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#1 Feb 09 2005 at 1:55 AM Rating: Good
If you donít want IGE collecting data about your gameplay (and who knows what else), read this.

1. IGE Owns the OGaming Network.

Letís take a look at the Whois data for Ogaming.com

Source: http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=ogaming.com&x=0&y=0

Registrant:
OGAMING NETWORK
152 W. 57th Street
Carnegie Hall Tower, 25th Fl
New York, New York 10019
United States

NS1.OGAMING.COM
NS8.ENTHROPIA.COM


If this address doesnít look familiar, let me refresh your memory.

Source: http://www.cannotlinkto/corporate.aspx?id=offices&lang=en
(insert "i g e . c o m" where it says "BANNED")

New York
IGE
Carnegie Hall Tower
25th Floor
152 W. 57th St.
New York, NY 10019

IGEís New York business address matches the registrantís address for Ogaming.com


2. The OGaming Network claims to own Thottbott.

Source: http://www.ogaming.com/data/2235~Advertise.php

ĒOur properties include OGaming.com, L2Orphus.com, Thottbot.com, Guild-Hall.net, Warcraftcentral.com, more than 30 targeted community sites as well as a vast array of online forums.Ē

3. Lets see Ė if you go to WoW OGaming and hover over World of Warcraft in their menu bar, it links to Thottbot

4. If we head over to Thottbot, and we check the links page (http://www.thottbot.com/?l=news) look who is the first link: WoW OGaming

5. Letís look a bit further. What about the Whois data for Thottbot?

Source: http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=thottbot.com&x=0&y=0


Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

NS1.THOTTBOT.NET
NS2.THOTTBOT.NET


Looks like someone wants to hide their identity.

6. Letís take a deeper look at the OGaming Network. If we look at the page source of http://wow.ogaming.com we see what looks like the OGaming Networkís ad server: http://ads.ogamingmedia.com

Letís see what Whois has to say about OGamingMedia.com.

Source: http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=ogamingmedia.com&x=0&y=0

Registrant:
OGAMING NETWORK
152 W. 57th Street
Carnegie Hall Tower, 25th Fl
New York, New York 10019
United States

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.THOTTBOT.NET
NS2.THOTTBOT.NET

Whoa! Itís pretty clear from the domain registration info that IGE owns the OGaming Network. The OGaming Network admittedly owns Thottbot.com. Now we have a direct connection between IGE and Thottbot.com.

7. Thoughts.

I donít know about you but I wonít be using the Thottbot Plugin for Cosmos anymore. Itís one thing to share my gameplay information with the gaming community but something completely different to be sharing it with a company involved in a business that is prohibited by Blizzard Entertainment. Who knows what other personal information they may be collecting with Thottbot that we donít know about. Who knows if IGE is manipulating/withholding Thottbot data for business purposes to better control the market. I donít think it be the first time IGE tried to manipulate a virtual worldís market?

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Edited, Wed Feb 9 01:56:12 2005 by AbyssalThroat
#2 Feb 09 2005 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
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If this were Eq I would be suprised if they wern't collecting data. But honeslty wow must have been a big dissapointemt for IGE the demand for gold seems to be exceptionally low and wow is taking action against exploiters so they can loose accounts as well. All in all I don't think wow will be a big moneymaker.
#3 Feb 09 2005 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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CT-mod for teh win!
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#4 Feb 09 2005 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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The game is pretty easy and people don't need money to rush a tradeskill or something.
Think this game is one that doesn't have a market for selling online gold.
#5 Feb 09 2005 at 2:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I personally don't trust to install any addon that sends data across the internet (including Wowreader).

It's bad enough that my inbox got full of spam since I signed up for an account here.

Oh, and OH MY GOD, my computer's clock may be off by a few seconds!!!
#6 Feb 09 2005 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
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You have to actually purposely send data to thottbot with cosmos. Just having the thottbot feature doesn't do this automatically.
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#7 Feb 09 2005 at 4:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Ya personally I just don't see IGE working here (THANK GOD), because it's not that hard to make some decent money.

