I'm 16 years old and my parents have recently decided that I've been playing too much wow. This is a typical story, and many of my friends have the same problem with their parents. Except one thing-- my parents have gone to the extreme and have decided to steal my account. They are soon to change the parental control settings on my account so as to limit my play time without having to monitor it themselves.
This bothers me beacause I feel it is an intrusion on something that's mine. I pay for the game, I put my own time and effort into my character, and it has been something that has felt to be completely mine. I enjoy playing wow because my character is something I have complete control over. Since I'm still a minor I have complete control over very few things, and wow brings me to a place where I have the ability to choose my a actions.
Warcraft has always been a place where I can relax and not worry about other stressful events in my life, and my character has always been something that I feel is mine. I've worked on my character for the past year and a half and now my parents, without telling me, have "ninjad" my account. They sent in my birth certificate to prove I'm a minor. They proved they're my guardians and gained access to my account. The thing I can't stand about this isn't the fact that they will limit the time I spend on wow. It's the fact that they stole something that has felt like mine. They changed the account's email address, telephone numbers, etc, so it is now ultimately their account that I get the privelage of using when they choose to let me-- a concept that I feel is unfair.
Right now, I am considering two options. The first one is to just completely quit because I no longer enjoy playing now that my account isn't really mine. I would probably start a new MMORPG and be more cautious when making the account so as not to let this incident happen again.
My second option is to attempt to regain control over my account and prove to my parents that I have ultimate control over my life. The second option is currently not very feasible for me because I'm not computer-savvy enough to figure out how to regain my account.
If anybody has any advice and would like to help me I'd greatly appreciate it. I've been looking for some type of "password sniffer" that can detect what my parents type in when they change the parental controls. Unfortunately most of them don't work, or only work for Microsoft programs. I need something that can detect what password is being typed in on the encrypted pages that I can later view. I currently have Windows XP
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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austinlax wrote:
I'm 16 years old
austinlax wrote:
I pay for the game
No you don't. As much as you would like to feel that you are "in control" of your own life, you are not.
Blizzard makes you accept... wrote:
You represent that you are a 'natural person' who is over the age of eighteen (18) years old, or over the age of majority in the country where you are a citizen, and agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service (the "Account").
Bingo, bango.
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If anybody has any advice and would like to help me I'd greatly appreciate it. I've been looking for some type of "password sniffer" that can detect what my parents type in when they change the parental controls. Unfortunately most of them don't work, or only work for Microsoft programs. I need something that can detect what password is being typed in on the encrypted pages that I can later view
This is currently illegal in the United States. I am assuming you do not own your computer, because you are 16 years of age. Meaning, if you put a keylog software on the PC, you can be fined, and jailed for a certain amount of time. Fortunately for you, you will only face smaller charges because, and I stress this point, YOU ARE A MINOR. You have control over nothing but when you would like to go to the bathroom, and even that could be debated. Get over it.
austinlax mom wrote wrote:
I'm 36 years old and my child recently decided that he's been playing too little wow. This is a typical story, and many of my friends have the same problem with their children. Except one thing-- my child has gone to the extreme and I have decided to manage his account. I am soon to change the parental control settings on my childs account so as to limit his play time without having to monitor it myself.
This bothers me beacause I feel it is an intrusion on something that's mine. I pay for the child, I put my own time and effort into his character development, and he/she is something that I feel to be completely mine. I enjoy teaching my child and have complete control over his/her character development. Since he/she is minor I have complete control over every thing, and wow brings me to a place where I have the ability to choose my childs actions.
Child raising has always been a place where I can relax and not worry about other stressful events in my life, and my child has always been something that I feel is mine. I've worked on my child for the 16 years and now a game, without telling me, has "ninjad" my child. I sent in his/her birth certificate to prove he/she is a minor. I've provem I am the guardian and gained access to my childs account. The thing I can't stand about this isn't the fact that they limit the amount of time I have with my child but interfere with the moral code I am trying to instill in my family. It's the fact that they stole something that has felt like mine. I've changed the account's email address, telephone numbers, etc, so it is now ultimately my account that I get the privelage of using when I choose -- a concept that I feel is fair and will hopefully help his grades and self worth in our community.
This bothers me beacause I feel it is an intrusion on something that's mine. I pay for the child, I put my own time and effort into his character development, and he/she is something that I feel to be completely mine. I enjoy teaching my child and have complete control over his/her character development. Since he/she is minor I have complete control over every thing, and wow brings me to a place where I have the ability to choose my childs actions.
Child raising has always been a place where I can relax and not worry about other stressful events in my life, and my child has always been something that I feel is mine. I've worked on my child for the 16 years and now a game, without telling me, has "ninjad" my child. I sent in his/her birth certificate to prove he/she is a minor. I've provem I am the guardian and gained access to my childs account. The thing I can't stand about this isn't the fact that they limit the amount of time I have with my child but interfere with the moral code I am trying to instill in my family. It's the fact that they stole something that has felt like mine. I've changed the account's email address, telephone numbers, etc, so it is now ultimately my account that I get the privelage of using when I choose -- a concept that I feel is fair and will hopefully help his grades and self worth in our community.
