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#1 Dec 01 2006 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default
I don't get it.

DAOC had it, UO had it, I'm sure AC and EQ had it. What gives? I know Warhammer is going to have it. I just think it would be a nice addition to really make yourself unique (especially when it comes to guilds) instead of some title floating above you. I'm not asking for armor dyes, just clothing. I really can't see how hard that could possible be.
#2 Dec 01 2006 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Wysh wrote:
I'm not asking for armor dyes, just clothing.


I thought we already had that in tuxedos, Pink shirts, Red blue green .. You name it.

WoW is already diverse with clothing options.

Wysh wrote:
I just think it would be a nice addition to really make yourself unique (especially when it comes to guilds)


Umm. Guild Tabards?

Edited for completeness.

Edited, Dec 1st 2006 6:38pm by Paracleets
#3 Dec 01 2006 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
Paracleets wrote:
Wysh wrote:
I'm not asking for armor dyes, just clothing.


I thought we already had that in tuxedos, Pink shirts, Red blue green .. You name it.

WoW is already diverse with clothing options.

Wysh wrote:
I just think it would be a nice addition to really make yourself unique (especially when it comes to guilds)


Umm. Guild Tabards?

Edited for completeness.

Edited, Dec 1st 2006 6:38pm by Paracleets


He means like "KKK" all-white guild clothes kind of "uniqueness".

However, I would like dyes for armors. Imagine changing Boots of the Shadow Flame to black, or making lol-adin Power Ranger armor look more fierce?
#4 Dec 01 2006 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The aregument I heard befor is "Cause everyone would dye thier gear black..."

I like the idea of dies. The more variables there are, the more I like it.

Lets pretend there is a "Troll Voodoo" man in every city. When you rolled your 60 rogue, you liked the way he looked... but after all this time, you decide,"I hate that he does not have a jaw... and the bald head is so over used. I wish he was more yellow than blue in color, ect"

So you go in and this NPC says that for 100 Gold, he will change you. (your options are just like on the character creation screen: you are the same race, gender, but the rest can be reset. Mabey its 1,000 Gold. I know people who would love to have "that one thing I decided I didnt like" changed.

I wish that there was dye for color clothes and armor. I wish there was 2 or 3 different housing options, with furniture ( mabey a new tradeskill) that players can produce. I wish we could change hair styles even...

At creation, why can we not pick the build, (say there is 3 available). Or even thier height? (again, 3 available would do it). I am so happy now that I am playing a Tauren mostley... They stand up straight. Why do all other Horde bend over so far. Could that be an option perhaps?

I love Blizz, and canot wait for the expansion. But I do wish there were a few more customizable options in game.



#5 Dec 01 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
I just want to have a moustache so i could dress up just like this dude:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper19.html
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper27.html
and the pic of him i use on my desktop:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/wallpaper42.html

But i still love Blizz
#6 Dec 01 2006 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Dyes shouldn't be took difficult. You can add dye-making to alchemy as a tradeskill if ever.

#7 Dec 01 2006 at 9:43 PM Rating: Decent
Blizzard has stated previously that it's technically not feasible. The WoW armor models look like crap in single colors, and multiple colors would be far too difficult to implement.
#8 Dec 01 2006 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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At creation, why can we not pick the build, (say there is 3 available). Or even thier height? (again, 3 available would do it). I am so happy now that I am playing a Tauren mostley... They stand up straight. Why do all other Horde bend over so far. Could that be an option perhaps?


Those things you mentioned could of easily put in. I actually wondered if it was due to the fact I've seen my friends' Human Warrior and I asked him why the hell he looks so small. I still can't figure out why Elves are so big either.
#9 Dec 01 2006 at 9:57 PM Rating: Default
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Blizzard has stated previously that it's technically not feasible. The WoW armor models look like crap in single colors, and multiple colors would be far too difficult to implement.


They really wouldn't have to make it one solid color. I would think they could actually "fade" it slightly into it..if that makes any sense. I think they're just lazy ;p

#10 Dec 02 2006 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Just say no to armor dyes.

Anyone remember rainbow Ogres in EQ after LoY was released?