As for the whole Cosmos and Thottbot sending data, I just blocked them both with my firewall.
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#8 Feb 09 2005 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Has this information been posted on the main forums? I'm sure a larger audience should be aware.

Edited, Wed Feb 9 10:38:53 2005 by HalfEmpty
#9 Feb 09 2005 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Interesting. I've know IGE owned Thottbot for quite a while now, but didn't want to post about it. I knew they were advertising on ogaming at one point, but didn't realize they had bought them outright. IGE tried to buy us a while ago and when we refused to have anything to do with them vowed to create a network to rival ours. Looks like they are on their way to doing so. I suggest you spread the word so others know about this too. I know people playing EQ2 would be interested in this info too.
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#10 Feb 09 2005 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Thought you would all be interested in my detailed investigation:
http://www.corpnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1790
#11 Feb 09 2005 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly... Who cares?


What are the reprecussions? What causes this to be an issue?

IGE buys from characters - The chinese farmers are not working for or having any transactions with IGE.

Honestly, I don't IGE is that bad of a company. Their owner is well known for those of you who played old RPGs. They really did do donations with that one bit a while back. They're not the ones behind the chinese gold farmers.

They do cause the economy imbalance, in a sense, but most people complain about the farmers, etc. They're working for the ebay companies.


"But the IGE customer service people are in Asia!" - They're in India. Everyone and their uncle outsource tech support and sales to India these days.

I'm not saying IGE is good - But they're not some child eating devils.


And even if they were - What does it matter? So they have a site where they can get ingame information from... Have you noticed the exact same information is available from Thott publicly, as well as on Allakhazam? Oh Noes! Remove all information that could be used for farming!


Advertising? I haven't noticed any IGE advertisements on Thott... or, rather, any advertisements at all. Thott being owned by OGaming is not news. It's been there for quite a while.


I honestly don't see what the issue is here. So they're working on rivaling Allakhazam. Thott's information is sparser, as well as having a tendancy to be more incorrect overall.

However, they continue to be more popular than Allakhazam for WoW.

I can see several reasons for this:

1) Ease of use. It is MUCH easier to use Thottbot to find information than Allakhazam. They even offer a firefox plugin that lets you search it where the google and other search engines reside.

2) Bigger name. Cosmos was used in the beta, and with its popularity, and attachment to Thottbot, it became well known. More people will have heard of it than they will have Allakhazam.



Those are the main reasons. If Alla wants to compete with them for the average gamer looking for information quickly, they need a way to search more quickly. Even as a member who supports Allah with a premium membership, when I'm looking for something as quickly as possible, it's more effecient to use Thott. A Firefox plugin would make me a convert instantly.

The UI thing would be interesting, if we could get a nice community mod going with features that rival that of Cosmos. Not needed, just more of an advertisement and name recognition deal.


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#12 Feb 09 2005 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you want to tell more people about it, post that on the official wow, eq and eq2 forums.
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#13 Feb 09 2005 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uh Chthlhu. http://wow.allakhazam.com/search.html
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#14 Feb 09 2005 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: lol

He's got you there....
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#15 Feb 09 2005 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly... Who cares?


I do

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I'm not saying IGE is good - But they're not some child eating devils.

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And even if they were - What does it matter? So they have a site where they can get ingame information from... Have you noticed the exact same information is available from Thott publicly, as well as on Allakhazam? Oh Noes! Remove all information that could be used for farming!



There's a pretty big gap between good and child eating devils. IMHO, they're a low-down, dirty, sneaky company that I don't wish to contribute to in any form. It's not that I have a problem with them collecting data from me. I have a problem knowingly supporting such a company.

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Thott being owned by OGaming is not news. It's been there for quite a while.


LOL, I don't think you'll find anyone in this thread saying "OMG, no way!! thottbot is ownzed by teh OGaming!!?". The news is that OGaming appears to be owned by IGE.