Austin
Eventually you will be making the same decisions your parents just made. Don't be discouragred but accept the fact that they care that much about you. They could have ganked the account and deleted the game from the machine and silenced you from forum. Be honest with your self and understand they are trying to negotiate with you. They feel that making you better than them is what their mission in life is. Yeah I know being power leveled by your parents sucks but if they have put you on a quest line till you hit level 18 grind it out and enjoy the scenery. Who knows, twenty years from now you might just be using the same methods to power level your own level 16 child and using the game cheats they just taught you.
Believe me at level 47 I'm still being manipulated by my level 70 mother. First she had me using the toy typewriter now she has me surfing the net for a moving company. I've had her 600 miles away and now she's moving in for the holidays and taking an apartment around the corner.
Just next time your mom or dad tell you to do something remind them you are the one picking out the old folks home. Mom gets a one bedroom apartment with full kitchen and she's keeping her two cats. Nice trees around the place and wonderful neighbors, all because I reminded her it was a two way street when I was your age.
The point is Mom and Dad have just as much stress as you do. They have obligations as children and parents. Maybe it's time to ask them "How can I help?" instead of complaining about them. Even if it's just sitting on the couch and watching their favorite TV show.
This hardly qualifies as advice for me. I'm aware of those legal terms, but nobody really follows all the rules, do they? It's illegal to drink alcohol before you're 21, but honestly, who has their first drink on their 21st birthday? Blizzard states that it is illegal to sell accounts, but there are hundreds of accounts on sale at ebay right now. I know what you're saying is true, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I could tell. What we are basically pointing out is, you aren't going to get your help here, because you are young and irrational.
MYteddy wrote:
austinlax wrote:
I'm 16 years old
Austinlax wrote:
If anybody has any advice and would like to help me I'd greatly appreciate it. I've been looking for some type of "password sniffer" that can detect what my parents type in when they change the parental controls. Unfortunately most of them don't work, or only work for Microsoft programs. I need something that can detect what password is being typed in on the encrypted pages that I can later view
This is currently illegal in the United States. I am assuming you do not own your computer, because you are 16 years of age. Meaning, if you put a keylog software on the PC, you can be fined, and jailed for a certain amount of time. Fortunately for you, you will only face smaller charges because, and I stress this point, YOU ARE A MINOR. You have control over nothing but when you would like to go to the bathroom, and even that could be debated. Get over it.
More to the point is if I gave him advice on by-passing Nanny Gate I'd be circumventing his parents and could be making small rocks out of big rocks and I haven't met a 16 year old yet that makes that a viable option. I'll take freedom for the win and keep the jails supplied with jump suits.
austinlax wrote:
This hardly qualifies as advice for me. I'm aware of those legal terms, but nobody really follows all the rules, do they? It's illegal to drink alcohol before you're 21, but honestly, who has their first drink on their 21st birthday? Blizzard states that it is illegal to sell accounts, but there are hundreds of accounts on sale at ebay right now. I know what you're saying is true, but it's not what I'm looking for.
The problem isn't drinking prior to 21 it is getting caught and having me in a cell block for adults. You're asking us to supply you with the alcohol and you are not worth it.
Barrelhunter, Defender of Justice wrote:
austinlax wrote:
This hardly qualifies as advice for me. I'm aware of those legal terms, but nobody really follows all the rules, do they? It's illegal to drink alcohol before you're 21, but honestly, who has their first drink on their 21st birthday? Blizzard states that it is illegal to sell accounts, but there are hundreds of accounts on sale at ebay right now. I know what you're saying is true, but it's not what I'm looking for.
The problem isn't drinking prior to 21 it is getting caught and having me in a cell block for adults. You're asking us to supply you with the alcohol and you are not worth it.
That analogy (whether he gets it or not...) is probably the most accurate for this situation.
You're asking us to help you beat your parents... which, if they found out (and we actually did obviously), we could get in SERIOUS trouble.
Your parents obviously don't want you to play as much as you have been lately. Be lucky they are letting you play at all. Blizzard put in parental controls to the accounts for a reason... and I'm GLAD they did. Too often parents care less about their children's online time, what they are doing, ect. Look at all these stories we here about children meeting people online, then getting royally effed up (literally...) At least your parents care enough about you to, well care. You should be thankful for that, not trying to get around it.
In the end, this is between your parents and you. We can't help you any with what you're asking. You're asking us to tell you how do something that is illegal, and could land us in JAIL. Hacking (which is what you're talking about with wanting to install a keylogger on your PC) is pretty serious.
austinlax wrote:
I'm 16 years old and my parents have recently decided that I've been playing too much wow.
You are out of luck. You could sue for emancipation, but in general emancipation can happen only under a few circumstances:
1) You reach the age of majority.
2) You get married or enter the military.
