Alrighty, I think I had enough with the debating, taunting, crying, pissing, flaming and moaning when it comes to comparing WoW with other MMOs. If anything, the big fight has always been the classic FFXI vs WoW fight.
Enough of this.
I hearby call all on the board to finally say no more. This includes visitor and regulars, this has got to stop. There are ways to get information on WoW without comparing. If anything, we shouldn't be comparing for those who ask. No, that should be left to the person who seeks the info.
I now ask for everybody who reads this to agree that there shall no longer be anymore comparing of any game to WoW. WoW is different from games like FFXI and EQ2 because it follows a different set of rules. Just because they are of the same genre doesn't mean anything. Apples and oranges, people.
If you, the poster, need information, just ask without trying to make a thread comparing the info you recieved to your previous MMO. Face it, if you are looking for something different you don't need to be told it is different. The information you recieve should tell you it's different. Playing the game should tell you it's different. There's a reason why WoW has attracted you. Find the reason and research why you were drawn to it, not make long winded statements (I'm guilty of this) on how it measures up to your recent game.
Quick summary: No more WoW vs Everybody-and-your-mamma threads. Ask for the info, get the info and compare to yourself. We had enough debates on how MMO A is different from MMO B. It's time for you to decide whether A or B is for you.
/rant off
Just wanted to say that comparing expeiences is okay but lets not try to make a fully dedicated debate thread. There are a few threads that just need to be nuked to the stone age simply because all it does is bring up the same stupid debate.
Edited, Thu Nov 4 09:00:42 2004 by Redmoonxl
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Well, most people don't wanna hear why a game is good without hearing it put up against another game of the same genre. I agree the game bashing has to stop. I however feel that FFXI and WoW, while made differently can be compared w/o argument.
There are pros on both, and I'm sure there are cons on both. What kills the "discussion" and makes it meaningless banter and rants, are the angry players from both sides.
All that being said I will agree with you, due to the fact that there is no way to stop people from posting angry words, when someone posts something negative about their "1337" game.
There are pros on both, and I'm sure there are cons on both. What kills the "discussion" and makes it meaningless banter and rants, are the angry players from both sides.
All that being said I will agree with you, due to the fact that there is no way to stop people from posting angry words, when someone posts something negative about their "1337" game.
I second the motion.
I think comparing games gives you pretty good view to the game, as most of us have played FFXI, so comparing WoW to FFXI gives us much information about WoW and thats the thing i enjoy reading and i don't think im only one here.
If you can't stand game comparing to each other, don't read those threads plz /cry?
If you can't stand game comparing to each other, don't read those threads plz /cry?
I think its nice to have comparisons to see if you may like a game or not. When I see a post from someone that has played FFXI for a while, has a high level character, high rank, and is willing to leave it all behind for another game, that for me means something. After playing WOW for 1 day I am really close to throwing my 61RDM rank 6 (If I stay I will hit rank 7) in the trash and get WOW. It is THAT much better. I leveled twice last night on my Undead Warlock and didn't know it because I was having so much fun.
I will give WOW a solid two months before I official jump ship to make sure that its not the newness of the game that makes me like it(I doubt it). I have plenty of friends in FFXI that are tired of having to farm for weeks to afford gear for the next few levels (Haubergeon and 2 Snipers ring a bell?). Also the fact that you CAN'T do anything end game without a bunch of other people.
I will very soon be saying goodbye to "Second Job Fantasy 11" err FFXI. ^^
I will give WOW a solid two months before I official jump ship to make sure that its not the newness of the game that makes me like it(I doubt it). I have plenty of friends in FFXI that are tired of having to farm for weeks to afford gear for the next few levels (Haubergeon and 2 Snipers ring a bell?). Also the fact that you CAN'T do anything end game without a bunch of other people.
I will very soon be saying goodbye to "Second Job Fantasy 11" err FFXI. ^^
See, comparison is needed, but w/o the ranting of people with hurt feelings about how much time was invested. Or how great their charactor was. I have all that. 73 full days of my life over the last year, and 64 levels. So I have my set opinions that can be spoken about w/o yelling or screaming that my charactor is so great.
If we could stop the bashing, comparison is a great tool.
If we could stop the bashing, comparison is a great tool.
Hey Warf, all I can say is:
GO PATRIOTS!!!
sorry, didn't mean to hijack
GO PATRIOTS!!!
sorry, didn't mean to hijack
There will be comparisons, there will be tons of ********* tons of ranting, tons of whining. If they want to wax philosphical idelas about the 2 games, I'll listen. But if its some 12 yr old trying to start FFXI vs WoW war, I will be quick to hit that rate-down key.
