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#27 Feb 09 2005 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default
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How to solve stupid problem --

Open Firefox (Or IE if you're stupid). Head to thottbot.

Open WoW.

Alt-tab when you need some info.

Yay brains.

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#28 Feb 10 2005 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Chtulhu the Quick wrote:
Assuming that they don't do one, there are problems with:
2) Typing in the url. wow.allakhazam.com is harder to type than thottbot.com, and if they have to add /search.html or click on the search link, that's even more work. Can't shorten the URL, so if they want to use Alla, they have more work to do. Clicking on or extending the URL to the full filepath is still more work.


I type "wow" press down arrow press enter, look it's allakhazam! =D I would like to note that this is easier than the way I get to thottbot.com, type "thot" press down arrow, press enter. Obviously I do more work getting to thottbot than alla. =P

My point being, how hard can it be to type a few letters? How much energy does it really take? I mean I just typed all of this and haven't even broken a sweat yet! =D


Ahem...sorry about that, I'm really bored...anyway I just really don't see the point in boycotting anything as an individual ever, and if you want others to boycot thottbot you're most likely going to fail, since it's not hurting anyone to exist, and in fact all it does is help...never harm. Correct me if I'm wrong. =)
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#29 Feb 10 2005 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Excuse me for being retarded, but.....

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I type "wow" press down arrow press enter, look it's allakhazam! =D I would like to note that this is easier than the way I get to thottbot.com, type "thot" press down arrow, press enter. Obviously I do more work getting to thottbot than alla. =P


What do you mean? >.<
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#30 Feb 10 2005 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Haha. On the keyboard, press the down arrow key (located between the letters section and number pad section). =P

When you start typing in the address bar in your web browser does it not have a drop down menu of sites that you've been to beginning with those letters?
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#31 Feb 10 2005 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I dont find this to be to much of a big deal. They just happen to own the company that runs a resource site. They dont siphon gold from you or anything, they just keep a compiled list of item drops and the like. Its handy for when alla doesnt have the item listed or there is no listing for how to get it. I very seldomly use it, and will probably continue to use it sparesly in the future.

As to which is easier to get to...alla, cuz its my **** homepage.
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#32 Feb 10 2005 at 3:41 AM Rating: Decent
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i personaly feel very very violated.. ige i view as the enemy, and i view them as just as bad as chinese or any other sweatshop farmers.
the reason for that is because ige are doing the same thing, sure they arnt as agressive about it (possibly) but what they are still doing is wrong, against the sprit and moral of Earning things in the world. if you buy gold then you might as well buy a level 60 charicter. both ways your damageing the game and damageing your experance of WoW. because we all know.. theres no excuse for not haveing a charicter past at least 30 by now.
eventhe most casual of gamer can be satisfied with the leveling curve of WoW.
unless they are a spoilt brat (age has nothing to do with it) who just wants to throw their money around and make things happen fast.

my stance on in game currency buying has allways been pretty negative, less in Linage 2 since if you lost everything due to someone attacking you, you had to either buy adena, start again as a level 1, or scrounge money off friends.. and usally they are too busy struggleing with their own financial probs within that game to help. so it was either quit or buy adena.

#33Daggerwolf, Posted: Feb 10 2005 at 1:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) BS. IGE does not own Thott.
#34 Feb 10 2005 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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very informative, thank you.
#35 Feb 10 2005 at 4:39 PM Rating: Default
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Wait a minute..
Do you mean to tell me that your whole allegation of "conspiracy" is based on the fact that both companies have an office on the same floor of an office building that's at least 25 stories?

Sony and United Online have their technical support departments down the hall from one another... which one owns the other?

Sorry, but your trail of bread crumbs is a weak one. Weaker still is the allegation that using Thottbot or Cosmos is like supporting IGE. They don't get a penny from me, I don't even have data collection turned on. So what do they gain from me?
#36 Feb 15 2005 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
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Something else to chew on. eqprices is owned by IGE. They even have IGE ads all over their site. eqprices is registered to ogaming...Final nail in the coffin?

