decursive allows me to go AFK during a raid while it runs me through the instance decursing and nuking without me being at the keyboard, let me know. Until then, please stop making silly comparisons just because you don't like a certain mod. It makes you look ridiculous.
Will I manage without Decursive? Sure I will. It just means I have to fill up my screen with health bars and do one or two extra movements with my mouse. Decursive merely took the tedium out of certain encounters, it by no means trivialized them at least from a Mage standpoint.
Will I manage without Decursive? Sure I will. It just means I have to fill up my screen with health bars and do one or two extra movements with my mouse. Decursive merely took the tedium out of certain encounters, it by no means trivialized them at least from a Mage standpoint.
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You're a Hunter. Why do you even care?
This is what tomec is mad about:
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No offense, but i'm SICK of people who are talking about how decursive will be going the way of the dinosaurs as if it was new news, or that they are going to miss it, or complaining about how they don't know what their going to do without it.
Sick of people complaining, I certainly agree.
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Guess what, it's been announced for quite some time now, not to mention that people have done instances without for quite some time before was even made. If you haven't bothered to make some changes to get around this loss, like making macros to target and/or cast, or using various UI elements and actually watching debuffs (which is MUCH easier in WoW then some other games) then you deserve to have a hard time. Sure it wont be as quick removing things now, does that mean it is imposible? Nope.
Yup, true - got that one right.
If blizzard thought decursive was fair, they would have kept it.
Its not tomec's choice, they just agree with blizzard for their choice.
Im a hunter, but guess what, i got a healer as my alt! Do i use decursive, nope, will i miss it, nope.
Will die because a priest doesnt have it anymore, yup. Big loss.
I guess I can see your point, but ranting and gloating about the loss of a tool seems childish to me, whether you liked it or not. I'm certainly not gloating or ranting about the complaining concerning rage normalization or the loss of the famous fd/trap macro (as if that took "skill"), but everyone seems to be tooting their horns concerning the loss of Decursive, as if you couldn't tell if someone was a crappy healer even if they did rely on a mod.
To me, Decursive made a particular function easier to execute. Why would I not want something that made my job easier?
Having said that, I will not QQ over the loss of the tool. I'll adjust and figure out a new strategy with the other healers/mages.
As long as there is a good built-in way to keep an eye on people's buffs/debuffs, I think we'll all be OK.
Having said that, I will not QQ over the loss of the tool. I'll adjust and figure out a new strategy with the other healers/mages.
As long as there is a good built-in way to keep an eye on people's buffs/debuffs, I think we'll all be OK.
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as if you couldn't tell if someone was a crappy healer even if they did rely on a mod.
thats exactly it!
Lets all just face the fact, its gonna take these people weeks/months to L2Heal again. But thats not our problem, entirely.
If your really all that worried that your priest was using decursive previously, its just that easy to ask "Can you heal now without decursive?" and the answer is anything less than acceptable. Then find another priest.
Sorry healers, I feel for you, every character is hard to learn to some extent, now its your turn.
lauisifer wrote:
Lets all just face the fact, its gonna take these people weeks/months to L2Heal again. But thats not our problem, entirely.
I got to 60 and then some without Decursive. I never had a complaint about my healing, except when I obviously neglected duties because I spaced out or something.
Then I started raiding, i.e. MC. Decursive became required. You can call it a crutch but it's just a matter of fact that when 40 people get a debuff, Decursive allowed you a quick way to get rid of the debuff. It has nothing to do with how well I can heal you.
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Then I started raiding, i.e. MC. Decursive became required. You can call it a crutch but it's just a matter of fact that when 40 people get a debuff, Decursive allowed you a quick way to get rid of the debuff. It has nothing to do with how well I can heal you.
Well yes and no,
People now will have to pay attention to what decursive did basically for you.
And in doing so takes some attention away from actually healing.
Or even better yet, lets not removed curses/poisons/ect and heal 10x more... Sweet.
Don't bother arguing with people who have obviously never even used the mod and think it's this magical cheat program that plays your character for you, or have never dealt with trying to cure more than five people at a time.
It's pointless.
As stated previously, people will adapt.
Edited, Dec 4th 2006 1:52pm by fnordicus
It's pointless.
As stated previously, people will adapt.
Edited, Dec 4th 2006 1:52pm by fnordicus
thermalnoise wrote:
lauisifer wrote:
Lets all just face the fact, its gonna take these people weeks/months to L2Heal again. But thats not our problem, entirely.
I got to 60 and then some without Decursive. I never had a complaint about my healing, except when I obviously neglected duties because I spaced out or something.
Then I started raiding, i.e. MC. Decursive became required. You can call it a crutch but it's just a matter of fact that when 40 people get a debuff, Decursive allowed you a quick way to get rid of the debuff. It has nothing to do with how well I can heal you.
Decursive was never required to beat any content.
MentalFrog wrote:
Decursive was never required to beat any content.
How bout "very darn handy" if you want to play semantics =)
Decursive is useful for fights like Noth where a single individual who is still cursed wipes the entire raid. Having 5-8 people spamming a single button is far easier than hoping they see all the curses in a limited frame. Is the fight doable without it? Certainly and people will still beat it. Is mass cursing a stupid raid mechanic that will certainly lead to wipes thanks to a single missed decurse? Yup.
The hope is that in the expansion Blizzard will diminish the mass curse/debuff mechanic of raids and institute mechanics that require intelligent and selective decursing, rather than mass button spamming.
As an aside, it is also a massive warlock buff in PVP ;)
The hope is that in the expansion Blizzard will diminish the mass curse/debuff mechanic of raids and institute mechanics that require intelligent and selective decursing, rather than mass button spamming.
As an aside, it is also a massive warlock buff in PVP ;)
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Don't bother arguing with people who have obviously never even used the mod and think it's this magical cheat program that plays your character for you, or have never dealt with trying to cure more than five people at a time.
It's pointless.
It's pointless.
QFT.
And can I get an AMEN?
lauisifer wrote:
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as if you couldn't tell if someone was a crappy healer even if they did rely on a mod.
thats exactly it!
Lets all just face the fact, its gonna take these people weeks/months to L2Heal again. But thats not our problem, entirely.
If your really all that worried that your priest was using decursive previously, its just that easy to ask "Can you heal now without decursive?" and the answer is anything less than acceptable. Then find another priest.
Sorry healers, I feel for you, every character is hard to learn to some extent, now its your turn.
Your repair bills will reflect this. As much as i dont care if its gone or stayes, this puts a strain on those who have used it since god knows when. Its easy to say L2Play when its not you. This as much your problem as it is the healers issues with learning how to heal without mods again. You cant heal yourself well due to your class lacking anything outside of FA to heal you, and well those people who used crutch mods to make things easier on them will be hit an miss on the healing.
Not everyone was a Pro healer that did things mod free. Theres a large % of them that are and were Mod dependant on healing you in raids or groups. You prolly will suffer more than they will. Everyone needs a healer regardless of how crappy they are.. not everyone needs a hunter or a rogue or a mage.
Its best to be a bit understanding with your healer while they adjust to relearning how to heal.
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