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There are enough jobs in FFXI you can play solo.
lol you have got to be kidding... there is only ONE job in FFXI you can play solo which is BST. Besides lvl 1-10 as a solo in all jobs.... anything else besides BST no way.
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lol you have got to be kidding... there is only ONE job in FFXI you can play solo which is BST. Besides lvl 1-10 as a solo in all jobs.... anything else besides BST no way.
Good post. Am i the only one here who though city of heroes was cool? :P
Some of the time I couldn't even solo up to L10 (o'course, I was a taru ^_^;;). Quite frankly, I appreciate that WoW has the option to solo or group if you want to, and that one doesn't have to have a certain class in each group.
Another thing that always annoyed me was the checking system, where "easy prey" and "even matches" would be entirely too difficult to fight alone.
Oh, by the way, a lot of us are complaining about FFXI here because we HAVE played it, we EXPERIENCED everything we're talking about, and we DIDN'T enjoy it.
Another thing that always annoyed me was the checking system, where "easy prey" and "even matches" would be entirely too difficult to fight alone.
Oh, by the way, a lot of us are complaining about FFXI here because we HAVE played it, we EXPERIENCED everything we're talking about, and we DIDN'T enjoy it.
Red....you are a genious. Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Red....you are a genious. Took the words right out of my mouth.
I only preach the true, bro. Well, until I'm caught... *looks side to side and jumps through a window*
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[quote]This post doesn't come from a FFXI player but from a 24 years old company owner who doesn't have much time either to play because of girlfrined and work.
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decission.
[quote]This post doesn't come from a FFXI player but from a 24 years old company owner who doesn't have much time either to play because of girlfrined and work.
-I'm guessing this company isn't Hooked on Phonics...
Edited, Mon Oct 25 17:53:02 2004 by Palison
Be kind, Palison. I'm sure I made my mistakes with my posting (too lazy to look through it) as do we all. English could be his second language or maybe he rushed through. *shrugs* Either way he got his point across and so did I. It all works out in the end ^^
LOL.
I was just kidding man. Hopefully a 24 year old business owner can figure it out. ^^
-$.02
I was just kidding man. Hopefully a 24 year old business owner can figure it out. ^^
-$.02
Ok...I agree with what Red said but my big problem with FFXI can be broken down into one word segregation.
FFXI isn't so much one big game as it is just a bunch of small, unincorperated pieces. Gainnig experience nets you no money and no story completion. Getting money gets you no story and no experience. Completing the story gets you no money(or very little) and no experience.
A game shouldn't be a bunch of segmented pieces that don't fit together very well. It should be a world that evelopes you and gently guides you through a rewarding experience. FFXI is not that game.
Now FFXI is the only MMORPG that I've played...but I could tell that this wasn't the way a game like this should be. The story of a game shouldn't start when you're half way to the level cap. And a game shouldn't feel like such a struggle. I don't PAY for a game because I need a new challenge, I have a wife and son for that. I pay for a game to be entertained. And FFXI is neither entertaining or fun.
FFXI isn't so much one big game as it is just a bunch of small, unincorperated pieces. Gainnig experience nets you no money and no story completion. Getting money gets you no story and no experience. Completing the story gets you no money(or very little) and no experience.
A game shouldn't be a bunch of segmented pieces that don't fit together very well. It should be a world that evelopes you and gently guides you through a rewarding experience. FFXI is not that game.
Now FFXI is the only MMORPG that I've played...but I could tell that this wasn't the way a game like this should be. The story of a game shouldn't start when you're half way to the level cap. And a game shouldn't feel like such a struggle. I don't PAY for a game because I need a new challenge, I have a wife and son for that. I pay for a game to be entertained. And FFXI is neither entertaining or fun.
yes...
i quit ff online and i never looked back.
i quit ff online and i never looked back.
It would be better if WoW grouping system is like EQ2, where you can solo and get DECENT exp, but grouping will bring you more exp. Instead of WoW where grouping gives you MUCH LESS exp, than soloing, which actually discourage people from grouping.
LOL..if SE jump the boat, they are going to ***** ALL the european players. The game was just released in Europe, and if SE were to give up on FFXI in less than a year after the release, the Europeans will be uber pissed..
Another thing i would like to add to redmoonxl's post is the customer service and the company. SOE has a very bad reputation currently, so i dare not play their MMORPGs. I also would probably not dare to play any MMORPG made by SE, but i will still continue to buy and play their console RPG series. Blizzard seems to be the best and most trusted company so far. Their games have no lack of quality, and they LISTEN to their fan base.