Registrant:
OGAMING NETWORK
Carnegie Tower
152 W. 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: EQPRICES.COM
Created on: 27-Jan-00
Expires on: 27-Jan-10
Last Updated on: 19-Jan-05

Administrative Contact:
BROYER, JM dns@ogaming.com
OGAMING NETWORK
Carnegie Tower
152 W. 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
United States
2122654900 Fax --
Technical Contact:
BROYER, JM dns@ogaming.com
OGAMING NETWORK
Carnegie Tower
152 W. 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
United States
2122654900 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.SITEPROTECT.COM
NS2.SITEPROTECT.COM
#37 Feb 15 2005 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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This is my first MMO (and I'm only two weeks into it at that). Who exactly is IGE and why is it that big of a deal?
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#40 Feb 15 2005 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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They are goldsellers, meaning they sell online dollars for real life money. At 1st glace they may seem harmless, but when games like FFXI have their economy ruined by their hands, you would think twice before saying "Who Cares"
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#41 Feb 15 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Further information:
My sources in New York have confirmed that there are only 3 suites per floor in the Carnegie Tower. On the 25th floor there are only 3 businesses.
IGE
Endeavor (a talent agency)
Freud Communications (PR/Ad agency).

IGE accepts mail for both Ogaming and IGE. It is the same suite.

#42 Feb 15 2005 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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This thread got linked on Slashdot. Heh.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/15/161219&tid=209&tid=158
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#43 Feb 15 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow, it's on the front page of /. and alla's not slashdotted yet. Go alla!! Better yet, this thread hasn't been overloaded by twinky eatting, mountain dew drinking, pointy headed, wienernet nerds. I still have that position firmly secured.

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Further information:
My sources in New York have confirmed that there are only 3 suites per floor in the Carnegie Tower. On the 25th floor there are only 3 businesses.
IGE
Endeavor (a talent agency)
Freud Communications (PR/Ad agency).

IGE accepts mail for both Ogaming and IGE. It is the same suite.


I'm going to be in manhattan this weekend and all of next week. Maybe I'll pay them a "visit" :)

Edited, Tue Feb 15 15:37:21 2005 by HalfEmpty
#44 Feb 15 2005 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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This is my first MMO (and I'm only two weeks into it at that). Who exactly is IGE and why is it that big of a deal?


Personally, my main concern with Ige is their business practices. Though I disapprove of gold-selling (mainly because it completely ruined FFXI, which is much more susceptible to such things than WoW), I feel that denouncing Ige just for that removes other reasons to dislike them.

I just did a google search for (sell gil FFXI) (used FFXI because again, it's more established and pronounced there), and looked at the search results. The first three sites that offered to sell accounts too had identical prices and the same account listed first on Unicorn. This suggests to me that those non-ige sites are just fronts for ige, whether by their intent, or the intent of the other site hosts. The sites I looked at were ige, virdaq, and mysupersales (posted for verification/clarification by people who know their way around hosting info etc. My check was quick and dirty). If these sites are seprate sites who are referring ige, not ige's fault. If they are in fact owned by ige, this suggests fradulent practices to cover up a monopoly.

I find Allakhazam's revalation of a buyout ttempt particularly interesting. Was this before or after they attempted to appear "sanctioned" by this site, by buying half (rough estimate) the ad space on your ad hoster?

So, having established ige's apparent policy of assimilating competition/advertising sources (pending verification), we have a better stance for referecing the selling practices themselves without relying on them solely to win the point.

As has been mentioned, many gil-sellers out there may or may not be directly employed by ige. However, ige acts as an enabler. Suppose gil-farming group X is completely on their own; they need to have a way of moving their gil, and in a market of many small groups, that means commpetition to get noticed. They probably cannot move that much gil, because any buyer will have to choose between them and the large number of people/sites/accounts like theirs.

Add in ige, a centralized site. To those who want to buy gil, ige becomes a go-to site, due to their size and advertising. Because of their ability to move gil, ige is willing and able to buy it from the farmers, allowing them to focus on harvesting, without worrying about how they'll profit from it. In this sense ige is indeed employing more gil-farmers than it may seem. This easy payoff allows gil-farming to flourish, causing the glut of gil-farmers currently seen on FFXI. This basically keeps regular players out of most of the profitable methods of making gil, forcing them to watch AH prices rise higher and higher, and face a difficult decision.

NOTE: I have used FFXI here because it is much more susceptible. WoW's binding of items, plus Diablo II-esque item system places less emphasis on having specific items (and those items that do have emphasis are usually BoP) and thus less emphasis on having the gold for those items. Instancing, and having profitable vendor trash, are also good steps against gil-selling. I do not believe we are completely immune, though.
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#45 Feb 16 2005 at 7:00 AM Rating: Default
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My brain Hurts now... the Rantings of Some do Flow over the heads of others..