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1) Ease of use. It is MUCH easier to use Thottbot to find information than Allakhazam. They even offer a firefox plugin that lets you search it where the google and other search engines reside.
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Those are the main reasons. If Alla wants to compete with them for the average gamer looking for information quickly, they need a way to search more quickly. Even as a member who supports Allah with a premium membership, when I'm looking for something as quickly as possible, it's more effecient to use Thott. A Firefox plugin would make me a convert instantly.


Go here and click on Install Firefox Plugin.

For me, it's not about any sort of competition. I could really care less about any sort of rivalry between thottbot.com and alla (competition is a good thing for the users). Like I said, I just have a problem supporting anything that IGE does. Maybe my conscience is more sensitive than yours. Oh well, to each his own.

#16 Feb 09 2005 at 1:22 PM Rating: Default
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Smiley: laugh

****, I didn't even realize that an overall search existed. I see the link now that I've looked for it, but I've always used the Lookup buttons, as have my guildmates. Maybe placing a search link closer to the main section of game info might make it easier to find, as well as advertising the fact that there is a firefox search plugin, possibly by giving it a link of it's own.


Now, if a reg completely missed the fact that these existed, how about the average user? Most people just use the website to get information quickly, they're not going to be looking at the utilitarian parts of the site that aren't what they're looking for... And most of them will only see the information parts, rather than the news.


With the tool that has the best ease of use in a place that isn't the easiest to spot, it's still ineffecient.

The Firefox plugin is nice, and I'm very glad you guys pointed that out to me. It needs some more advertisement.

Now, still, the issue of ease of use exists. Alright, the search exists, and let's assume that some IE user knows of it. Now, they have a few choices:

1) Bookmark the search page. Alot of people rarely use bookmarks, alot of people use them for information that they won't be able to find without it. Bookmarking a site they know exists is likely to be lower on their list of things they want to than some random webpage they won't remember again.

Assuming that they don't do one, there are problems with:
2) Typing in the url. wow.allakhazam.com is harder to type than thottbot.com, and if they have to add /search.html or click on the search link, that's even more work. Can't shorten the URL, so if they want to use Alla, they have more work to do. Clicking on or extending the URL to the full filepath is still more work.


So, my suggestions are:

1) Create another link to the search area by the other database searchs. Possibly even make the search appear on the sidebar for even more ease of use.

2) Advertise the Firefox plugin some, give it a link on the sidebar.

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Why do you care? Because you're supporting IGE? Well, news: IGE *Does* speak with and have ties with to many of the MMORPG companies. The people who buy the currency are rarely, if ever, banned. The people who are not farming operations that sell to IGE are rarely, if ever, banned. You paying for WoW supports IGE in the sense that you are supporting the people that do business with them.


Ogaming has been owned by IGE for a while. It's not some new peice of information either. Most people will never know. Most people won't care. At this point, IGE owning Ogaming and Thott will likely never effect the users of Thott.


The thing is, giving IGE 'support' by using Thott is only using their bandwidth. It doesn't give them some special power over users.

Once they start advertising using Thott, or something that actually furthers themselves in their purpose of selling MMO currency, then I can see why it's an issue. Until then, they're just providing a resource to the community.
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#17Javariel, Posted: Feb 09 2005 at 1:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Who cares? The only big money sink in game is the epic mount. Other than that there's no reason to need to buy gold.
#18 Feb 09 2005 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, I guess I really am the only one that cares.

Blizzard has done a wonderful job making companies like IGE ineffective because they've designed the economy so well. OK, so IGE and affiliates have a slim to none chance of seriously effecting the WoW economy. It doesn't change my opinion of IGE and supporting them. I still don't want to be a part of anything they do.

I also believe that others should be informed so they can make that same decision if it bothers them. As it is, nobody is even aware (contrary to statements indicating this is somehow common knowledge).

And for the record, I seriously don't think Blizzard doing any sort of business with IGE, as suggested. Just because they don't feel the need to announce every person they ban for such behavior doesn't mean they aren't concerned about and dealing it and it definitely doesn't mean that they're business associates.