Blizzard also has the best customer service i ever seen. I remember when i was playing FFXI, i send countless emails to SE, but i got 0 replys. I thought that this was very normal to a big company, so i couldnt care less. When i send an email to blizzard about something, i was EXTREMELY shocked to recieve a reply from them. I was thinking, "whoa..even such a big company pays attention to everyone of their fanbase, and every smallfry, truly amazing"
Edited, Tue Oct 26 02:59:40 2004 by Seiferseph
Edited, Tue Oct 26 03:00:33 2004 by Seiferseph
Another thing i would like to add to redmoonxl's post is the customer service and the company. SOE has a very bad reputation currently, so i dare not play their MMORPGs. I also would probably not dare to play any MMORPG made by SE, but i will still continue to buy and play their console RPG series. Blizzard seems to be the best and most trusted company so far. Their games have no lack of quality, and they LISTEN to their fan base.
Blizzard also has the best customer service i ever seen. I remember when i was playing FFXI, i send countless emails to SE, but i got 0 replys. I thought that this was very normal to a big company, so i couldnt care less. When i send an email to blizzard about something, i was EXTREMELY shocked to recieve a reply from them. I was thinking, "whoa..even such a big company pays attention to everyone of their fanbase, and every smallfry, truly amazing"
Edited, Tue Oct 26 02:59:40 2004 by Seiferseph
Edited, Tue Oct 26 03:00:33 2004 by Seiferseph
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Hi, I play FFXI, not here to start a war or any thing...
Just had to say the truth does indeeed hurt and most of the players on ps2 are 15+ so they are the ones to rate the posts down(But not all).
I have played since pc release, no this is not my first mmo but it's the one I have played the longest... Not exactly sure why though... maybe because I have a lot of RL friends that play.
Well I wont take up your time with our problems here thats for our server forums.
Remember they are just games ^^
Just had to say the truth does indeeed hurt and most of the players on ps2 are 15+ so they are the ones to rate the posts down(But not all).
I have played since pc release, no this is not my first mmo but it's the one I have played the longest... Not exactly sure why though... maybe because I have a lot of RL friends that play.
Well I wont take up your time with our problems here thats for our server forums.
Remember they are just games ^^
I think I was one of the highest pallys on my server when I quit (was about 7 months ago, I was lvl67 I think). The amount of time I spent looking for parties, and grinding was really excessive. And when I think that I was a pally, with no problems of getting groups, I can't even imagine other classes looking for groups at lvl65ish. FFXI was fun WHEN I was grouped and we did some cool quests, etc. But when I realized that I spent 10% of my time having fun, and 90% wasting it - I quit.
Having a lvl50 Warrior in WoW (haven't had much time to play beta and cap him), I would say that I spend 85% having fun and 15% travelling/selling/looking for groups. If I can't find a group to do some quest in 5-10 mins, I go solo. A lot of times while I solo, I hear people looking for groups for the same quest and we create a party. That is one of the best things about WoW. Yes, in many quests you ARE forced into groups (most of elite quests), but any class can be part of it (no perfect set up), and if you can't find a group, you can solo around the area waiting for more people to come.
Another cool part is that soloing can be actually better XP than grouping (but grouping gives you better quest rewards and is more fun generally).
So, to sum it up, in FFXI - 10% of fun, 90% wasted. In WoW - 85% of fun, 15% doing boring stuff (running, figuiring out wtf to do (some quests are confusing at times), etc).
PS. Going to school and working full time - would be impossible if I played FFXI. In WoW I can log in for 30 mins and do some quests/get some XP or I can play all day. I don'tneed to schedule my time around the game; I schedule the game around my RL job and school.
Having a lvl50 Warrior in WoW (haven't had much time to play beta and cap him), I would say that I spend 85% having fun and 15% travelling/selling/looking for groups. If I can't find a group to do some quest in 5-10 mins, I go solo. A lot of times while I solo, I hear people looking for groups for the same quest and we create a party. That is one of the best things about WoW. Yes, in many quests you ARE forced into groups (most of elite quests), but any class can be part of it (no perfect set up), and if you can't find a group, you can solo around the area waiting for more people to come.
Another cool part is that soloing can be actually better XP than grouping (but grouping gives you better quest rewards and is more fun generally).
So, to sum it up, in FFXI - 10% of fun, 90% wasted. In WoW - 85% of fun, 15% doing boring stuff (running, figuiring out wtf to do (some quests are confusing at times), etc).
PS. Going to school and working full time - would be impossible if I played FFXI. In WoW I can log in for 30 mins and do some quests/get some XP or I can play all day. I don'tneed to schedule my time around the game; I schedule the game around my RL job and school.