3) Misconduct by a parent.
4) Your parents voluntarily give up control over you.
Of course, if you succeed, then you would have to move out of your home, and neither parent would be obligated to support you.
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Good luck!
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ohmikeghod the Venerable wrote:
Of course, if you succeed, then you would have to move out of your home, and neither parent would be obligated to support you.
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Good luck!
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Good luck!
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I lol'd.
Reading your post, I begin to get an understanding of why your parents might be acting as they are. You put forth an intelligent post. You obviously aren't a kid. But what the content of your post boils down to is: "My parents are mean and don't understand me so I'm going to get them back wah wah wah". That shows you still don't get it.
Maturity is not about age, it is about accepting responsibility and learning how to properly deal with situations that you don't like. Maybe your parents are treating you unfairly. Believe me, I understand completely that parents are far from always right.
But your solution to your problem is to revert to deception and, for lack of a better word, to steal, rather than facing the decision (even a bad one) like a man. That tells me there is still too much "kid" in you. How you deal with things like this are a direct reflection on what kind of person you are and what kind of person you will be.
Sadly, some people never get past this point. They end up being 40 year old teenagers, thinking they are rebels, but nothing could be farther from the truth. I'm not saying your parents are right. I'm saying now is the time for you to be better than them.
Take or leave my advice. It is no skin off my back. I'd just like to see more real adults in the world.
Maturity is not about age, it is about accepting responsibility and learning how to properly deal with situations that you don't like. Maybe your parents are treating you unfairly. Believe me, I understand completely that parents are far from always right.
But your solution to your problem is to revert to deception and, for lack of a better word, to steal, rather than facing the decision (even a bad one) like a man. That tells me there is still too much "kid" in you. How you deal with things like this are a direct reflection on what kind of person you are and what kind of person you will be.
Sadly, some people never get past this point. They end up being 40 year old teenagers, thinking they are rebels, but nothing could be farther from the truth. I'm not saying your parents are right. I'm saying now is the time for you to be better than them.
Take or leave my advice. It is no skin off my back. I'd just like to see more real adults in the world.
Well said Jantis. Well said.
I'm going to jump on the "You should be glad your parents care about you" bandwagon. My husband used to work at an anime rental store and I can't tell you how exasperated he'd get at the parents that came in with their children. Trying to explain to them about the rating system on the movies was met with a lot of hostility as they didn't want to be told how to do their job, and yet were letting their 10 year old watch movies full of graphic violence and rape because "cartoons are for kids". Then there was the one lady who'd drop her 12 year old son off at the store every day and leave him for 8 hours while she was at work during the summer.
You are DAMN lucky to have parents who care about your future and safety.
Try to see it from their side... how are your grades in school? How long do you play the game each day? How much time do you spend with your friends from school? Do you still participate in clubs and hobbies you used to enjoy? They are probably worried about you. Maybe you should talk with them and find out what their motivation is, and how you can get back in their good graces. Offering to compromise with them will show a good deal of maturity, and probably get you a little more control over when you can play.
You are DAMN lucky to have parents who care about your future and safety.
Try to see it from their side... how are your grades in school? How long do you play the game each day? How much time do you spend with your friends from school? Do you still participate in clubs and hobbies you used to enjoy? They are probably worried about you. Maybe you should talk with them and find out what their motivation is, and how you can get back in their good graces. Offering to compromise with them will show a good deal of maturity, and probably get you a little more control over when you can play.
Ok I am going to try and give you some advice. I hope you will atleast think about this.
First of all I can tell you that many parents would not have gone to the length your did unless the Teen is playing way too much. However I admit that there are parents out there who over react.
However your 16, so your still in school. If you play more than 2 hours a night (maybe 3 depending on the load of homework you have) then the actions of your parents are not completely mean.
What is your GPA at school? If it is above a 3.0 then great, however this is still no excuse to play the game for moure than I stated above.
Why? This leave you time to only go to school, do a little amount of homework/study and eat and then off to bed to repeat this daily.
Trust me when I say you will regret this. My brother while we were in high school was addicted to EQ. He played every free moment he had. He stayed up late to play and rushed home from school to get back in game. He played no sports dated very little and did not get great grades.
He regrets this soooo much now its not funny. He wishes he could go back and have a bit of glory in high school whether it be in sports, band, or perhaps drama. He just looks back and all he has is that he went graduated and played EQ.
Now I am no hypocrit. I played games in school, though all I played was football games and final fantasy 7. But I played football for 6 years. I was named all conference, all area, and even all state while I played varsity football. I had alot of glory that I can look back on. But I still regret spending too much time playing games and drinking and doing drugs. The drinking and drugs slowed me down and I never achieved my dream of playing college football. I also began to play more video games on my PC as I got into high school which meant I spent less time shooting hoops with friends. The result was that I was not in the physical shape needed to move into college. Sure I got some awards in high school, but it pains me to think about how great I would have been had I not spent soooo much time on games.