Edited, Wed Feb 9 15:51:01 2005 by HalfEmpty
#19 Feb 09 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Personally, I HATE thottbot. It's a pain in the *** to use compared to Alla.

I use Cosmos, but only for the extra button space and the quest difficulties, I've never touched the rest of the stuff Cosmos does.
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#20 Feb 09 2005 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Javariel wrote:
The gaming companies such as IGE have only helped the players further, by increasing supply and thus lowering prices.

Since when does having more money in an economy lower prices?
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#21 Feb 09 2005 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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well i for one will be disabling the thottbot in my cosmos UI when i get a chance to log in next.
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well i for one will be disabling the thottbot in my cosmos UI when i get a chance to log in next.

---ok looks like allah took a dump so this might turn into a multi post---

i for one will have nothing to do with IGE or any company like them.
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Nerf Thottbot!!!
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WoW main forum they locked it and said to post it on the off topic forum which garnered little attention.

I tried reposting it anyways but it wouldnt go up.
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#25 Feb 09 2005 at 5:41 PM Rating: Default
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Since when does having more money in an economy lower prices?


I refer to lowering prices for buying gold. I find that most of the people who whine about gold sellers are people who used to make money selling on ebay as individuals, and are mad that they lost to more efficient competition.

But in WoW, yes gold sellers do lower prices. Why? Because everything good thats not BoP is random world drop. That means the number available is proportional to the number of mobs killed, not a fixed number. More mobs killed, more good random drops. More good random drops, more supply. More supply, lower prices. Add into that the marginal increase caused by most equipment increases (2 agi and 2 stam are not going to make a noticable difference at high level), and prices will stay nice and deflated.

Furthermore, gold sellers act as an equalizing effect on the economy. Without gold sellers, you end up with a small set of high levels with most of the money, mainly the people who play like gold sellers (lots of farming, high levels from powerleveling). These people set prices in the economy because they can afford to outbid anyone else. Good items become too costly for anyone but that small clique to afford. With gold sellers, that money becoems spread out. Instead of one person with 5K buying high power items, you end up with 100 people with 50g buying items at multiple levels of the economy. This provides insentive to become crafters (and thus lowers the price of high level craft gear as more crafters exist), and removes the powerlevel advantage- they can no longer outspend the casual players without spending significant portions of their reserve, which will cause the very best items to go higher, but greatly deflate the slightly lower tier. And since the slightly lower tier is almost as good, this will be a huge boon to the casual gamer.


Now Blizzard could easily get rid of this all- lower the epic mount price to a reasonable level (200 gold? or better yet- put the regular mount to 50 and the elite to 100), Make that the gold cap- you cannot have more than that amount of gold. This basicly becomes the price cieling for all items. This removes the need to farm, ever, and makes gold farming absolutely useless. Item farming already is. And without the need to farm even once we'd have a much better game. Won't happen though- it falls into the catagory of "its always been done this way". Blizzard won't have the guts to try it.
#26 Feb 09 2005 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Nerf Allakhazam's Magical Realm! It's set up better then other information sources for MMORPGs and is obviously an exploit.
#27 Feb 09 2005 at 6:18 PM Rating: Default
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How to solve stupid problem --

Open Firefox (Or IE if you're stupid). Head to thottbot.

Open WoW.

Alt-tab when you need some info.

Yay brains.

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#28 Feb 10 2005 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Chtulhu the Quick wrote:
Assuming that they don't do one, there are problems with:
2) Typing in the url. wow.allakhazam.com is harder to type than thottbot.com, and if they have to add /search.html or click on the search link, that's even more work. Can't shorten the URL, so if they want to use Alla, they have more work to do. Clicking on or extending the URL to the full filepath is still more work.


