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1. ) no more ffxi, eq2 compared to wow.....
PLZ !!!!!!!
i don't care, don't want to hear about ffxi........ or eq... if i did I would be at that form....
2. ) ...no more NOOB or i'm 133L (no ide what this is), i hate when ppl call new players a noob!!!! sure there are few players who are an ***...but you don't have to call them noob... call them an ***!!!
3. ) let's have fun :D enjoy the game :D take some brake every 2-3 hours of game play :D
4. ) be nice to other players...
Edited, Mon Nov 1 22:25:24 2004 by XvermonX
PLZ !!!!!!!
i don't care, don't want to hear about ffxi........ or eq... if i did I would be at that form....
2. ) ...no more NOOB or i'm 133L (no ide what this is), i hate when ppl call new players a noob!!!! sure there are few players who are an ***...but you don't have to call them noob... call them an ***!!!
3. ) let's have fun :D enjoy the game :D take some brake every 2-3 hours of game play :D
4. ) be nice to other players...
Edited, Mon Nov 1 22:25:24 2004 by XvermonX
DO: be a good neighbor. It benefits you AND is the right thing to do! If you see someone struggling in a fight, help them out, even if it just means tossing a buff or a heal. Sure, you won't get any loot or XP out of it, but you'll feel better about yourself and you'll benefit another person. Oftentimes, if that person has buffs that work on you, they'll cast it on you as thanks. (Note: For this reason, always help out druids. Also note: always buff people who help you out. It's part of being a good neighbor.)
And remember: what goes around comes around. Sure, that particular person may never help you out himself. But if you find yourself struggling and another player passes by, would you want to be in a culture of people who help each other, or a culture of it's-none-of-my-business? Creating culture requires YOUR effort, too. So be a good neighbor. (This is doubly true for the PvP servers.)
DON'T: Be a jerk. I really don't have to explain this, because everyone knows what it means. Yet I have to mention it because some people inevitably act like this. Ninja-looting, spamming the chat forums, pestering or following people for no good reason, letting people die so you can kill the mob they were fighting, all are examples of being a jerk. (Also: some of the more egregious PvP actions such as corpse-camping and repeated ganking.) Being a jerk angers other people and there's no real benefit to you, PLUS you'll feel guilty about it. It hurts you in the long run, in the form of blacklists and a hostile general community. And don't go trying to say that you're role-playing a character that's a jerk, because that's just stupid and no one really buys it. So don't be a jerk.
DO: Learn how to be a good group-mate. Know how your character works and what it's capable of. For example, if you're a secondary healer, it becomes your job to watch health bars, too. If your character can tank but is not the primary, the group is counting on you to handle adds. Do your best to help out the group as a whole. It's tempting, particularly with some classes, to forget everything and focus on blowing the monsters to kingdom come. But your healer won't be thanking you when you draw the aggro by overnuking, and he has to heal you a lot more which means now the aggro's on him, and suddenly the group wipes. Or the healer goes OOM and needs you to cover while he regens, except you blew your mana for burst DPS, and the tank dies and you wipe.
Being a good group-mate is about communication, also, especially when one or two of the party members is very experienced. Be prepared to take advice, tell your party members IN ADVANCE if you need a break (they might need one, too, but will resent you if you leave them hanging), and keep everyone alert about adds or mana situations.
DON'T: be mean to the healer. While being mean to your group-mates is a bad general policy, it especially hurts when you're mean to a healer. The healer is the only person who doesn't get to really fight, he's got the most tedious and thankless job in the party, and he's always the first to be blamed when something goes wrong. Priests, despite being fairly strong as a class, are the least-played class in the game for just these reasons. It's one thing to say "Why didn't you heal me" to a secondary healer, as that person might not completely understand his job. But NEVER say "why didn't you heal me" to a primary healer, because he is VERY familiar with his job. There are a few bad healers out there, granted, but the rest are people who are really nice guys and who really, really want to help. Be nice to them. Thank them for a job well done-- after all, no healer=dead party, so by definition any success is because the healer was on the ball. It's all they really ask for, so don't be shy; just make a habit of thanking the healer once or twice a run. In fact, I think it's so important it'll be it's own topic.
DO: Be nice to the healer. See above.
And remember: what goes around comes around. Sure, that particular person may never help you out himself. But if you find yourself struggling and another player passes by, would you want to be in a culture of people who help each other, or a culture of it's-none-of-my-business? Creating culture requires YOUR effort, too. So be a good neighbor. (This is doubly true for the PvP servers.)