The moment I decided to quit was when I read about that level 65 is the halfway point to the lvl 75 limit. I find that absurd considering that the original game shipped with a level 50 limit. SE, instead of putting in more and various end-game content to entice higher level players, simply decided more more more grind.
And I absolutely agree about those points about how disconnected the leveling, money-making, and story-line aspects are. People wonder why people buy gil, and why the gil-selling market is so successful. I have friends that have played much longer than I have and have made a lot of money through gardening, mining, and etc. asking me what I thought of them buying gil. I replied that when you can even entertain spending real money for gil, you should start to question if the game is worth all the effort.
The perfect party syndrome is a drag as well, and seeing that the newer games are a LOT more flexible on the party setups is certainly welcoming. Although as a PLD, my seek times were relatively low, it still didn't matter if enough people weren't looking for a group. It doesn't help that there are Japanese players who cop out of partying with NA (the fact that this word has definitely negative connotations should indicate something as well) because of a language 'preference' or whatever justification they use. The auto-translator is good enough for all tactics, etc.
And to cap it all off, the game is horribly slow. The battles, traveling, and overall movement, it's very slow. I've read up on WOW and EQ2, and both player bases have said it feels like you're accomplishing 10x more in the same amount of time as in FFXI. It's a real shame, because stylistically, I think FFXI is the best one out there, and the little parts of the story from the missions/quests I got from it were enjoyable. I just don't feel like grinding it out to level 65+ so I can begin to enjoy the story was worth it at all.
And I absolutely agree about those points about how disconnected the leveling, money-making, and story-line aspects are. People wonder why people buy gil, and why the gil-selling market is so successful. I have friends that have played much longer than I have and have made a lot of money through gardening, mining, and etc. asking me what I thought of them buying gil. I replied that when you can even entertain spending real money for gil, you should start to question if the game is worth all the effort.
The perfect party syndrome is a drag as well, and seeing that the newer games are a LOT more flexible on the party setups is certainly welcoming. Although as a PLD, my seek times were relatively low, it still didn't matter if enough people weren't looking for a group. It doesn't help that there are Japanese players who cop out of partying with NA (the fact that this word has definitely negative connotations should indicate something as well) because of a language 'preference' or whatever justification they use. The auto-translator is good enough for all tactics, etc.
And to cap it all off, the game is horribly slow. The battles, traveling, and overall movement, it's very slow. I've read up on WOW and EQ2, and both player bases have said it feels like you're accomplishing 10x more in the same amount of time as in FFXI. It's a real shame, because stylistically, I think FFXI is the best one out there, and the little parts of the story from the missions/quests I got from it were enjoyable. I just don't feel like grinding it out to level 65+ so I can begin to enjoy the story was worth it at all.
For all who have posted and all who read this thread.
It is not that FFXI players feel threatened at all. A long while back when WoW first started moving into Allakhazam people started going over there a making posts about why FFXI sucked. 90% of their posts were opinion and presented in a very childish manner.
It wasn't until much later that a more mature crowd of posters trying to compare the 2 games (in the FFXI Forums) came, and they recieve all the backlash.
Sure there are is a small millitia of Fan's who defend their game like gold, but who can blame them. Almost the same happens here (however I haven't seen many posts like that yet alone mature ones) when someone attacks WoW. There has been a couple of actually informative posters that have made posts in the FFXI forum trying to look at what both have instead of trying to make 1 seem better then the other.
However instead of people trying to tell them they were wrong the entire thread got derailed. One such thread came from Redmoonxl. Instead of people coming in and saying WoW sucked and FFXI rocked people came in and said Blizzard sucked.
Personally after Open Beta I will know if I am leaving FFXI, but here are my top 3 reasons for getting tired of it.
1. Forced Grouping (I like parties, but I also like to solo for xp sometimes)
2. Gil (In an economy where people can spend 2 weeks farming is sick)
3. Sub Jobs
As for number 3.. well... At first it was an inventive idea. Having to buy "proper" equipment to level my sub job so I can go back to my main job which has "proper" equipment wears me down to no end. I have gotten to the point where I just want to play my main, but I know I won't get a party without leveling that sub.
FFXI is not better then WoW is not better then FFXI. Both are games that deliver very different content that cater to different crowds. Alot of FF Fans tried FFXI and it turned out not to be their cup of tea. So alot now having felt that MMORPG's can be fun are flocking to others.
It is not that FFXI players feel threatened at all. A long while back when WoW first started moving into Allakhazam people started going over there a making posts about why FFXI sucked. 90% of their posts were opinion and presented in a very childish manner.
It wasn't until much later that a more mature crowd of posters trying to compare the 2 games (in the FFXI Forums) came, and they recieve all the backlash.