I type "wow" press down arrow press enter, look it's allakhazam! =D I would like to note that this is easier than the way I get to thottbot.com, type "thot" press down arrow, press enter. Obviously I do more work getting to thottbot than alla. =P

My point being, how hard can it be to type a few letters? How much energy does it really take? I mean I just typed all of this and haven't even broken a sweat yet! =D


Ahem...sorry about that, I'm really bored...anyway I just really don't see the point in boycotting anything as an individual ever, and if you want others to boycot thottbot you're most likely going to fail, since it's not hurting anyone to exist, and in fact all it does is help...never harm. Correct me if I'm wrong. =)
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Excuse me for being retarded, but.....

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I type "wow" press down arrow press enter, look it's allakhazam! =D I would like to note that this is easier than the way I get to thottbot.com, type "thot" press down arrow, press enter. Obviously I do more work getting to thottbot than alla. =P


What do you mean? >.<
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#30 Feb 10 2005 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Haha. On the keyboard, press the down arrow key (located between the letters section and number pad section). =P

When you start typing in the address bar in your web browser does it not have a drop down menu of sites that you've been to beginning with those letters?
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I dont find this to be to much of a big deal. They just happen to own the company that runs a resource site. They dont siphon gold from you or anything, they just keep a compiled list of item drops and the like. Its handy for when alla doesnt have the item listed or there is no listing for how to get it. I very seldomly use it, and will probably continue to use it sparesly in the future.

As to which is easier to get to...alla, cuz its my **** homepage.
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i personaly feel very very violated.. ige i view as the enemy, and i view them as just as bad as chinese or any other sweatshop farmers.
the reason for that is because ige are doing the same thing, sure they arnt as agressive about it (possibly) but what they are still doing is wrong, against the sprit and moral of Earning things in the world. if you buy gold then you might as well buy a level 60 charicter. both ways your damageing the game and damageing your experance of WoW. because we all know.. theres no excuse for not haveing a charicter past at least 30 by now.
eventhe most casual of gamer can be satisfied with the leveling curve of WoW.
unless they are a spoilt brat (age has nothing to do with it) who just wants to throw their money around and make things happen fast.

my stance on in game currency buying has allways been pretty negative, less in Linage 2 since if you lost everything due to someone attacking you, you had to either buy adena, start again as a level 1, or scrounge money off friends.. and usally they are too busy struggleing with their own financial probs within that game to help. so it was either quit or buy adena.

#33Daggerwolf, Posted: Feb 10 2005 at 1:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) BS. IGE does not own Thott.
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very informative, thank you.
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Wait a minute..
Do you mean to tell me that your whole allegation of "conspiracy" is based on the fact that both companies have an office on the same floor of an office building that's at least 25 stories?

Sony and United Online have their technical support departments down the hall from one another... which one owns the other?

Sorry, but your trail of bread crumbs is a weak one. Weaker still is the allegation that using Thottbot or Cosmos is like supporting IGE. They don't get a penny from me, I don't even have data collection turned on. So what do they gain from me?
#36 Feb 15 2005 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
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Something else to chew on. eqprices is owned by IGE. They even have IGE ads all over their site. eqprices is registered to ogaming...Final nail in the coffin?

Registrant:
OGAMING NETWORK
Carnegie Tower
152 W. 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: EQPRICES.COM
Created on: 27-Jan-00
Expires on: 27-Jan-10
Last Updated on: 19-Jan-05

Administrative Contact:
BROYER, JM dns@ogaming.com
OGAMING NETWORK
Carnegie Tower
152 W. 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
United States
2122654900 Fax --
Technical Contact:
BROYER, JM dns@ogaming.com
OGAMING NETWORK
Carnegie Tower
152 W. 57th Street
New York, New York 10019
United States
2122654900 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS.SITEPROTECT.COM
NS2.SITEPROTECT.COM
#37 Feb 15 2005 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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This is my first MMO (and I'm only two weeks into it at that). Who exactly is IGE and why is it that big of a deal?
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They are goldsellers, meaning they sell online dollars for real life money. At 1st glace they may seem harmless, but when games like FFXI have their economy ruined by their hands, you would think twice before saying "Who Cares"
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Further information:
My sources in New York have confirmed that there are only 3 suites per floor in the Carnegie Tower. On the 25th floor there are only 3 businesses.
IGE
Endeavor (a talent agency)
Freud Communications (PR/Ad agency).