Sign me up Redmoonxl
Sign me up Redmoonxl
LOL yeah Seo I'm a westcoast Pats fan. I have a really hard time getting any periphinalia(sp?)
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Comparison is necessary. Why should I leave my game for your's unless you can show me how it's better? How can I make my decision without a direct compare-and-contrast?
Crying, whining, ranting, flaming...those we can do without. But simple comparisons are important. If I said that EQ2 is going to suck because Sony is running it, that's not entirely fair and I won't be the first to pull that card. But if I said that the quest system in WoW is much more engaging, and although the quest log window is slightly more flexible in EQ2, overall I find quests much more meaningful, significant, and worthwhile in World of Warcraft, that's a fair, logical, and useful analysis.
Crying, whining, ranting, flaming...those we can do without. But simple comparisons are important. If I said that EQ2 is going to suck because Sony is running it, that's not entirely fair and I won't be the first to pull that card. But if I said that the quest system in WoW is much more engaging, and although the quest log window is slightly more flexible in EQ2, overall I find quests much more meaningful, significant, and worthwhile in World of Warcraft, that's a fair, logical, and useful analysis.
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
Comparison threads are only good if they are detailed and address the issues that I am most interested in. The ones that say "Lineage II ROCKS and Galaxies SUCKS!!!" doesn't really give me any information about either game.
Personally, I'm keeping FFXI on the back burner (with the burner off) for WoW. I wouldn't be lying if I said I was persuaded by some of these comparison post from beta testers. I'm really looking forward to open beta to get a feel for this game, but until then, all I have is information from insiders and general information. Comparing it to something else that I know very well gives me a sense of what to expect.
But in the end, I agree and comply with this peace treaty. Non-biased comparisons are great, but they are also a rarity and they are forgotten in a swarm of fan-boi animosity.
Personally, I'm keeping FFXI on the back burner (with the burner off) for WoW. I wouldn't be lying if I said I was persuaded by some of these comparison post from beta testers. I'm really looking forward to open beta to get a feel for this game, but until then, all I have is information from insiders and general information. Comparing it to something else that I know very well gives me a sense of what to expect.
But in the end, I agree and comply with this peace treaty. Non-biased comparisons are great, but they are also a rarity and they are forgotten in a swarm of fan-boi animosity.
hmmm i was doing a little reaserch on a few games and i see that you Cannon compare 1 game with another, you must see if it is similar.
That said, we Cannot Compare WoW to FFXI and EQ2.
both of those games are more "party" based and have very little solo/casual content.
It seems that eq2 will be fighting against ffxi as both games have very similar aspects.
Wow is targeting a different type of playerand its content is totally different than wow and ffxi.
You gain lvs more doing quests than grinding on mobs, Thus WOW is a quest base MMORPG.
This is why people who like "group and party based" games that does consume alot of time are attracted to games like ffxi and eq2 and they shun wow because its not their style of gameplay.
The same can be said about wow. casual players and soloers will love this game. Also I can assume Wow will have a lot of mature people who have tons of responsobilities but want to play a mmo at their pace.
So if your gonna compare x game with y game 1st check if they have similar aspects and are targeted to please the same crowd.
This makes WOW quite Unique.
That said, we Cannot Compare WoW to FFXI and EQ2.
both of those games are more "party" based and have very little solo/casual content.
It seems that eq2 will be fighting against ffxi as both games have very similar aspects.
Wow is targeting a different type of playerand its content is totally different than wow and ffxi.
You gain lvs more doing quests than grinding on mobs, Thus WOW is a quest base MMORPG.
This is why people who like "group and party based" games that does consume alot of time are attracted to games like ffxi and eq2 and they shun wow because its not their style of gameplay.
The same can be said about wow. casual players and soloers will love this game. Also I can assume Wow will have a lot of mature people who have tons of responsobilities but want to play a mmo at their pace.
So if your gonna compare x game with y game 1st check if they have similar aspects and are targeted to please the same crowd.
This makes WOW quite Unique.
Honestly, if you played FFXI for a year and have played WoW for one day (as I have) you can't make much in terms of good comparisons.
Yes - I have very much enjoyed my first 9.5 levels as a Night Elf Hunter (almost 10, soon I'll be taming beasts!). I have taken a "vacation" from FFXI to try it out. I'm hoping to get far enough in the next 2.5 weeks (before commercial release) to decide if I'm in fact going to say goodbye to Vana'Diel forever.
I think that many of the WoW vs FFXI threads are non-sense, not because it's a bad idea (I would love to read a *good*, unbiased comparison) but because most of them seem to be written be people who have played WoW for a day, or people who have never played it at all and are just speculating.
