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#1 Nov 09 2004 at 7:00 PM Rating: Default
Okay from what I can tell is.. WoW's PvP is a Honor System with some minor flaws to it (Well, to some of us this may not be minor!)

Anyways, apparently when you kill a lower level you get dishonor and when you kill a player near your level or higher you get honor. Well the problem is the Dishonor, and the flaw would be the fact that if you get too much dishonor you will eventually loose experience ( Yeah... scary) and worse you can be attacked by your own faction (OUCH BABY!) and I am going to try to show you how this dishonor can be a bad thing

Suggestion: Remove Dishonor, Leave Honor, To be used as a ranking for Ladder mabey? This way those who like to compete for higher ladder ranks (which should be based on points, not level haha) will not kill lower levels

Examples
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So.. World of Warcrafts PvP should be team-based, and played like a sport? Nope, Why? Don't sports teams help each other? Well in World of Warcraft, lets say you're level 50, you have a teammate in the near distant crying for help who is level 20, he's being attacked by a level 20 also, and is losing. Sure it's a fair fight, but wouldn't it be more "Team like" to help out a player on the same faction? Nah.. because I don't want dishonor, so I'll let him die =(
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World of Warcraft = Massive Multiplayer Online "ROLE PLAYING GAME"? Yeah... to an extent. Let's say your walking through a contested area, having fun wandering, while singing (La la la la) and all of a sudden you come accross an enemy! He's a much lower level, Kill him? No! You don't want Dishonor. Sure you're a Human (lets just say) and he's a Undead (Who are appearntly enemies) but you'll let him live (Let an ENEMY LIVE? WHAT THE...) so that you don't get any dishonor =)
In the other Warcraft games when you come across enemy, Say your bringing a squad of orcs toward your human enemy and you pass a scout, would you let him live? No of course not, there aren't any penalties and it's a War game (WARcraft)
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You're doing some usual stuff, traveling, questing, whatever, and you come across an enemy! He's a lower level so, you'll let him live (Because your nice) but he realizes that you probably won't attack him since he's a much lower level, and knows high levels don't want that horrid dishonor. So he decides to attack you right? Will you attack back? Nah, if you kill 'em you'll get dishonor! Who wants that
If related to other Warcraft games, when attacked you don't take your army and run, you attack back usually

This is Warcraft right?

Solution: (Any of these)
1 Remove Dishonor
2 Add a new PvP server type (Hardcore mabey? but not hardcore as in you die and stay dead, like Diablo II) where there are Dishonor rules
Agree ... Disagree? (Use your own examples or whatever)
#2 Nov 09 2004 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
I see the flaw in that lower levels can exploit dishonor, but the higher level should be able to get away somehow if need be. This isn't Warcraft 3 after all. There much more to this game then leveling up your hero and then try go obliterate the opposition and no one likes to be killed by someone that is many levels higher. I'm sure they will figure out a way to fix the problem.
#3 Nov 09 2004 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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World of Warcraft = Massive Multiplayer Online "ROLE PLAYING GAME"? Yeah... to an extent. Let's say your walking through a contested area, having fun wandering, while singing (La la la la) and all of a sudden you come accross an enemy! He's a much lower level, Kill him? No! You don't want Dishonor. Sure you're a Human (lets just say) and he's a Undead (Who are appearntly enemies) but you'll let him live (Let an ENEMY LIVE? WHAT THE...) so that you don't get any dishonor =)


Let's say YOU'RE that undead player going about your daily business and some @#$% higher level player just comes and knocks you down. It's not fun, because you can't even try to fight back.

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You're doing some usual stuff, traveling, questing, whatever, and you come across an enemy! He's a lower level so, you'll let him live (Because your nice) but he realizes that you probably won't attack him since he's a much lower level, and knows high levels don't want that horrid dishonor. So he decides to attack you right? Will you attack back? Nah, if you kill 'em you'll get dishonor! Who wants that


If he attacks you first, you don't lose honor for fighting back.

Look - it's not Diablo II, and hopefully even the PvP server won't be overrun with 13 year olds are bullied in Real Life and choose to take out their frustrations by leveling to high levels and beating up on newbies ... Hopefully ...
#5 Nov 10 2004 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
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Let's say YOU'RE that undead player going about your daily business and some @#$% higher level player just comes and knocks you down. It's not fun, because you can't even try to fight back.


It seriously wouldn't bother me, I've played PvP on EverQuest, Sullon Zek Server (Worst of em all) where there were no restrictions on PvP, there were 3 teams, and you could attack any opposing team member no matter the level (well, actually level 5 and lower are safe) and it was.... the FUNNEST I've ever had on a game, honestly... because
OKay, I would be the "Lower level" and get killed (Doesn't bother me, I ain't a constipated obese nerd who gets pisted off at video games), then I would call for back up from my guild, they would come, kill the enemies, enemies would come back with their guild... and well you would have a war basically (I would love to see this on World of Warcraft)

And another reason this wouldn't bother me... No exp loss to PvP deaths, and you don't get the 100% durability loss (I think todays patch fixed that)
#6 Nov 11 2004 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Seeing as how all your seeing is messages, your not going to make them change something thats not in game yet.
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