IGE accepts mail for both Ogaming and IGE. It is the same suite.

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This thread got linked on Slashdot. Heh.
http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/15/161219&tid=209&tid=158
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#43 Feb 15 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow, it's on the front page of /. and alla's not slashdotted yet. Go alla!! Better yet, this thread hasn't been overloaded by twinky eatting, mountain dew drinking, pointy headed, wienernet nerds. I still have that position firmly secured.

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Further information:
My sources in New York have confirmed that there are only 3 suites per floor in the Carnegie Tower. On the 25th floor there are only 3 businesses.
IGE
Endeavor (a talent agency)
Freud Communications (PR/Ad agency).

IGE accepts mail for both Ogaming and IGE. It is the same suite.


I'm going to be in manhattan this weekend and all of next week. Maybe I'll pay them a "visit" :)

Edited, Tue Feb 15 15:37:21 2005 by HalfEmpty
#44 Feb 15 2005 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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This is my first MMO (and I'm only two weeks into it at that). Who exactly is IGE and why is it that big of a deal?


Personally, my main concern with Ige is their business practices. Though I disapprove of gold-selling (mainly because it completely ruined FFXI, which is much more susceptible to such things than WoW), I feel that denouncing Ige just for that removes other reasons to dislike them.

I just did a google search for (sell gil FFXI) (used FFXI because again, it's more established and pronounced there), and looked at the search results. The first three sites that offered to sell accounts too had identical prices and the same account listed first on Unicorn. This suggests to me that those non-ige sites are just fronts for ige, whether by their intent, or the intent of the other site hosts. The sites I looked at were ige, virdaq, and mysupersales (posted for verification/clarification by people who know their way around hosting info etc. My check was quick and dirty). If these sites are seprate sites who are referring ige, not ige's fault. If they are in fact owned by ige, this suggests fradulent practices to cover up a monopoly.

I find Allakhazam's revalation of a buyout ttempt particularly interesting. Was this before or after they attempted to appear "sanctioned" by this site, by buying half (rough estimate) the ad space on your ad hoster?

So, having established ige's apparent policy of assimilating competition/advertising sources (pending verification), we have a better stance for referecing the selling practices themselves without relying on them solely to win the point.

As has been mentioned, many gil-sellers out there may or may not be directly employed by ige. However, ige acts as an enabler. Suppose gil-farming group X is completely on their own; they need to have a way of moving their gil, and in a market of many small groups, that means commpetition to get noticed. They probably cannot move that much gil, because any buyer will have to choose between them and the large number of people/sites/accounts like theirs.

Add in ige, a centralized site. To those who want to buy gil, ige becomes a go-to site, due to their size and advertising. Because of their ability to move gil, ige is willing and able to buy it from the farmers, allowing them to focus on harvesting, without worrying about how they'll profit from it. In this sense ige is indeed employing more gil-farmers than it may seem. This easy payoff allows gil-farming to flourish, causing the glut of gil-farmers currently seen on FFXI. This basically keeps regular players out of most of the profitable methods of making gil, forcing them to watch AH prices rise higher and higher, and face a difficult decision.

NOTE: I have used FFXI here because it is much more susceptible. WoW's binding of items, plus Diablo II-esque item system places less emphasis on having specific items (and those items that do have emphasis are usually BoP) and thus less emphasis on having the gold for those items. Instancing, and having profitable vendor trash, are also good steps against gil-selling. I do not believe we are completely immune, though.
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#45 Feb 16 2005 at 7:00 AM Rating: Default
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My brain Hurts now... the Rantings of Some do Flow over the heads of others..

