total ownage. allys suck!!!!Follow

lol ok so me and my freind are in alterac moutains. were both lvl 28. im a warrior and hes a mage. now were minding our own bussiness. when this lvl 35 nightelf hunter marks my friend. we were both split up so we could hide. he killed my friend. well i was hiding and he found me. so i thought. "if im going to die. im going down fighting!!! Now he sends his pet after me. i use intimdating shout so his pet gets off. i put retailtion on. i end up winning with 25% health left over. My friend was going nuts. saying i own. i told ny guild they were so proud of me and its an endgame guild so there like all 60. This shows i own and alliance sucks, lol we ended up camping them guy a few times and he runs away but tried ganking my friend again until he saw me.
Oh and if anyone says its dishonrable to camp. think about how many times you were camped.

Bulwip
~spinebreaker~

Wow, even with Retaliation up it's still tough to beat someone that far ahead of you, also that Hunter probably sucked and was undergeared too, but he still shoulda parried and/or dodged most of your attacks.

Ok /clap then lol.

haha nice
kinda similar thing happened to me. Me and one of my friends (i was lvl 35 troll mage, he 34 UD mage) where in Elwynn (i no wat ur thinkin, but his gf just made an account, wanted to mess with her lol) when a pair of 37 elves, one hunter, one warrior show up and catch us off guard. so begins the long track back from Eastvale logging to get our bodies back, and *surprise* they're camping our bodies. i tell my budy to try and res outa view, he was able to, i wasn't lol. I spawn with the usual half health and mana, and luckily they were facing the other way. I target the hunter and pyroblast him. immediately after, i do fireball, fireblast, cone of cold, and AE like crazy. Right before they got me, i killed the hunter, and I wait to release my spirit until my friend comes out from behind his tree and kills the warrior.
woot

Wesharait
DA HORDE

Edited, Dec 3rd 2006 4:56pm by daPiePie

Well, my 2 cents is that most of ally hunter's suck, and pretty badly too.

Since I started going to Bg's with my main, a Lock, i've started hating hunters to death, I don't know how many ******* times some dumb bloke playing a hunter just sent his pet cat at me and jammed his shot buttons till I was dead, seriously I think as a hunter there are many ocassions when the skill required to kill is equal to a chimpanzee's. Of course as I've gone through bg's i've learnt how to deal with hunters, and have learnt that most of them do basically SUCK a lot.
It's a lot easier when I've got a succubus but VW is my most usual pet for all ocassions so my play facing a hunter 1vs1 is usually: backing up near an obstacle and throwing my pet at him, he sends his pet cat at me and I run behind the obstacle where I fear his cat safe from concussive shots. Then one of 3 things happens: 1- He's stupid, he attacks my Vw, by the time he notices I am a destro warlock he is way too dead. 2- He chicken's out as soon as I land my first hit, wingclips my VW, aspect of cheetah's and scrams, if he forgets to wingclip he's dead meat. 3- He tries to play it out with his usual combo, suprisingly many of them seem to be completely dumbfounded by my ability to come inside their non-shot range and try to fight it out melee, which is basically useless, fear & death ensues.
Once in a while you'll find a smart one who'll strafe and back away from you making the kill more difficult but once the pet is feared in this scenario about 85-90% times I win.

Also, my brother started an orc huntress 2 weeks ago, got her well fairly well equipped for lvl 19, a Venomstrike and a Bohan's Fang too (no enchants tho). He has learnt to play SO much better than ANY alliance hunter's I've seen up to lvl 39, and he is absolutely thrilled as to how ******* easily he owns Warsong and how even super-enchanted twinks have an incredibly hard time taking him down. He has basically decided to leave his troll mage and make his huntress his main.

All of this goes to support my notion that hunter's are one of the easiest classes to play, and as such most hunter's have never developed much in the term's of real skill, especially when were talking about the over-abundant elf hunters who are so stupidly lame. I would find it surprising, not, to hear about an elf hunter being completely overtaken when his first (and seemingly only) combat strategy fails.

And oh yeah, I still hate hunter's ^_^ (and I'm gonna hate them even more since from what i've heard, in BC they are going to be ******* uber).

well if you can win by just randomly smashing buttons I congratulate you, you lucky *** ! I will point out however that most of us mere mortals need to think out our moves and react quickly to our enemies'.
Maybe YOU've got a uber gear with which you can kill anything with insta-cast spells, I as a destro Warlock cannot do that however uber my equipment may be, and as I have just hit lvl 43 I have not had a chance to use the so celebrated "IWIN-Death Coil" yet.