Games are fun. But if you dont spend atleast 1-2 hours a day out side shooting hoops, playing back yard football, soccer, running, or anything that might interest you I did not list, you are seriously missing out on being young.
It could be dance or drama or band dont allow the typical masciline (sp?) male to keep you from anything you enjoy.
Sure continue to play WoW with the rest of us, but also do more.
I work (at work atm but my job is at a desk and Im the boss hahahahaha), am married and have 2 children. Every day I make sure when I get home that I help my wife tidy up the house from the night before/that morning. I take the dog out and clean the litter box for the kitty. I play with my son while my wife normally cooks us a meal, though we do switch on this as I am a bit of a gourmet cook myself. When that is through I may log into WoW around 8 pm and play an hour or two before I head to bed to repeat this.
Some nights I dont play WoW because my two sons want to go outside and play, and I would feel bad to always force my wife to take them. My responsibilities are much much different from yours, but trust me when I say that WoW is not about leveling to 60 and getting leet gear. Its a game to have fun in, when you have time.
Sorry for the long post, but my regret, and the regret of my brother urges me to try and help a young person do things that will avoid regret later in life.
First of all I can tell you that many parents would not have gone to the length your did unless the Teen is playing way too much. However I admit that there are parents out there who over react.
However your 16, so your still in school. If you play more than 2 hours a night (maybe 3 depending on the load of homework you have) then the actions of your parents are not completely mean.
What is your GPA at school? If it is above a 3.0 then great, however this is still no excuse to play the game for moure than I stated above.
Why? This leave you time to only go to school, do a little amount of homework/study and eat and then off to bed to repeat this daily.
Trust me when I say you will regret this. My brother while we were in high school was addicted to EQ. He played every free moment he had. He stayed up late to play and rushed home from school to get back in game. He played no sports dated very little and did not get great grades.
He regrets this soooo much now its not funny. He wishes he could go back and have a bit of glory in high school whether it be in sports, band, or perhaps drama. He just looks back and all he has is that he went graduated and played EQ.
Now I am no hypocrit. I played games in school, though all I played was football games and final fantasy 7. But I played football for 6 years. I was named all conference, all area, and even all state while I played varsity football. I had alot of glory that I can look back on. But I still regret spending too much time playing games and drinking and doing drugs. The drinking and drugs slowed me down and I never achieved my dream of playing college football. I also began to play more video games on my PC as I got into high school which meant I spent less time shooting hoops with friends. The result was that I was not in the physical shape needed to move into college. Sure I got some awards in high school, but it pains me to think about how great I would have been had I not spent soooo much time on games.
Games are fun. But if you dont spend atleast 1-2 hours a day out side shooting hoops, playing back yard football, soccer, running, or anything that might interest you I did not list, you are seriously missing out on being young.
It could be dance or drama or band dont allow the typical masciline (sp?) male to keep you from anything you enjoy.
Sure continue to play WoW with the rest of us, but also do more.
I work (at work atm but my job is at a desk and Im the boss hahahahaha), am married and have 2 children. Every day I make sure when I get home that I help my wife tidy up the house from the night before/that morning. I take the dog out and clean the litter box for the kitty. I play with my son while my wife normally cooks us a meal, though we do switch on this as I am a bit of a gourmet cook myself. When that is through I may log into WoW around 8 pm and play an hour or two before I head to bed to repeat this.
Some nights I dont play WoW because my two sons want to go outside and play, and I would feel bad to always force my wife to take them. My responsibilities are much much different from yours, but trust me when I say that WoW is not about leveling to 60 and getting leet gear. Its a game to have fun in, when you have time.
Sorry for the long post, but my regret, and the regret of my brother urges me to try and help a young person do things that will avoid regret later in life.
As a parent who has had a very similar series of encounters with one of my children (I would be surprised if this is the first step taken by your parents), I am doubtful that you will get a response here that will seem encouraging to you. One of my sons wrecked a very fine piece of furniture trying to break into it to expose the family computer so he could play online games. He has cause me to have to replace a doorframe because he tried to pry open the door to the equipment room (we have a separate room for telecom and servers because I am such an IT goober and former CIO at a national law firm) in our house where I had implemented rules on the firewall that limited the time he could get out of the network.
There was nothing I could do to get him to understand that he had to take care of life's business before spending time in the virtual world. It is extremely important that you understand and integrate with the corporal world and the people with whom you have physical contact and proximity. This is where you live. This is where you must make a living. It is a matter of developing survival and coping skills.
Escaping to the virtual realm(s) is one coping mechanism that you employ and with which you are perhaps most comfortable, but I suspect it is not doing much to reduce your overall anxiety. Unfortuantely, this is because it is a retreat from what is going on in your life and those things are not going away. Those things are still there when you come back out from the virtual world. Thus, anxiety is not relieved and, many times, actually builds as the time spent in the virtual world may have exacerbated the problem(s) in the physical world.