Sure there are is a small millitia of Fan's who defend their game like gold, but who can blame them. Almost the same happens here (however I haven't seen many posts like that yet alone mature ones) when someone attacks WoW. There has been a couple of actually informative posters that have made posts in the FFXI forum trying to look at what both have instead of trying to make 1 seem better then the other.
However instead of people trying to tell them they were wrong the entire thread got derailed. One such thread came from Redmoonxl. Instead of people coming in and saying WoW sucked and FFXI rocked people came in and said Blizzard sucked.
Personally after Open Beta I will know if I am leaving FFXI, but here are my top 3 reasons for getting tired of it.
1. Forced Grouping (I like parties, but I also like to solo for xp sometimes)
2. Gil (In an economy where people can spend 2 weeks farming is sick)
3. Sub Jobs
As for number 3.. well... At first it was an inventive idea. Having to buy "proper" equipment to level my sub job so I can go back to my main job which has "proper" equipment wears me down to no end. I have gotten to the point where I just want to play my main, but I know I won't get a party without leveling that sub.
FFXI is not better then WoW is not better then FFXI. Both are games that deliver very different content that cater to different crowds. Alot of FF Fans tried FFXI and it turned out not to be their cup of tea. So alot now having felt that MMORPG's can be fun are flocking to others.
It is sad but true that the reason I do not want to just get rid of Sparkle is because I invested hours and hours and a lot of cash in her.
I do no longer have fun playing that game.
It was fun for the first 2 months when I never had played such a game before it was great, and lvling 1-30 was fun! Then it got montonaus. Every lvl the same thing the same mobs the same hours and hours to get gil to get items and spells you absolutely had to have to get anywhere in the game.
It is no longer fun.
It is ridiculous how much time is needed to get 100k I believe it took me 1-2 weeks? But yet you HAVE ot have that kinda cash to get spells, because BCNM was impossible to do alone.
Games that are built on ONLY party leveling suck.
Period.
Games that are built entirely on exp capping at 300 exp yet you need 20k tnl... SUCK.
Period.
Games that jump from 7700 tnl to 10,000 tnl also suck. Programmers need to learn to add and subtract >.>
If I am paying 12 dollars a month I should NOT have to sit 2 hrs waiting for a bunch of other idiots paying 12 dollars a month to do something to get something that only I need.
I do no longer have fun playing that game.
It was fun for the first 2 months when I never had played such a game before it was great, and lvling 1-30 was fun! Then it got montonaus. Every lvl the same thing the same mobs the same hours and hours to get gil to get items and spells you absolutely had to have to get anywhere in the game.
It is no longer fun.
It is ridiculous how much time is needed to get 100k I believe it took me 1-2 weeks? But yet you HAVE ot have that kinda cash to get spells, because BCNM was impossible to do alone.
Games that are built on ONLY party leveling suck.
Period.
Games that are built entirely on exp capping at 300 exp yet you need 20k tnl... SUCK.
Period.
Games that jump from 7700 tnl to 10,000 tnl also suck. Programmers need to learn to add and subtract >.>
If I am paying 12 dollars a month I should NOT have to sit 2 hrs waiting for a bunch of other idiots paying 12 dollars a month to do something to get something that only I need.
Holy crap wow FFXI ppl rated me down good lmao I didnt even notice till just now >.>
Sorry you got rated down Princess. If I could rate you up I would.
You never did say by the way, if you were going to come to WoW or not. If Sparkle is only 53 then that means you're not even halfway to 75, exp wise.
I say ditch the losers and come hang with the boozers. You'll have more fun here, and the world can always use another healer. ^^
-$.02
You never did say by the way, if you were going to come to WoW or not. If Sparkle is only 53 then that means you're not even halfway to 75, exp wise.
I say ditch the losers and come hang with the boozers. You'll have more fun here, and the world can always use another healer. ^^
-$.02
Trust me Sparkle I feel your pain. This is my second character to have gotten to 30 in FFXI.
I originally played an Elvaan RDM, got him to 30 and then got various other jobs to 20 (including BST to 18).
I quit being fed up with alot of things in FFXI, Gil being my main one at the time. So I went and played City Of Hero's for a month, and realized so many things that I didn't really like about FFXI.
Well after the while I felt the hit of losing my Medieval/Fantasy world and decided to give FFXI another try. I deleted my RDM (liquidating his assets) and started a Tarutaru BLM (who was now the richest lvl 1). Well after losing 2.2k worth of xp trying to get to level 10 (being that it sucks *** soloing to 10 in FFXI but you have NO choice) I liquidated that character and started a Hume.