Now - if someone has played FFXI to L70+ and has also played Beta to the level cap, I'd love to hear a comparison from that player.
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Apples and oranges, people.
So what you're saying is... you like fruit?
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Now - if someone has played FFXI to L70+ and has also played Beta to the level cap, I'd love to hear a comparison from that ."
Is it possible to get to lv70 without ruining your social life?
j/k
Like i said before , you just cannot compare the 2.
ffxi is partybased
wow is more casual,solo and pvp friendly.
both games target different players.
If you notice Most of the wow vs ffxi threads point out ffxi "party system" and how you can solo in wow. this is obious the person compareing is either a casual gamer or likes to solo.
There are many people who do enjoy ffxi, those who decide to leave is because they just cannot afford the time needed to play ffxi.
As i see it now onlu eq2 can be compared to ffxi in terms that both games revolve around party's in order to do things.
Now as for saying which is better ill have to spend alot of time playing eq2 in order to do that.
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Now - if someone has played FFXI to L70+ and has also played Beta to the level cap, I'd love to hear a comparison from that ."
Is it possible to get to lv70 without ruining your social life?
j/k
Like i said before , you just cannot compare the 2.
ffxi is partybased
wow is more casual,solo and pvp friendly.
both games target different players.
If you notice Most of the wow vs ffxi threads point out ffxi "party system" and how you can solo in wow. this is obious the person compareing is either a casual gamer or likes to solo.
There are many people who do enjoy ffxi, those who decide to leave is because they just cannot afford the time needed to play ffxi.
As i see it now onlu eq2 can be compared to ffxi in terms that both games revolve around party's in order to do things.
Now as for saying which is better ill have to spend alot of time playing eq2 in order to do that.
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If you notice Most of the wow vs ffxi threads point out ffxi "party system" and how you can solo in wow. this is obious the person compareing is either a casual gamer or likes to solo.
In my opinion, the party system (and the *Need* to work with others to progress) is both the best and the worst thing about FFXI.
It's great when it's working. When you have a good exp party, or a bunch of friends going after an objective (I.e. boss fights, BCNM, AF, etc) it is a blast. There is nothing better, in my opinion, than being a contributing member to a very effective team
On the flip-side, there are many players who don't put in the effort to understand their jobs and equip themselves properly. When you end up partying with them for any reason, they pull down the group, and of course get amazingly defensive when you ask about the 10-level-old weapon, etc.
When I started FFXI, it took me a while to gain appreciation for the party system. I originally played UO, where partying was casual and most of the game was solo. I had the same idea about FFXI, and at first I resented being "forced" to party. Once I got the hang of it, I realized how amazing it can be.
Now - playing WoW, I'm very disoriented. I WANT to party, but right now the game generally seems to lend itself to soloing. I'm just about L10, and I'm hoping to see some cooperative content some time soon.
You are right though - any comparison of FFXI to WoW would need to take into account all of the inherant differences. FFXI also has a far more developed economy, crafting system and well... it has a 2.5 year head start so it's attained an excellent level of polish. For a brand new game, WoW is off to a a great start. Only time will tell how well it stands up to FFXI over time.
There is one thing that is for sure - for the casual gamer, FFXI is a bad choice, and WoW seems like it will be just right.
While I haven't minded some of the threads that were FFXI vs WoW I will say that ALL of them sadly turn into flame wars. Which pretty much destroys any attempt to talk about the topic at hand.
If people can't stop flamming each other about it, then I guess it really is pointless to try and "talk" about it.
If people can't stop flamming each other about it, then I guess it really is pointless to try and "talk" about it.
Most of the low-level content is solo-based. Most of the high-level content is group-oriented. From level 15-45, you can go either way easily.
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
Yep, felt the need to bump this. By the way, thank you to the troll that so kindly rated the thread down because I'm sure that person just loves the FFXI vs WoW wars ^^
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Interesting, prehaps you find it wonderful that vs spam threads appear out of nowhere only to keep better threads from being seen. Yep, I love that logic...
Yep, I love that logic too.... If you want to save the world then do something. Take the “better” threads and bump them. Hmm…yes/no
Not when people choose to continue bump the other 100 vs threads. You claim you have a stoneskin yet you continue to argue your point home. Hmm....
Go Pats!
Sorry, I now return you to your regular thread.
Sorry, I now return you to your regular thread.
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Like i said before , you just cannot compare the 2.
ffxi is partybased
wow is more casual,solo and pvp friendly.
thats funny to me. nice comparison. anyhow, its funny how trying to quell comparisons opens the door to tons of comparing.
anyhow, why would it bother you for ppl to do some comparison? personally, i think it has value.
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Seriously tho......WoW is better
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