I know you don't want to hear (read) this. I also figure that this is probably already been related to you, maybe by several different people in different ways. My hope in writing this is that you are able to identify with some of the things I've said and ask yourself if that is the way you want to live. Are you happy with the way things are going? From your post, it seems not. Then, ask yourself how it can be made better. You know that hacking the password will only make things worse because your parents will find out. Are you out to make things better for yourself or worse? Again, what will make things better?
Good luck to you.
There was nothing I could do to get him to understand that he had to take care of life's business before spending time in the virtual world. It is extremely important that you understand and integrate with the corporal world and the people with whom you have physical contact and proximity. This is where you live. This is where you must make a living. It is a matter of developing survival and coping skills.
Escaping to the virtual realm(s) is one coping mechanism that you employ and with which you are perhaps most comfortable, but I suspect it is not doing much to reduce your overall anxiety. Unfortuantely, this is because it is a retreat from what is going on in your life and those things are not going away. Those things are still there when you come back out from the virtual world. Thus, anxiety is not relieved and, many times, actually builds as the time spent in the virtual world may have exacerbated the problem(s) in the physical world.
I know you don't want to hear (read) this. I also figure that this is probably already been related to you, maybe by several different people in different ways. My hope in writing this is that you are able to identify with some of the things I've said and ask yourself if that is the way you want to live. Are you happy with the way things are going? From your post, it seems not. Then, ask yourself how it can be made better. You know that hacking the password will only make things worse because your parents will find out. Are you out to make things better for yourself or worse? Again, what will make things better?
Good luck to you.
have none of you ever been kids? I mean did so many people actually come out of the womb with this stick in their ***?
He's a kid. A parents job is to control the kid, a kids job is to fight back.
Anyone equating this to buying alcohol is just over reacting.
I would try something like this:
http://www.keyghost.com/products.htm
You can find things cheaper I'm sure but a quick google search found that one.
Once you get something like that, then just ask them if they can change the playtime to an earlier time so you can get to bed earlier, this will force them to sign in.
Now of course they will notice if you are playing anyway so for that you're on your own.
TBH if this post had been written in half leetspeak half dumb *** I would have responded differently, but he seems like a smart kid.
No you don't. As much as you would like to feel that you are "in control" of your own life, you are not.
how do you know he doesn't? he could be using gamecards or paying out of his own account through his parents CC. Your quoting of the TOS helps his arguemnt, his parents gave him permission to play obviously on the initial signup.
So rate me down if you want, but truthfully i'm the only one who answered his question instead of giving him a couple paragraphs on my interpretation of family life. None of us knows what his home situation is like so who are you all to dole out this advice?
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 8:59am PST by TseTsuo
He's a kid. A parents job is to control the kid, a kids job is to fight back.
Anyone equating this to buying alcohol is just over reacting.
I would try something like this:
http://www.keyghost.com/products.htm
You can find things cheaper I'm sure but a quick google search found that one.
Once you get something like that, then just ask them if they can change the playtime to an earlier time so you can get to bed earlier, this will force them to sign in.
Now of course they will notice if you are playing anyway so for that you're on your own.
TBH if this post had been written in half leetspeak half dumb *** I would have responded differently, but he seems like a smart kid.
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No you don't. As much as you would like to feel that you are "in control" of your own life, you are not.
how do you know he doesn't? he could be using gamecards or paying out of his own account through his parents CC. Your quoting of the TOS helps his arguemnt, his parents gave him permission to play obviously on the initial signup.
So rate me down if you want, but truthfully i'm the only one who answered his question instead of giving him a couple paragraphs on my interpretation of family life. None of us knows what his home situation is like so who are you all to dole out this advice?
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 8:59am PST by TseTsuo
TseTsuo the Wise wrote:
have none of you ever been kids? I mean did so many people actually come out of the womb with this stick in their ***?
He's a kid. A parents job is to control the kid, a kids job is to fight back.
Anyone equating this to buying alcohol is just over reacting.
He's a kid. A parents job is to control the kid, a kids job is to fight back.
Anyone equating this to buying alcohol is just over reacting.
I do remember being a kid. That's why I can't in good conscience help this kid. He's asking for help in violating their trust. I really couldn't do that, looking back at my own teenage years.
As to the buying alcohol reference, they're making said reference because he's also asking for help in at least pushing the boundaries on the law(unless he bought the computer with his own funds from his own job). It's similar to the alcohol thing in that, not in the necessary severity of it all.
You are right, tseTsuo, when you ask who are we to judge his home life. However, he asked for advice and we gave it to him. We also gave him reasons we would not help him. It is also the reason I asked him to ask himself some questions and formulate a response based on the answers.
You gave your opinion and your help which was freely available in any Internet search engine. I'm not sure why the OP did not do his own search on a friend's computer or one at shcool. I can only surmise that he was looking for some moral support for his wishes and thoughts. Though I cannot speak for anyone but myself, most responses are pretty similar, work with your parents. My particular response was based on the very similar appearance of this boy's post and my boy's actions. My advice is based on what I think to be a pretty good asssumption that their actions are based on some inner turmoil that could be relieved fi dealt with instead of circumventing.