I thought for awhile and decided to try Thf on for size. Well it seems I LOVE the Thf job. I also have Whm up to about 19-20 now as well. However I (as stated above) hate leveling a sub job just so I can play my Thf. I don't want to get into a party with an underleveled Sub since I know from my own experience it can hurt you in the long run.
So i'm stuck not leveling my sub and not playing my Thf, and farming in FFXI sucks since it takes so long to make a measely 100k and it only lasts 1 level of your character (if that).
I originally played an Elvaan RDM, got him to 30 and then got various other jobs to 20 (including BST to 18).
I quit being fed up with alot of things in FFXI, Gil being my main one at the time. So I went and played City Of Hero's for a month, and realized so many things that I didn't really like about FFXI.
Well after the while I felt the hit of losing my Medieval/Fantasy world and decided to give FFXI another try. I deleted my RDM (liquidating his assets) and started a Tarutaru BLM (who was now the richest lvl 1). Well after losing 2.2k worth of xp trying to get to level 10 (being that it sucks *** soloing to 10 in FFXI but you have NO choice) I liquidated that character and started a Hume.
I thought for awhile and decided to try Thf on for size. Well it seems I LOVE the Thf job. I also have Whm up to about 19-20 now as well. However I (as stated above) hate leveling a sub job just so I can play my Thf. I don't want to get into a party with an underleveled Sub since I know from my own experience it can hurt you in the long run.
So i'm stuck not leveling my sub and not playing my Thf, and farming in FFXI sucks since it takes so long to make a measely 100k and it only lasts 1 level of your character (if that).
*looks from above while rubbing his hands in a menacing matter*
Good, good...All is going according to plan! Mwahahahahahaha! Ahhh! *trips and falls all the way down*
Good, good...All is going according to plan! Mwahahahahahaha! Ahhh! *trips and falls all the way down*
I think we all owe one to FF11 though. I still stab the box with a knife when im stressed out. Its satisfying and has probably spared innocent lives.
In fairness, I still have my FFXI CDs unharmed waiting for the day where the game finally comes together and becomes great once again. Given the circumstances, Square has within a month to achieve this. *puts up a clock* Once WoW is out, I have no choice to continue my ritual for ridding the taint that is FFXI from my house... *places the FFXI CDs under a shaman totem and dances around*
Oh wow thanks. When WoW comes out I probably will just totally quit ffxi, I've already preordered my collectors edition (-crosses fingers for the pet being a dragon -drool- and prepares wall for map hehe). I'm still bummed I didnt get into open beta (I came REALLY close to shelling out 300 bucks for an account XD) up until the point I was accepted for the 7 (10) day stress test I was still giving FFXI the old hard college try, though I had begun to do that weekly vaction thing needed every few days after you get so fustrated you want to kill everyone in game.
But after playing WoW (by the way did I mention I was bashing my friend for even daring to think WoW could POSSIBLY be better the FFXI?) one hour I realized... ***** FFXI it totally utterly sucks. I then worked on lvling my Shaman and never once did I not have fun... even dying from accidently falling out of Thunder Bluff (doh) or being killed by that rougue human >.>.
I stopped playing FFXI after that save for logging in to PWLVL friends or get a lvl now and again.
I can understand how some ppl are like... pissy over the WoW thing from FFXI they are probably like I was first MMORPG nothing could ever be better! But if they are also like me and at least give WoW a try FFXI is going to die. Sorry. One hour changed me from a WoW Sux0rz FFXI ownz joo person to a I HATE FFXI go WOW person >.>
I then had to apologize to my friend for being a butt head about it.
WoW Ownz j00 you Square-Enix, its your turn to bend over!
PS: BTW that stabbing the FFXI box was a good idea. Way better then paxil!
EDIT: ;-; I was 4+ for a bit there.... DAMN YOU TROLLS! GET A LIFE!
Edited, Sun Oct 31 20:16:46 2004 by DiamondRayna
But after playing WoW (by the way did I mention I was bashing my friend for even daring to think WoW could POSSIBLY be better the FFXI?) one hour I realized... ***** FFXI it totally utterly sucks. I then worked on lvling my Shaman and never once did I not have fun... even dying from accidently falling out of Thunder Bluff (doh) or being killed by that rougue human >.>.
I stopped playing FFXI after that save for logging in to PWLVL friends or get a lvl now and again.
I can understand how some ppl are like... pissy over the WoW thing from FFXI they are probably like I was first MMORPG nothing could ever be better! But if they are also like me and at least give WoW a try FFXI is going to die. Sorry. One hour changed me from a WoW Sux0rz FFXI ownz joo person to a I HATE FFXI go WOW person >.>
I then had to apologize to my friend for being a butt head about it.
WoW Ownz j00 you Square-Enix, its your turn to bend over!