DON'T: Be a jerk. I really don't have to explain this, because everyone knows what it means. Yet I have to mention it because some people inevitably act like this. Ninja-looting, spamming the chat forums, pestering or following people for no good reason, letting people die so you can kill the mob they were fighting, all are examples of being a jerk. (Also: some of the more egregious PvP actions such as corpse-camping and repeated ganking.) Being a jerk angers other people and there's no real benefit to you, PLUS you'll feel guilty about it. It hurts you in the long run, in the form of blacklists and a hostile general community. And don't go trying to say that you're role-playing a character that's a jerk, because that's just stupid and no one really buys it. So don't be a jerk.
DO: Learn how to be a good group-mate. Know how your character works and what it's capable of. For example, if you're a secondary healer, it becomes your job to watch health bars, too. If your character can tank but is not the primary, the group is counting on you to handle adds. Do your best to help out the group as a whole. It's tempting, particularly with some classes, to forget everything and focus on blowing the monsters to kingdom come. But your healer won't be thanking you when you draw the aggro by overnuking, and he has to heal you a lot more which means now the aggro's on him, and suddenly the group wipes. Or the healer goes OOM and needs you to cover while he regens, except you blew your mana for burst DPS, and the tank dies and you wipe.
Being a good group-mate is about communication, also, especially when one or two of the party members is very experienced. Be prepared to take advice, tell your party members IN ADVANCE if you need a break (they might need one, too, but will resent you if you leave them hanging), and keep everyone alert about adds or mana situations.
DON'T: be mean to the healer. While being mean to your group-mates is a bad general policy, it especially hurts when you're mean to a healer. The healer is the only person who doesn't get to really fight, he's got the most tedious and thankless job in the party, and he's always the first to be blamed when something goes wrong. Priests, despite being fairly strong as a class, are the least-played class in the game for just these reasons. It's one thing to say "Why didn't you heal me" to a secondary healer, as that person might not completely understand his job. But NEVER say "why didn't you heal me" to a primary healer, because he is VERY familiar with his job. There are a few bad healers out there, granted, but the rest are people who are really nice guys and who really, really want to help. Be nice to them. Thank them for a job well done-- after all, no healer=dead party, so by definition any success is because the healer was on the ball. It's all they really ask for, so don't be shy; just make a habit of thanking the healer once or twice a run. In fact, I think it's so important it'll be it's own topic.
DO: Be nice to the healer. See above.
That entire healer speal is the exact same crap in the FFXI forums lol. Yes you need healers in some places, but in no way shape or form do healers deserve "special treatment" due to their class.
Healers should not be given any special treatment as seen in FFXI. Healers often obused their power in that game because their swing status on groups, That is not the problem in this game, so there is no reason to go out of your way to make up for less knowledgable healers just because of their class(This stance taken say for if a healer is consistantly slow or disregarding heals to do other things that can indefinately endanger your partys wellbeing).
No you shouldnt say things that demean or hurt any of the players fealings such as "WTF, you heal so slow you freakin lamer." or "God you cant tank worth crap.", but it would be wise to improve the group status if you kindly pointed out that maybe the tank is slightly weaker than what the healer is used to and might require more healing, or that the rogues equipment and skill is just too much to keep agro off of, so could you maybe tone down the damage inbetween agro locks. This way you somewhat compliment the other person while pointing out that the group needs help from them.
If that person takes it the wrong way, remember, its not FFXI, it isnt the end of your FFXI gaming day because someone took an adjustment wrong.
Saying the healer needs special treatment is just opening priest classes up to taking advantage of others.
Edited, Tue Nov 2 01:12:44 2004 by VampyreKnight
Healers should not be given any special treatment as seen in FFXI. Healers often obused their power in that game because their swing status on groups, That is not the problem in this game, so there is no reason to go out of your way to make up for less knowledgable healers just because of their class(This stance taken say for if a healer is consistantly slow or disregarding heals to do other things that can indefinately endanger your partys wellbeing).
No you shouldnt say things that demean or hurt any of the players fealings such as "WTF, you heal so slow you freakin lamer." or "God you cant tank worth crap.", but it would be wise to improve the group status if you kindly pointed out that maybe the tank is slightly weaker than what the healer is used to and might require more healing, or that the rogues equipment and skill is just too much to keep agro off of, so could you maybe tone down the damage inbetween agro locks. This way you somewhat compliment the other person while pointing out that the group needs help from them.
If that person takes it the wrong way, remember, its not FFXI, it isnt the end of your FFXI gaming day because someone took an adjustment wrong.
Saying the healer needs special treatment is just opening priest classes up to taking advantage of others.
Edited, Tue Nov 2 01:12:44 2004 by VampyreKnight
VampyreKnight, there are things that you say that I agree with and things I disagree with. I completely agree that there needs to be communication; your examples of a rogue overdrawing aggro and a weaker-than-average tank are perfect times and places for everyone to make adjustments. In such cases, the rogue and the healer both need to be told (politely) about the situation for the sake of the group.