It is a shame to see such a bright youth lost to what eventually degenerates to mindless button mashing. I like playing the game, but in the end, it doesn't get me anywhere and it won't get him anywhere either. It is entertainment, not a lifestyle.
hmmmm...the word "o u tward" changes upon posting to "cannotlinktod"
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:27am PST by Elflorn
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:28am PST by Elflorn
You gave your opinion and your help which was freely available in any Internet search engine. I'm not sure why the OP did not do his own search on a friend's computer or one at shcool. I can only surmise that he was looking for some moral support for his wishes and thoughts. Though I cannot speak for anyone but myself, most responses are pretty similar, work with your parents. My particular response was based on the very similar appearance of this boy's post and my boy's actions. My advice is based on what I think to be a pretty good asssumption that their actions are based on some inner turmoil that could be relieved fi dealt with instead of circumventing.
It is a shame to see such a bright youth lost to what eventually degenerates to mindless button mashing. I like playing the game, but in the end, it doesn't get me anywhere and it won't get him anywhere either. It is entertainment, not a lifestyle.
hmmmm...the word "o u tward" changes upon posting to "cannotlinktod"
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:27am PST by Elflorn
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:28am PST by Elflorn
Remembering being a kid doesn't equate to remembering being an idiot. I had plenty of friends when I was young do terribly stupid things, but just because I was a kid didn't mean I agreed with my friends when they did dumb things.
I guess you missed the parts of my reply about "Maybe your parents are treating you unfairly" and "Take or leave my advice". Or did you even really read them before determining we're all trying to preach?
I didn't claim to know his home life. I do, however, know what it's like to watch stupid people do stupid things. When I see people do stupid things, no matter what their age, I'll call them on it. Two stupid things certainly don't make either of them into smart things. None of the points in my post have anything to do with his home situation, so the advice I chose to dole out is applicable regardless of whether the OP is a spoiled crybaby or the parents are selfish jerks.
You want to give him the tools he wants? That's your business. But it doesn't mean your reply is right, and my reply is wrong. I missed the part in Alla's posting rules where my opinion is less viable than yours.
EDIT: fwiw, I don't know how other people are around here, but I don't rate people down for having a different opinion of me. In fact, I think the only people I've rated down are those spam-tards.
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:41am PST by Jantis
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So rate me down if you want, but truthfully i'm the only one who answered his question instead of giving him a couple paragraphs on my interpretation of family life. None of us knows what his home situation is like so who are you all to dole out this advice?
I guess you missed the parts of my reply about "Maybe your parents are treating you unfairly" and "Take or leave my advice". Or did you even really read them before determining we're all trying to preach?
I didn't claim to know his home life. I do, however, know what it's like to watch stupid people do stupid things. When I see people do stupid things, no matter what their age, I'll call them on it. Two stupid things certainly don't make either of them into smart things. None of the points in my post have anything to do with his home situation, so the advice I chose to dole out is applicable regardless of whether the OP is a spoiled crybaby or the parents are selfish jerks.
You want to give him the tools he wants? That's your business. But it doesn't mean your reply is right, and my reply is wrong. I missed the part in Alla's posting rules where my opinion is less viable than yours.
EDIT: fwiw, I don't know how other people are around here, but I don't rate people down for having a different opinion of me. In fact, I think the only people I've rated down are those spam-tards.
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 9:41am PST by Jantis
Well as long as you arent 18, or paying for this from your OWN earned money, (So not money you get from your parents)
you should just let it go, and play something else or whatever.
I'm pretty young myself being 19, and I know how much it sucks when you dont have any control over your life.
But you simply cant do anything against it, most of the parents out there in the world dont think that a kid like yourself can have rights, or anything.
Ninja-using your account is stupid, they will notice it, and if your parents are extreme they already have a keylogger on your comp. :P
You cant sit down to the game and forget your RL problems and just play, when you have to lookout for your parents, and fear that they ram in and compeltly seal off your account by freezing it.
But if its your money, that you have earned with a job or something, then you can sit down and talk with them about it, you can either way make them pay for it and you stay restricted, or make them let you play.
you should just let it go, and play something else or whatever.
I'm pretty young myself being 19, and I know how much it sucks when you dont have any control over your life.
But you simply cant do anything against it, most of the parents out there in the world dont think that a kid like yourself can have rights, or anything.
Ninja-using your account is stupid, they will notice it, and if your parents are extreme they already have a keylogger on your comp. :P
You cant sit down to the game and forget your RL problems and just play, when you have to lookout for your parents, and fear that they ram in and compeltly seal off your account by freezing it.
But if its your money, that you have earned with a job or something, then you can sit down and talk with them about it, you can either way make them pay for it and you stay restricted, or make them let you play.