As some have Asked "Whats IGN" and "Why are we worried" its simple everyones into someone elses Business heh "IGN is a Big Business thats Ruined several Online Games" but honestly isnt it more of the Players Ruining the game? reminds me of the Matrix where Smith is defining the Humans as a Virus well its True, we Destroy, Use up and Move on..... and only those willing to see the potential profits from this act survive! i spent a good 4 years on EQ it was an AWESOME game. then it got Boring.. mainly from all the Farmers and Braggarts and jerks. so i moved over to FFXI which i played for a month and felt it was lame.. next came City of Heroes where i got to relive my childhood and was able to Virtually Slide on the spandex and beat up the badguys with a vengance... now im on WoW... so from my long term MMO playtime i made my Virtual Money and Spent it all in a short time.. didnt use the Ebayed sites to get my cash.. earned it the honest way i guess you could say...

So what i learned is each game gets old eventually and you move on to the next one to get your gaming Fix... but do you have to Buy Virtual Money? nope.. Not a Dime outside of the Monthly Fee have i ever spent on the games... so if it wernt for us Gamers wanting the Quick cash there would be no business as powerful and hated as IGN.. right?

Not saying my little Rant is Corect in anyway.. just the View from my seat... were not all Sitting in the Same chair to begin with so thats where we can all disagree on why IGN is what it is

Firefox has a Neat little Plug in that turns off Banners and Ads... i like it..

Psst.. theres a new MMO comming out soon called Guildwars... FREE ONLINE PLAY! whats gonna happen then?

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My brain Hurts now... the Rantings of Some do Flow over the heads of others..

As some have Asked "Whats IGN" and "Why are we worried" its simple everyones into someone elses Business heh "IGN is a Big Business thats Ruined several Online Games" but honestly isnt it more of the Players Ruining the game? reminds me of the Matrix where Smith is defining the Humans as a Virus well its True, we Destroy, Use up and Move on..... and only those willing to see the potential profits from this act survive! i spent a good 4 years on EQ it was an AWESOME game. then it got Boring.. mainly from all the Farmers and Braggarts and jerks. so i moved over to FFXI which i played for a month and felt it was lame.. next came City of Heroes where i got to relive my childhood and was able to Virtually Slide on the spandex and beat up the badguys with a vengance... now im on WoW... so from my long term MMO playtime i made my Virtual Money and Spent it all in a short time.. didnt use the Ebayed sites to get my cash.. earned it the honest way i guess you could say...

So what i learned is each game gets old eventually and you move on to the next one to get your gaming Fix... but do you have to Buy Virtual Money? nope.. Not a Dime outside of the Monthly Fee have i ever spent on the games... so if it wernt for us Gamers wanting the Quick cash there would be no business as powerful and hated as IGN.. right?

Not saying my little Rant is Corect in anyway.. just the View from my seat... were not all Sitting in the Same chair to begin with so thats where we can all disagree on why IGN is what it is

Firefox has a Neat little Plug in that turns off Banners and Ads... i like it..

Psst.. theres a new MMO comming out soon called Guildwars... FREE ONLINE PLAY! whats gonna happen then?



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#47 Feb 16 2005 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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MaztaCazta wrote:
Psst.. theres a new MMO comming out soon called Guildwars... FREE ONLINE PLAY! whats gonna happen then?



You'll probably go play that, and none of us will care really. Adios amigo!

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#49 Feb 16 2005 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm pretty sure Cosmos is not owned by IGE. And the utility for uploading data to thottbot is cosmos. So we don't have anything to worry about them getting any information that won;t be used on Thottbot. The Cosmos team is not corrupt. So there is nothing bad about uploading thottbot data. You're not contributing to IGE at all. You are actually just taking away bandwidth which costs money, in turn taking away thier money.

It may be owned by IGE but I bet it's the same people behind it.

One other thing. IGE owning thottbot is actually a good thing. They are a big company and what not. They have the money to support the thott servers. So no more of those week data backups.

Edited, Wed Feb 16 11:05:35 2005 by Extabyte
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#50 Feb 16 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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over 300 000 sold copys in europe in the first weekend...
#51 Feb 16 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
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.... Yea, we're talking about IGE.
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