PS: BTW that stabbing the FFXI box was a good idea. Way better then paxil!
EDIT: ;-; I was 4+ for a bit there.... DAMN YOU TROLLS! GET A LIFE!
Edited, Sun Oct 31 20:16:46 2004 by DiamondRayna
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Alright, rebuttle time!!! *flexes and calls upon the powers of the gaming gods*
Why FFXI is a bad game.
Parties? Yes, parties make FFXI a bad game. Why? Simple, because the game's take on the class system made it so that certain class would get ahead faster then the rest. This leads to what I like to call a "seeking time sink". If you are not in need, you will not progress. Players do not enjoy the fact that they have a character they cannot improve because their job type is not wanted at all.
It doesn't help that the game itself forces you to group, neither. Granted this is a MMO but as a lv 50 I shouldn't need a person to hold me by the hand to get a small amount of EXP so I can level. I shouldn't have to summon a army of people to get 3 dumbass items with a outstandingly awful drop rate to progress pass a level cap. People say things like this are "challenges", test of skills that needs to be confronted in order to progress. Here, let me put it my way: FFXI REQUIRES NO SKILL!!! Beating Resident Evil with a knife only takes skill. Beating Ninja Gaiden takes skill (seriously, that game is insanely hard...) Completely the water temple in Zelda: OOT takes skill. Searching for a party takes no skill nor does killing the same monster over and over again for a drop/exp. Those are just tests of tedium, a **** poor way to "extend the life" of a MMO.
NMs? Yes, NMs make FFXI a bad game. Their drops are required in parties. Melees will need Snipers while Mages will need MP gear. How is this done? Simple, to camp the monsters that drop them or camping monsters with expensive drops for cash. That's right, you still have to camp. Guess what, you are not alone. Face it, the fastest way in the short term to gain money in FFXI is camping NMs. The economy revolves around NM drops. You will be considered gimped if you are not wearing NM drops and you will be considered poor if you do not sell drops. This leads to a massive time sink where you will have to stop playing the game and farm for months to get the said item or hours upon hours of camping to get the said item. Do you feel that this makes the game more competitive? More exciting? I, along with the rest of the members of this board, do not. I want to earn my keep, not play the tedium game to get it. I am so happy that the devs at Blizzard made all "uber" gear drops untradeable in any way, shape or form and must be earned through questing and the such. This eliminates one whole problem with the genre itself and I'm amazed that it took this long to get it done.
Money? Yes, money makes FFXI a bad game. Hopefully you are not blind to what is happening in FFXI, Bean. The economy is destroyed. We have people selling gil ingame, we have bots that hold control of the NM market and we have items that now sell for 3x what they originally sold for when I first started (November of 2003). Square does nothing to solve this problem, which is as easy as making improved versions of the current top items and make them EX/rare and encouraging NPC business dealing. The players have used and abused what was once FFXI's greatest feature, the auction house, and drove it to the ground making people either buy gil through actual money, farm for hours or deal with the frustration of going through the NM hunter deal.
Also, we barely complain about changes to the game such as nerfs. We are fully aware the game changes and in order to meet that change, we must find new way to enjoy the game. Unfortunately, FFXI went from wonderful to crap so quickly that we couldn't take it anymore. Square see this themselves and is at work on a new MMO. I predict that Square will be jumping boat pretty soon because the game is currently beyond repair. It doesn't help that Square released a lackluster expansion pack that could have been given through a patch.
What can I tell you about WoW? Well, let me first state that I have played my fair share of MMOs. After FFXI, I played City of Heroes and Dark Age of Camalot. Both I stopped after the first month. I expect something from my MMOs, fun. We all remember fun, right? I don't want my GAME that I am paying for to feel like job number 2 or 3. I have become very jaded as a gamer thanks to FFXI and expect my fun within the first hour of gameplay or I simply will not play. I played Lineage 2 open beta for an hour and concluded that the game was a loss. Guess I was right, eh?
I can tell you that WoW gave me that fun within that hour and then some. I have played the stress test and it did something that even FFXI didn't do for me: it made me enjoy the time spent. Nothing felt like a waste of time nor was it. I could do whatever I want without needing to bring an army to tackle a tea party. Its what I expect as a gamer, easy out of the box and fun within your first moments entering the world. It eliminates the problems that I stated about FFXI and takes what WOW could not get rid of and made it barable.
Just because you can do things on your own doesn't make WoW a simple RPG. You claim you played other MMOs so you should know that other games in the genre allow for similar freedoms, moreso then FFXI. Granted they were not executed well but at least the freedom is there. In WoW, it is executed well and it is enjoyable. Let me once again tell you WoW IS a MMO: You level up, you play with 2,000 to 3,000 players(sometimes more) and you pay to play. Simply put so don't come and dictate what it is and isn't.
