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This thread may be too premature to post, but maybe I can get some kind of response.

From what I've read and heard, it is pretty easy to reach the level cap in WoW (compared to FFXI). Because of this Blizzard lets us create 8 characters so that we can try all the classes and such, but I'm wondering that if we are able to reach the level cap so fast, is there a lot more involved quests and such towards the end game?

Also what if I only decide to level couple jobs because of my lack of interest in the other ones.

I know majority of the end game might consist PvP, which is great, but I want something more than just PvP because I think I'll get tired of that sooner or later.

Raids sound real fun too. Forming a group of 40 and ransacking a village or castle seems like something that would happen in the WC world.

If anyone has any conrete things they can add from the beta or just want to post some insightful ideas please feel free.

It'll take them 3 years to get out the first expansion.

It is a very high speculation that hero classes will not be in come retail.

End game if you make it in FFXI is said to be the most fun thing possible.

Besides Kingdom VS kingdom PVP theres huge monster fights and all kinda chaos. also soloing most mobs in the game is easy.

WOW engame is something we will not know about till we get there >< but it is very important since we will be spending most of our time there a few months into the game.

Blizzard has by-and-large not implemented end-game content for the beta testers. Anything they have done they are keeping to themselves.

I have faith though. And I would much rather play this game to 60 eight times than play EQ2 to cap once, based on what I've seen of it.

You know there is a game played time and I wonder if people are using that to show how long it took to get end game. Where as in reality it might say 15 days played you might actually have been playing 4-8 hours a day for a month. I don't believe people will get to levle 60 before one month is up after the game is released and that will only be the hardcore that only care about leveling as fast as possible. I'll probably fall somewhere in between the casual and hardcore and hit the cap in 2-3 months. The casual players will probably hit the cap in about 5-6 months.

Leveling 60 before one month is what the powergamers do. It shouldnt be that hard for them to do it since there all about maxing their time spent on exp and such.

What I don't get is the point of saying "This game wasn't built for powergamers, go play something else if the highend isnt finished". So pretty much they think that anyone who does anything different than them is playing the game "wrong". Same stance could be taken on those that level too slowly in saying that if one part of leveling had a lack of quests or was "incomplete" then they could be told off by saying that this part of the game wasnt "made" for the extreme casual and should go play something else. /fume =)

People, people, relax thy selves. The only way to hit lv 60 in 2 weeks is if you manage to have no life fo literally 2 weeks. The very first person to hit level 60 was a mage and it took 10 days of play time. Thats 240 hours and thats because he rushed through it (probably grinded for hours). If anything, he probably supported himself on quest equipment not to mention he is a mage, the fastest mob killer besides rogue. Add to the fact that was before many, many patches that changed how exp flowed.

Another thing is that most of us were from FFXI and when we look to leveling, we are thinking of leveling at that pace. One thing you guys need to keep in mind is that in FFXI, we have a minimum of 2 to 3 jobs we have to level as oppose to just one. In terms of the leveling pace, WoW is basically the same pace only you are focusing on that 1 job, not 5 others. Also keep in mind that Blizzard is adding content through patches every month by way of new quests and items. I also have little doubt that Blizzard will have a expansion by next year. If you grow bored of your class, just start a new one. Besides, its always nice to see how different classes play in different situations. Also keep in mind that all classes have quests unique to them so that alone is enough to keep me happy till more content is added.

The game is how you make it, people. Since it doesn't really forces you to focus on one aspect of the game, just relax and enjoy yourselves.

Edited, Sun Oct 31 17:27:07 2004 by Redmoonxl

"Besides, its always nice to see how different classes play in different situations. Also keep in mind that all classes have quests unique to them so that alone is enough to keep me happy till more content is added."

Agreed. Additionally, the quests and low-level areas are quite different depending upon your faction. This pretty much converges in the high-end, but at first you're going to be operating in very different areas.

Also agree with the people who talked about Blizzard not opening Raid content until after release. Only one such area/thingie will be available with the next (and probably last) patch: Onyxia. They have lots more in internal testing, such as Ragnaros, Lord of Fire Elementals.

Anyway, is it really just the levels that we do stuff? Do we do quests just because the XP is good? Is the ultimate goal to hit level cap? It never was for me. One of the things I love so much about WoW is that there's stuff to do that's its own reward. Doing quests has an importance beyond the XP or phat lewt that accompanies it. In a similar vein, I wouldn't do Raid content out of hopes of getting "phat lewtz"; I would do it for the prestige of doing it, for being part of a team that killed a dragon, and so on. I'd do it because it's there to be done.

Blizzard is really back-end-loading the content in WoW. A LOT of the stuff there's going to be will require capped players with good equipment. Thus a power-gamer who grinds through the levels quickly will get the chance to do truly epic feats (as part of a large team), whereas a casual gamer can get gratification out of the leveling process. Works for me.

The only games that "end game" stuff gets boring are those that stop expanding etc or are totally based on PLing. Mostly this is SoE type games, like FF11, L2, SWG etc etc. Once you lvled up there really wasnt anything to do cause the whole game was about leveling and once they sell the game they dont care about quality. Bots, imbalances, boringness runs rampant, they dont add many expansions etc. Many people whine about the Expansions EQ had - yeah it was annoying to buy a new game every 2 weeks but hey, it was an awesome game with plenty of zones and new stuff. They added new races totally new zones etc etc. Its better than letting the game atrophy =)

Read this. Commit it to memory. It's the single most important sentence you will read in these forums.


WoW is what you make of it. The Devs will give us a game with some content, what you do with that content is up to you. No one will tell you the wrong or right way to play with that content (since there is no right or wrong way), but if you go into it knowing what's available and go thru what's available so quickly that you run out of things to do...

Honestly, that's your fault, not the devs.

There is only so much that can be included for retail. There is only so much that can be added thru patches. There is only so much that can be added thru expansions. It takes time for the devs to create new content, test it, make sure it works and is balanced with existing content.

Some Nerfs are oh so needed agreed....but the game that can come the closest to balancing the classes for BOTH PvE AND PvP will be the true uber game. Can this be done?

Compairing any game to SWG is like compairing the Olympics to the Special Olympics, you just dont do it.