Well, I have a major problem with your post, TseTsuo. Sometimes I agree with your PoV, but not this one. You're basically encouraging the delinquency of a minor. That sounds extreme, but even if only a little, you are. Just by giving the link to a keylogger, you're encouraging him to find a way to undermine his parents' decision to limit his gaming. Regardless of how he pays for it, he still lives under his parents' roof, and under their rules. By encouraging him, you're being irresponsible, in my opinion.
And yes, I remember being his age. I remember making a lot of stupid mistakes, all the while my parents were advising me against the course of action I was taking at the time. At times, they intervened on my behalf, and either confiscated something I should not have (or have access to), or grounded me to prevent me from hanging out and doing stupid things with other stupid kids. So, while you preach at everyone else for trying to give guidance on why he should not do something that would inevitably further damage his parents' trust in him, I'll give you the same line: what do you know about his home life that you have the right to help him break his parents' rules and decisions?
Don't lecture me about responsibility and rights. I've been there & done that. 99% of the time, my parents were absolutely correct in their decisions, and I learned through painful experience.
And yes, I remember being his age. I remember making a lot of stupid mistakes, all the while my parents were advising me against the course of action I was taking at the time. At times, they intervened on my behalf, and either confiscated something I should not have (or have access to), or grounded me to prevent me from hanging out and doing stupid things with other stupid kids. So, while you preach at everyone else for trying to give guidance on why he should not do something that would inevitably further damage his parents' trust in him, I'll give you the same line: what do you know about his home life that you have the right to help him break his parents' rules and decisions?
Don't lecture me about responsibility and rights. I've been there & done that. 99% of the time, my parents were absolutely correct in their decisions, and I learned through painful experience.
Wondroustremor the Flatulent wrote:
Don't lecture me about responsibility and rights. I've been there & done that. 99% of the time, my parents were absolutely correct in their decisions, and I learned through painful experience.
QFT.
TseTsuo, as many have already rebuked, you know nothing as well. You actual opinion leaves me to believe you aren't much older than the OP. Yes, parents are extremely "unfair" and maybe from your opinion they may be doing something they shouldn't, because it is inconvenient. The thing is,
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how do you know he doesn't? he could be using gamecards or paying out of his own account through his parents CC. Your quoting of the TOS helps his arguemnt, his parents gave him permission to play obviously on the initial signup.
Go actually read. Letting a child play on an account once, does not mean he has a lifetime of account usage. Parents have 100% control over his life in that house.
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A parents job is to control the kid, a kids job is to fight back.
Your view of this world is seriously misguided, and this furthers my suspition of your age. Hell, I don't even have kids and I know that I plan on raising my children in the same way my parents raised me. Why? Because I have reached a level of maturity that allows me to look back and see everything I did, and my parents reaction. Not ONCE was my mother wrong, and I love her for everything she has done, no matter how much I hated her for it at the time. My parents have made me ten times the person I could have been, even though I never agreed with them at times.
This thread delivers. seriously :)
I saw the parts where you speculated. Did you need read the part where I said none of us KNOW what his home life is like. Maybe he is beaten by his parents and his only escape is a couple of hours of WoW each night to escape the horrors.
I dunno what post you were reading but he wasn't asking for moral support he was asking how to get his password back.
thank you for not, but clearly people do.
I do not disagree with any of your statement. I look at it this way, if I ruin this kids life by giving him a way to play an extra hour of video games then it was already on a path downwards. It's not like I handed him a gun told him mr trigger likes it when you squeeze him.
absolutely nothing, which is why I just answered his question. I never said he should do this, I just gave him a method if he wanted to use it.
I'd say my post hardly qualifies as a lecture compared to the other literary works presented here, but have you been there and done that in his shoes? And if so you are hardly one to be scolding me if you're going around stealing peoples footwear.
If by rebuked you mean people repeated "listen to your parents no matter what" then I guess I have. Oh and I bolded the important part of that statement.
And I'm 26.
Well his sig implies he's played more than once and you can only control someone if they let you. And someone else controlling you 100% is how you become a mindless little clone unable to come up with your own thoughts, morals and opinions. Parents are there to guide you and keep you safe, not to rule over your life. TBH if the kid was 10 my response would be different. He's 16, probably driving and making lots of decisions on his own without his parents. It's time to cut the umbilical.
cool, good plan. I for one plan on taking a little from what my parents have taught me, a bit that I learned in school, a huge chunk from what I have personally experienced and combine that in with a little bit of sarcasm to keep him (or her) on their toes.
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 11:25am PST by TseTsuo
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I guess you missed the parts of my reply about "Maybe your parents are treating you unfairly" and "Take or leave my advice". Or did you even really read them before determining we're all trying to preach?
I saw the parts where you speculated. Did you need read the part where I said none of us KNOW what his home life is like. Maybe he is beaten by his parents and his only escape is a couple of hours of WoW each night to escape the horrors.
I dunno what post you were reading but he wasn't asking for moral support he was asking how to get his password back.
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EDIT: fwiw, I don't know how other people are around here, but I don't rate people down for having a different opinion of me.
thank you for not, but clearly people do.