Can someone please explain the need to play a game for a year to decide actually be able to judge it? Can someone do the same to why you need a high level? Let me put it in very simple words: If the game sucks, it sucks. I don't want 50% of my game to be good, I want a bare minimum of 100%. If low to mid levels suck, then the game suck. If the high level sucks, then the game sucks. I do not buy games to have fun with only half of the game. If all games in the genre ends up doing it, then the industry is as good as dead.
There is a reason that MMOs are not fully celebrated throughout the entire world with millions of players that you can find across all countries: MMOs simply are hard to get into. People complain about WoW being too easy and too "fast" but in order for the genre to step foward is to make things less tedious and more accessible. This attracts more casual players. Not everybody has time to play for hours and the time we have better be rewarded ingame. If MMOs in the future does not do this, then the genre will go the way of the strictly 2d platformers.
WoW will be "uber". It is better then FFXI. In fact, it's better then all other MMOs. Why? Simply because it is the only MMO aside City of Heroes to a lesser extent that took the problems with games like FFXI and fixed them (or at least attempted to). You come on and dictate what a MMO should be. There is a reason for that: The MMOs you've played are the same (aside PSO, which is more of a Diablo you pay for rather then a MMO) You saw the formula done 4 times and probably concluded that the old formula is the only formula. If all genres in gaming stood with just one formula, the industry would crash like the late 70s/early 80s. This cannot be the case nor will it be here. Granted there is the old in WoW but it's mixed with the new that makes it different then the rest. If you just want the old, I'm sure FFXI will hold you well, if not play EQ2. I heard the game takes grinding to a new realm of pain.
Please, take this as a rant. I want you, along with the "elite" others, to open up your minds and think about what this genre can and will become. Games that stick to the old tedium will not be played, which is why we are not playing FFXI anymore.
I also speak as a 21 year old that works at night but has plenty of time in my hands to shape my future with. I don't want to spend it all on a game that basically tells me that I need to waste it all to actually play the game at the fullest. Pfft, if I want to waste my time I'll go out drinking. At least I'll have a better time getting drunk, get hit by a car only to be carried off to a ugly chick's house named Lardra and wake up to a bed filled untold horrors and a hangover then farming for my 50th hour to get enough gil to get a item that doesn't even exist.
/rant off
Why FFXI is a bad game.
Parties? Yes, parties make FFXI a bad game. Why? Simple, because the game's take on the class system made it so that certain class would get ahead faster then the rest. This leads to what I like to call a "seeking time sink". If you are not in need, you will not progress. Players do not enjoy the fact that they have a character they cannot improve because their job type is not wanted at all.
It doesn't help that the game itself forces you to group, neither. Granted this is a MMO but as a lv 50 I shouldn't need a person to hold me by the hand to get a small amount of EXP so I can level. I shouldn't have to summon a army of people to get 3 dumbass items with a outstandingly awful drop rate to progress pass a level cap. People say things like this are "challenges", test of skills that needs to be confronted in order to progress. Here, let me put it my way: FFXI REQUIRES NO SKILL!!! Beating Resident Evil with a knife only takes skill. Beating Ninja Gaiden takes skill (seriously, that game is insanely hard...) Completely the water temple in Zelda: OOT takes skill. Searching for a party takes no skill nor does killing the same monster over and over again for a drop/exp. Those are just tests of tedium, a **** poor way to "extend the life" of a MMO.
NMs? Yes, NMs make FFXI a bad game. Their drops are required in parties. Melees will need Snipers while Mages will need MP gear. How is this done? Simple, to camp the monsters that drop them or camping monsters with expensive drops for cash. That's right, you still have to camp. Guess what, you are not alone. Face it, the fastest way in the short term to gain money in FFXI is camping NMs. The economy revolves around NM drops. You will be considered gimped if you are not wearing NM drops and you will be considered poor if you do not sell drops. This leads to a massive time sink where you will have to stop playing the game and farm for months to get the said item or hours upon hours of camping to get the said item. Do you feel that this makes the game more competitive? More exciting? I, along with the rest of the members of this board, do not. I want to earn my keep, not play the tedium game to get it. I am so happy that the devs at Blizzard made all "uber" gear drops untradeable in any way, shape or form and must be earned through questing and the such. This eliminates one whole problem with the genre itself and I'm amazed that it took this long to get it done.