However, I disagree that complimenting healers for a job well done is "special treatment". I may have overstated the case a bit in my initial post; like I said, communication is necessary for everyone to do their job, and when something isn't right it needs to be straightened out. But healers need some loving, too. They're like the offensive line in football: you only talk about them when something goes wrong, and when things are going right it's all about the sexy damage dealers.
My point: Healers get none of the glory of killing monsters because they rarely do any damage themselves. So share a little with them, make them feel appreciated. It makes friends and makes them feel good. That's all. If that's "special treatment", then so be it; it's the right thing to do.
However, I disagree that complimenting healers for a job well done is "special treatment". I may have overstated the case a bit in my initial post; like I said, communication is necessary for everyone to do their job, and when something isn't right it needs to be straightened out. But healers need some loving, too. They're like the offensive line in football: you only talk about them when something goes wrong, and when things are going right it's all about the sexy damage dealers.
My point: Healers get none of the glory of killing monsters because they rarely do any damage themselves. So share a little with them, make them feel appreciated. It makes friends and makes them feel good. That's all. If that's "special treatment", then so be it; it's the right thing to do.
The fact is that you shouldnt be going out of your way to compliment the healer when other people are doing their job just as well if not better. Your going to look like a pretty big *** if everyones busting your hump and the only thing you hear is "wow, our healer is so great.". Melees really dont get any glory. only time anyone gets glory is when something is extremely nice happens like a crit or you barely live because of some rabbit that came out at the last minute.
Compliments should not be made to a direct person just because of the class they play. Its like saying because the warriors a female everyone else in the party should say GJ after every kill.
If your going to compliment do it for a specific accomplishment or to the entire group. If you just cleared a hard instance non of you had done before in record speed, compliment the group. If the mage nuke crited and the mob didnt flinch off the warrior, compliment the warrior and the mage for nice damage and agro management. If the parties taking on a ratio of 1:1 monsters and the healer keeps everyone alive. compliment the healer.
Compliments should not be made to a direct person just because of the class they play. Its like saying because the warriors a female everyone else in the party should say GJ after every kill.
If your going to compliment do it for a specific accomplishment or to the entire group. If you just cleared a hard instance non of you had done before in record speed, compliment the group. If the mage nuke crited and the mob didnt flinch off the warrior, compliment the warrior and the mage for nice damage and agro management. If the parties taking on a ratio of 1:1 monsters and the healer keeps everyone alive. compliment the healer.
VampyreKnight, you are overstating your case and blowing this out of proportion. I never said that "the only thing you hear is "wow, our healer is so great."." Look at my post. What did I say?
"Get into the habit of complimenting the healer once or twice a run."
You really went off on this topic, and I'm still trying to figure out why. Yes, if the group succeeds its because everyone did their job. But there's only one person who's not actively killing monsters, and that makes them feel left out.
I've trolled the official Priest forums for quite some time, and one of their eternal frustrations is the fact that healing people takes you out of the fight. Everyone wants to help bring down the monster, it's only natural. But one person out of every 5-man group is sitting back doing a job no one else wants to do. And that's why Priest is the least-played class despite a fairly high level of power.
Should you complement people for doing their jobs well? Absolutely! Just be sure that the healer, priest or otherwise, is in your thoughts. Obviously you're not going to thank the healer if he's messing up-- but if everything is going smoothly, odds are the priest is at least competent, so tell him so. I'm not calling for anything excessive... just once or twice a run is more than enough.
"Get into the habit of complimenting the healer once or twice a run."
You really went off on this topic, and I'm still trying to figure out why. Yes, if the group succeeds its because everyone did their job. But there's only one person who's not actively killing monsters, and that makes them feel left out.
I've trolled the official Priest forums for quite some time, and one of their eternal frustrations is the fact that healing people takes you out of the fight. Everyone wants to help bring down the monster, it's only natural. But one person out of every 5-man group is sitting back doing a job no one else wants to do. And that's why Priest is the least-played class despite a fairly high level of power.
Should you complement people for doing their jobs well? Absolutely! Just be sure that the healer, priest or otherwise, is in your thoughts. Obviously you're not going to thank the healer if he's messing up-- but if everything is going smoothly, odds are the priest is at least competent, so tell him so. I'm not calling for anything excessive... just once or twice a run is more than enough.
If the healer expects a "well done, good healing" he/she better be supplying a "nice hit, good damage" to the melees and a "nice damage on that spell" to the mages.
What's good for one is good for the other.
I'm a melee, I don't expect compliments for doing my job, and I won't give them out to others for doing theirs.
What's good for one is good for the other.
I'm a melee, I don't expect compliments for doing my job, and I won't give them out to others for doing theirs.
There ya go Seo, thats the point.
Not to mention the fact that a healers entire life is not healing others. They can solo just as well as others and can go into PvP pretty well.
Not to mention the fact that a healers entire life is not healing others. They can solo just as well as others and can go into PvP pretty well.
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