Keep giggling to yourself, maybe you'll manage to amuse me too :P

Edited, Dec 4th 2006 2:43pm by Azatodeth

Good hunters do not just mash buttons, and can kill average locks easily. Good locks can kill average hunters easily. It all depends on the player. I'm a hunter, and I am fairly sure i have killed, and been killed by every class in the game enough to say it all depends on how well you play our character, not on what your character is. Personally, the class i have the most trouble killing is shaman, and I would always rather face a lock.

Ok "Jappyhappy", are you really that retarded? ZOMG I KILED A LEVAL 35 ALLIENSE I OEWN YOU AL" yea, no. I've killed level 41 tauren warriors at lvl 34, and level 39 hunters at 33. Whoopety doo.

The most troublesome class for me is priest. Life drain is really annoying.

Locks/Mages I can deal with fairly quickly. Even with the 2k blast, I have enough to take them down (assuming I get the drop on them).

I do love facing pallies tho. Its always fun to kite em.

Ok first of all, you are basing all your knowledge of hunters on a level 19 hunter. There's many more talents and spells for him to learn.

Secondly,

It's pretty simple...dont step too close and they cant shoot you...:o

The following is a long rant to prove my skillful friend Fnordicus wrong (I'm bored and always ready to teach an old dog new tricks), you have been warned.

Yeah Fnordicus I kind of guessed you had a love-hate relationship with on-line dictionaries ^_^
Now I hope I don't have to link you up to what "example" means, i'll just say it's a sample out of a larger cathegory of things. As such, skill does not refer ONLY to an art or trade but can be pretty much be applied to any action or set of actions (that's part of why you've got 2 points to the definition, maybe if you looked at more dictionaries you'd know), AND it is something you can acquire through repetition and learning. Thus of course you can be more skilled at eating ramen with chopsticks than me, as I have never used chopsticks and I doubt I have any natural affinity to their use, it may not be something you'd brag about too much or which I would be ashamed of in turn, but it IS and/or CAN be called skill, rightfully.

I could make a scarce comparison with lets say, juggling. Imagine someone with one arm juggling 3 balls in perfect harmony (it is difficult but can be done), then another guy with both arms comes along and uses both to juggle 3 balls as well. Now from your arguments we could say that juggling 3 balls with both arms needs absolutely NO SKILL whatsoever, is it true ? NO, it is not true, and whatever you say it will never be so (at least in this universe). You could of course say it is much easier, juggling the three balls perfectly with only one hand will probably require much more in the terms of quickness, hand-eye coordination and such, suming it up, more skill in the matter at hand. Even if the skill required to juggle with both arms was almost infinitely smaller than juggling with one arm, to say the first requires no skill at all would nevertheless be an exaggeration or at the very least, capped by deafult (mathematical term, don't know if this is really the way you say it in english, but I'm sure you're able to get the gist of it).

Now, don't give me the "oh, so when I pick up a glass of water that's skillful is it?", because guess what ? It is. It is just something so absolutely natural you wouldn't naturally think of it as needing any type of skill to do it. But as it is you have been practicing picking up things all your life, however if you had not and where, lets say, incredibly strong and weren't accustomed to not putting too much pressure on the glass you could shatter it in your hand, which wouldn't be much of a "picking up" would it ? if you had somehow lost your thumb in an accident it'd probably be more difficult and as such, require more skill.


As for WoW, sure there's not a true balance throughout it, altought I think Blizz has always done a pretty good job on trying to make completely different options in their games quite balanced, like they did for SC, WCIII or to a lesser extent, Diablo II. And OF COURSE gear makes a great difference ! despite the PvP this is a (massive on-line...) ROLEPLAYING GAME, what the heck of a sense would it make for you to quest and kill monsters for hours to get a gear with which any newbie with gear they got themselves in 15 minutes could kick your *** easily ? well it wouldn't make any sense, if you want your possibilities of winning to be based solely on your "omg l33t sk!llz" go play an on-line shooter. We could describe skill here and almost universally as "the ability and knowledge required to do the right thing at the right time".