Money? Yes, money makes FFXI a bad game. Hopefully you are not blind to what is happening in FFXI, Bean. The economy is destroyed. We have people selling gil ingame, we have bots that hold control of the NM market and we have items that now sell for 3x what they originally sold for when I first started (November of 2003). Square does nothing to solve this problem, which is as easy as making improved versions of the current top items and make them EX/rare and encouraging NPC business dealing. The players have used and abused what was once FFXI's greatest feature, the auction house, and drove it to the ground making people either buy gil through actual money, farm for hours or deal with the frustration of going through the NM hunter deal.
Also, we barely complain about changes to the game such as nerfs. We are fully aware the game changes and in order to meet that change, we must find new way to enjoy the game. Unfortunately, FFXI went from wonderful to crap so quickly that we couldn't take it anymore. Square see this themselves and is at work on a new MMO. I predict that Square will be jumping boat pretty soon because the game is currently beyond repair. It doesn't help that Square released a lackluster expansion pack that could have been given through a patch.
What can I tell you about WoW? Well, let me first state that I have played my fair share of MMOs. After FFXI, I played City of Heroes and Dark Age of Camalot. Both I stopped after the first month. I expect something from my MMOs, fun. We all remember fun, right? I don't want my GAME that I am paying for to feel like job number 2 or 3. I have become very jaded as a gamer thanks to FFXI and expect my fun within the first hour of gameplay or I simply will not play. I played Lineage 2 open beta for an hour and concluded that the game was a loss. Guess I was right, eh?
I can tell you that WoW gave me that fun within that hour and then some. I have played the stress test and it did something that even FFXI didn't do for me: it made me enjoy the time spent. Nothing felt like a waste of time nor was it. I could do whatever I want without needing to bring an army to tackle a tea party. Its what I expect as a gamer, easy out of the box and fun within your first moments entering the world. It eliminates the problems that I stated about FFXI and takes what WOW could not get rid of and made it barable.
Just because you can do things on your own doesn't make WoW a simple RPG. You claim you played other MMOs so you should know that other games in the genre allow for similar freedoms, moreso then FFXI. Granted they were not executed well but at least the freedom is there. In WoW, it is executed well and it is enjoyable. Let me once again tell you WoW IS a MMO: You level up, you play with 2,000 to 3,000 players(sometimes more) and you pay to play. Simply put so don't come and dictate what it is and isn't.
Can someone please explain the need to play a game for a year to decide actually be able to judge it? Can someone do the same to why you need a high level? Let me put it in very simple words: If the game sucks, it sucks. I don't want 50% of my game to be good, I want a bare minimum of 100%. If low to mid levels suck, then the game suck. If the high level sucks, then the game sucks. I do not buy games to have fun with only half of the game. If all games in the genre ends up doing it, then the industry is as good as dead.
There is a reason that MMOs are not fully celebrated throughout the entire world with millions of players that you can find across all countries: MMOs simply are hard to get into. People complain about WoW being too easy and too "fast" but in order for the genre to step foward is to make things less tedious and more accessible. This attracts more casual players. Not everybody has time to play for hours and the time we have better be rewarded ingame. If MMOs in the future does not do this, then the genre will go the way of the strictly 2d platformers.
WoW will be "uber". It is better then FFXI. In fact, it's better then all other MMOs. Why? Simply because it is the only MMO aside City of Heroes to a lesser extent that took the problems with games like FFXI and fixed them (or at least attempted to). You come on and dictate what a MMO should be. There is a reason for that: The MMOs you've played are the same (aside PSO, which is more of a Diablo you pay for rather then a MMO) You saw the formula done 4 times and probably concluded that the old formula is the only formula. If all genres in gaming stood with just one formula, the industry would crash like the late 70s/early 80s. This cannot be the case nor will it be here. Granted there is the old in WoW but it's mixed with the new that makes it different then the rest. If you just want the old, I'm sure FFXI will hold you well, if not play EQ2. I heard the game takes grinding to a new realm of pain.
Please, take this as a rant. I want you, along with the "elite" others, to open up your minds and think about what this genre can and will become. Games that stick to the old tedium will not be played, which is why we are not playing FFXI anymore.
I also speak as a 21 year old that works at night but has plenty of time in my hands to shape my future with. I don't want to spend it all on a game that basically tells me that I need to waste it all to actually play the game at the fullest. Pfft, if I want to waste my time I'll go out drinking. At least I'll have a better time getting drunk, get hit by a car only to be carried off to a ugly chick's house named Lardra and wake up to a bed filled untold horrors and a hangover then farming for my 50th hour to get enough gil to get a item that doesn't even exist.
/rant off
:)))
You're my friggin hero.
That's something I'd write if I had the patience to do so right now, which, of course, I don't.
rate up ^^
Edit: I wrote "write now" >_<
Edited, Sun Oct 31 20:23:27 2004 by Ahtnamas
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