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You're basically encouraging the delinquency of a minor. That sounds extreme, but even if only a little, you are. Just by giving the link to a keylogger, you're encouraging him to find a way to undermine his parents' decision to limit his gaming. Regardless of how he pays for it, he still lives under his parents' roof, and under their rules. By encouraging him, you're being irresponsible, in my opinion.
I do not disagree with any of your statement. I look at it this way, if I ruin this kids life by giving him a way to play an extra hour of video games then it was already on a path downwards. It's not like I handed him a gun told him mr trigger likes it when you squeeze him.
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what do you know about his home life that you have the right to help him break his parents' rules and decisions?
absolutely nothing, which is why I just answered his question. I never said he should do this, I just gave him a method if he wanted to use it.
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Don't lecture me about responsibility and rights. I've been there & done that. 99% of the time, my parents were absolutely correct in their decisions, and I learned through painful experience.
I'd say my post hardly qualifies as a lecture compared to the other literary works presented here, but have you been there and done that in his shoes? And if so you are hardly one to be scolding me if you're going around stealing peoples footwear.
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TseTsuo, as many have already rebuked, you know nothing as well. You actual opinion leaves me to believe you aren't much older than the OP.
If by rebuked you mean people repeated "listen to your parents no matter what" then I guess I have. Oh and I bolded the important part of that statement.
And I'm 26.
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Go actually read. Letting a child play on an account once, does not mean he has a lifetime of account usage. Parents have 100% control over his life in that house.
Well his sig implies he's played more than once and you can only control someone if they let you. And someone else controlling you 100% is how you become a mindless little clone unable to come up with your own thoughts, morals and opinions. Parents are there to guide you and keep you safe, not to rule over your life. TBH if the kid was 10 my response would be different. He's 16, probably driving and making lots of decisions on his own without his parents. It's time to cut the umbilical.
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Your view of this world is seriously misguided, and this furthers my suspition of your age. Hell, I don't even have kids and I know that I plan on raising my children in the same way my parents raised me. Why?
cool, good plan. I for one plan on taking a little from what my parents have taught me, a bit that I learned in school, a huge chunk from what I have personally experienced and combine that in with a little bit of sarcasm to keep him (or her) on their toes.
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 11:25am PST by TseTsuo
I posted what I did because I know soooo many ppl who wished they could go back and do things over. Games/sex/drugs/alchy are short term fun, just a warning from someone who would love to go back and do less of all that I listed.
less ... sex ? I'm certain you are one of very few people to make that statement.
Hell, might as well make it into an all out war.
How can you not understand that? I would say, the overall jist of my posts here have been that the OP is taking a bad path and does not know where this will take him. We are all warning him to not do this because, guess what, most of us probably have, and have regretted it. So, the OP does not know what he is doing... Many people have aggreed, not with me or at me, but agreed with my point read: rebuked. So, you know nothing as well. Because you are following the same little point of view and train of thought this OP has. I am glad the only thing you can fight back on is bad grammer. But first, there needs to be bad grammer.
Edit: To re-elaborate the points, and maybe shed light on what most of us are doing here I will inculde this.
I have done many stupid things in my life. From running into my friend ar 25mph and cracking my windshield, to lighting the middle of the highway on fire with wallpaper strippant. Now, if someone would ask me how to do one of these things, do you think, in good conscience, someone should tell him how to do said act? How is that moral? It is my responsibility of not only knowing the consequences and sharing this, but preventing someone else from making a big mistake.
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 11:32am PST by MYteddy
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TseTsuo, as many have already rebuked, you know nothing as well. You actual opinion leaves me to believe you aren't much older than the OP.
If by rebuked you mean people repeated "listen to your parents no matter what" then I guess I have. Oh and I bolded the important part of that statement.
TseTsuo, as many have already rebuked, you know nothing as well. You actual opinion leaves me to believe you aren't much older than the OP.
If by rebuked you mean people repeated "listen to your parents no matter what" then I guess I have. Oh and I bolded the important part of that statement.
How can you not understand that? I would say, the overall jist of my posts here have been that the OP is taking a bad path and does not know where this will take him. We are all warning him to not do this because, guess what, most of us probably have, and have regretted it. So, the OP does not know what he is doing... Many people have aggreed, not with me or at me, but agreed with my point read: rebuked. So, you know nothing as well. Because you are following the same little point of view and train of thought this OP has. I am glad the only thing you can fight back on is bad grammer. But first, there needs to be bad grammer.
Edit: To re-elaborate the points, and maybe shed light on what most of us are doing here I will inculde this.
I have done many stupid things in my life. From running into my friend ar 25mph and cracking my windshield, to lighting the middle of the highway on fire with wallpaper strippant. Now, if someone would ask me how to do one of these things, do you think, in good conscience, someone should tell him how to do said act? How is that moral? It is my responsibility of not only knowing the consequences and sharing this, but preventing someone else from making a big mistake.
Edited, Nov 9th 2006 at 11:32am PST by MYteddy
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