Now for an example on WoW, if I see a rogue running at me, I'll know as much as to immediatly send my pet to attack him, thus when he stealths my pet will soon unstealth him, he would then probably run at me trying to capture me in a stunlock, and I, of course, would start casting fear. So he comes at me, knowing how rogues work I can guess he'll try to gouge me, so when he's pretty near me and about to use gouge, flip, I turn my back to him. Of course his gouge wil fail and if he's not skillful enough a.k.a not quick enough or prepared for it he may not manage to stun me before I finish casting fear, so I'll have him running around like mad. Then, if he's a good player he'll probably have a key bound to his insignia and probably dispel fear before he goes far at all and turn back on me, but maybe he's not, and cant remember which hot key is is so he'll have to look around his cast bars and click on the insignia to use it and then maybe he's far enough for me to safely fear him again rendering the whole act useless. Of course I could be a terribly unskilled player and not stop my pet from attacking him as my first feared neared the cast and have my demon's hit dispel fear much earlier than would be expected. And of course I could have a wonderful +damage gear to aid me but if he had managed to stunlock me and was a good stunlock rogue I could've pretty much just sat back to watch me die (thinking about if I wasn't using succubus as my pet).
So as you can see, PvP in wow DOES require some skill, even if it's just good hand-eye coordination (which you may or may not have naturally) and a bundle of knowledge, which accounts for being ready, and knowing your options and which to choose in each situation.


Filosofically concluding Fnordicus:
Basically, keep in mind the sense in which you yourself use a word does not change the meaning of the word. Maybe the sense in which society uses the word can change it from its original sense, yet, however much you might change it the "meaning itself" will stay the same, as reality is not known to change to accomodate to people's view or understanding of it. (althought some religious sucka's would love that to back up their stupid dogmas)


P.D: Sorry for completely going off-topic here, Fnordicus had it coming tho, if he knew me he probably would have guessed it'd end like this. Anyways, when people change the topic to ranting about other crap it's usually because basically everything the thread was about has already been discussed so I guess it's just the natural way of things. Sorry again anyways.

Edited, Dec 5th 2006 4:04pm by Azatodeth

TLDR!

Just kidding, I read it and since you spent so much time writing that I suppose it would be the decent thing to do to reply even though as you stated you went completely off the beaten path. But, then again I did some of that myself, so I guess we're even.



I'm well aware of this, it was included as a jab at you for resorting to linking an online dictionary.



As an avid eater of sushi, why yes, I am skilled with using chopsticks!

Perhaps we can come to a middle ground if you will. I will admit that PvP in WoW is an example of a "skill" if you can admit that possessing any prowess at doing so is something that is hardly worth boasting about. As stated previously, I only responded with the disdain I had due to the nature of the thread. It's perfectly acceptable to enjoy defeating an opponent in WoW, but when you begin to use it as a yardstick (or in the case of the OP, a fingernail) to measure the length of your e-peen I must remind you that given time I'm quite certain a trained chimpanzee could do it.



I never said that it would make any sense to remove gear upgrades. It wouldn't work with the type of game that WoW is. What would be the point of going on 40 man raids if your reward was a stack of food and a green weapon? What would be the point of grinding reputation if the reward was a stack of water and a green breastplate? What would be the point of doing an irritatingly long quest if the.... eh, you get my point.

Let's step back a moment to the hallymage days of UO. Basically everyone was on equal footing, a halberd, the same suit of armor and the same spells (we are not going to account for vanq/invuls as the majority of people didn't risk losing them). The only difference was how many potions you carried with you. Victory in PvP was entirely dependent on your ability to time your spells, your hally whacks, your pot chugging and whether or not your opponent was one of the lucky few to have ISDN.

Certain classes are the bane of other classes. Certain specs are the bane of other specs. Two opponents, both equal in hand-eye coordination, gear and knowledge of their abilities can face each other and one can lose. Not because one was a better player than the other, but simply because of the class he chose.

I'm not saying you're wrong to enjoy it, I used to. My point is that excelling in it is nothing to boast about.



I would have to say that society would agree with me that beating your opponent in an online video game is hardly a skill, as society does not equal the various World of Warcraft forums which is about the only place where it would be.

As far as reality not changing to accommodate people's views or understandings, that's an entirely different matter and not one I wish to get into. Let's just say that I view that as incredibly ignorant. =)

As far as teaching this old dog new tricks, I'm only 29 man. Also, the next time I "have it coming" please make it slightly more difficult for me to form a retort. It is patch day after all, and I am bored.

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