Yeah.... no to dyes.
#11 Dec 02 2006 at 10:48 PM Rating: Decent
i want armor dyes...I'm sick of having my characters look like all fruity just because the items they have equipped have better stats than the ones that match the rest of the armor! i've got this ugly brown stuff on my mage and i want it pink!! lol. and OP, you forgot that Guild Wars had armor dyes as well.
#12 Dec 02 2006 at 11:02 PM Rating: Default
i was gona bring up guild wars if ncsoft or what ever there name is can have dyes working why can't wow they dont even make you pay so blizz must be better i think thats just a lame excuse
#13 Dec 03 2006 at 6:38 AM Rating: Default
Wysh wrote:
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Blizzard has stated previously that it's technically not feasible. The WoW armor models look like crap in single colors, and multiple colors would be far too difficult to implement.

They really wouldn't have to make it one solid color. I would think they could actually "fade" it slightly into it..if that makes any sense. I think they're just lazy ;p

I see. You get an answer to the question "Why exactly can't WoW implement dyes for clothing?", then turn around and say that they are wrong. IIRC, Blizz stated at the time that due to the way they implement ray-tracing and reflectance, they would need a different model for each new color. If you look into WoW, you will see that whenever the same basic model is used for a color change that there is, indeed, a different model. Each color will add in the same number of armor models as there are currently in the game. Since (expen$ive) graphics artists are necessary to make the changes, it is not feasable. Also, what would you rather have, new content or the ability to change the color of your armor? Dyeing will divert the graphics artists from creating content.
#14 Dec 03 2006 at 7:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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What Blizzard has actually said on the subject is that they want to preserve the uniqueness of the armor by maintaining its colors. PvP players, in particular, are able to pick out not only a player's class but how well geared they are simply by looking at the armor. Other players have something to look at and envy...but if you dye it all one color, are they really going to look at you just because you have big goofy pauldrons?
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#15 Dec 03 2006 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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What Blizzard has actually said on the subject is that they want to preserve the uniqueness of the armor by maintaining its colors. PvP players, in particular, are able to pick out not only a player's class but how well geared they are simply by looking at the armor. Other players have something to look at and envy...but if you dye it all one color, are they really going to look at you just because you have big goofy pauldrons?


That sounds like something the powers that be at Blizzard would say. It’s the same excuse they give for not allowing us to hide our shoulder armor. It’s most unfortunate.

Personally I think players should be able to throw on a full body cloak and completely hide their armor. There is just something wrong with the concept of walking up to someone and asking them to fill out a form telling you exactly how powerful their armor and weapons are before you engage them in combat. Especially when that person is supposed to be a mortal enemy. Blizzard already allows us to see each others levels. In my opinion, if you choose to attack someone you should take your chances.

To be honest, I don’t really care how Blizzard runs PvP. It’s an aspect of the game I have no interest in. However, their PvP decisions bleed over into PvE. I would very much like to have some control over how my character looks while also increasing his stats. But at present that’s impossible. One of three things tends to happen.

1) My character looks like he escaped from an exploding armor factory by way of an exploding paint factory.
2) I manage to put together a nice “set” of armor, but I outgrow most of it three levels later.
3) My character has reached the level cap and gets his class armor. He now looks like hundreds of other character of his class that have done the same. So much for diversity.

I understand that Blizzard’s art is too complex to simply dump other colors onto it. But there are other alternatives. For example, I put together a set of armor I really like at level 20. When I buy upgrades the game could allow me to apply those stats to my existing armor. I would still be questing for or buying new gear. I would still be using Blizzard’s original artwork. I would still have to attain the armor I like the looks of, so I could not get the high end look without first getting my hands on the gear and equipping it. Something like this would really only effect two things. First, I’d be happy because I could keep my character in armor that I like. But second, Blizzard would be unhappy because players could no longer tell what quality gear I have just by looking at it. Once again, PvP has ruined what could be a fun aspect of PvE.

I’m not bitter about it, just disappointed. Blizzard is trying to balance a game between a very large variety of tastes. To do so some sacrifices have to be made. It’s unfortunate that most of them seem to be on the PvE side, but that’s just the way it is.
#16 Dec 03 2006 at 4:59 PM Rating: Default
Theres no armor dye because there would be only full black players...and sum full white, and about 1-2 rainbow colored people on every server.
#17 Dec 03 2006 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
Wow, that's a really awesome idea Calabar, I would rate you up if I could.
#18 Dec 03 2006 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
I wish that we could change our head and facial hair.
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