As some have Asked "Whats IGN" and "Why are we worried" its simple everyones into someone elses Business heh "IGN is a Big Business thats Ruined several Online Games" but honestly isnt it more of the Players Ruining the game? reminds me of the Matrix where Smith is defining the Humans as a Virus well its True, we Destroy, Use up and Move on..... and only those willing to see the potential profits from this act survive! i spent a good 4 years on EQ it was an AWESOME game. then it got Boring.. mainly from all the Farmers and Braggarts and jerks. so i moved over to FFXI which i played for a month and felt it was lame.. next came City of Heroes where i got to relive my childhood and was able to Virtually Slide on the spandex and beat up the badguys with a vengance... now im on WoW... so from my long term MMO playtime i made my Virtual Money and Spent it all in a short time.. didnt use the Ebayed sites to get my cash.. earned it the honest way i guess you could say...

So what i learned is each game gets old eventually and you move on to the next one to get your gaming Fix... but do you have to Buy Virtual Money? nope.. Not a Dime outside of the Monthly Fee have i ever spent on the games... so if it wernt for us Gamers wanting the Quick cash there would be no business as powerful and hated as IGN.. right?

Not saying my little Rant is Corect in anyway.. just the View from my seat... were not all Sitting in the Same chair to begin with so thats where we can all disagree on why IGN is what it is

Firefox has a Neat little Plug in that turns off Banners and Ads... i like it..

Psst.. theres a new MMO comming out soon called Guildwars... FREE ONLINE PLAY! whats gonna happen then?

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#46 Feb 16 2005 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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MaztaCazta wrote:
My brain Hurts now... the Rantings of Some do Flow over the heads of others..

As some have Asked "Whats IGN" and "Why are we worried" its simple everyones into someone elses Business heh "IGN is a Big Business thats Ruined several Online Games" but honestly isnt it more of the Players Ruining the game? reminds me of the Matrix where Smith is defining the Humans as a Virus well its True, we Destroy, Use up and Move on..... and only those willing to see the potential profits from this act survive! i spent a good 4 years on EQ it was an AWESOME game. then it got Boring.. mainly from all the Farmers and Braggarts and jerks. so i moved over to FFXI which i played for a month and felt it was lame.. next came City of Heroes where i got to relive my childhood and was able to Virtually Slide on the spandex and beat up the badguys with a vengance... now im on WoW... so from my long term MMO playtime i made my Virtual Money and Spent it all in a short time.. didnt use the Ebayed sites to get my cash.. earned it the honest way i guess you could say...

So what i learned is each game gets old eventually and you move on to the next one to get your gaming Fix... but do you have to Buy Virtual Money? nope.. Not a Dime outside of the Monthly Fee have i ever spent on the games... so if it wernt for us Gamers wanting the Quick cash there would be no business as powerful and hated as IGN.. right?

Not saying my little Rant is Corect in anyway.. just the View from my seat... were not all Sitting in the Same chair to begin with so thats where we can all disagree on why IGN is what it is

Firefox has a Neat little Plug in that turns off Banners and Ads... i like it..

Psst.. theres a new MMO comming out soon called Guildwars... FREE ONLINE PLAY! whats gonna happen then?



IGN is not IGE
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MaztaCazta wrote:
Psst.. theres a new MMO comming out soon called Guildwars... FREE ONLINE PLAY! whats gonna happen then?



You'll probably go play that, and none of us will care really. Adios amigo!

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#49 Feb 16 2005 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure Cosmos is not owned by IGE. And the utility for uploading data to thottbot is cosmos. So we don't have anything to worry about them getting any information that won;t be used on Thottbot. The Cosmos team is not corrupt. So there is nothing bad about uploading thottbot data. You're not contributing to IGE at all. You are actually just taking away bandwidth which costs money, in turn taking away thier money.

It may be owned by IGE but I bet it's the same people behind it.

One other thing. IGE owning thottbot is actually a good thing. They are a big company and what not. They have the money to support the thott servers. So no more of those week data backups.

Edited, Wed Feb 16 11:05:35 2005 by Extabyte
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#50 Feb 16 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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over 300 000 sold copys in europe in the first weekend...
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.... Yea, we're talking about IGE.
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