I think this is largely funny check out every other Alla game section and their forums aren't littered with people saying I'm quitting I'm going to WoW or EQ2!! Yet the FF forums always have at least 2-3 of these topics on the first page at any given time.
As one recent topic here pointed out everytime anyone says anything about FF and its flaws or EQ2 or WoW they are rated down into oblivion. Almost every post I've seen with a complaint is very valid and true and everyone knows it. Why do FF players feel so threatened and other MMO's don't?
I'm going to make an *** out of myself and assume mosta the posters on that board are 18+ so I'm going to assume they are intelligent enough to know they are making valid points. Why do they feel the need to rate down the truth? sheesh
I'm gonna assume here that FF players know what a POS FFXI is compared to most well planned MMO's and know that aside from PS2 players and the FF fanatics that its population will take a dip.. Probably not a large one but it will be noticeable. Shouldn't they be overjoyed? All the "whiners" they so much hate will be gone. Less competition farming for hours of fun in Zi'tah. What's everyone elses take on this subject I find it kinda funny. I'd post a similar topic on the FF boards but I'd rather keep my karma above 1.0 lol.
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Im assuming they are probably like me...... with FFXI you either love it or you hate it... there really is no middle ground from the conversations ive had and the friends i still communicate with who quit FFXI..
That game is really a disgrace to FF in general. I bought it assuming it would have a lot in common with the franchise. Boy was I wrong. The only thing FFXI has in common with the others is that you have chocobo's and moogle's, thats it. I wont go into great detail of my deep dislike for that game. I actually played it sinces its North American release.
On second thought we should start a FFXI bashing thread!
Since that game is so fundamentaly bad it should provide a good topic.
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me- "I bought the new FFXI expansion just to have something to do until Open Beta for WoW starts.
Friend- "Umm.... I thought we were playing Minesweeper?.."
Me- "Solitaire anyone?"
Gameness- Mithra Paladin
/em was defeated by Square-Enix
That game is really a disgrace to FF in general. I bought it assuming it would have a lot in common with the franchise. Boy was I wrong. The only thing FFXI has in common with the others is that you have chocobo's and moogle's, thats it. I wont go into great detail of my deep dislike for that game. I actually played it sinces its North American release.
On second thought we should start a FFXI bashing thread!
Since that game is so fundamentaly bad it should provide a good topic.
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me- "I bought the new FFXI expansion just to have something to do until Open Beta for WoW starts.
Friend- "Umm.... I thought we were playing Minesweeper?.."
Me- "Solitaire anyone?"
Gameness- Mithra Paladin
/em was defeated by Square-Enix
it is not so much you posting something on the FFXI forums that bash the game, it is about you posting something that isnt praising it, you will get rated down.
Square-Enix does little to improve the game. The last expansion could be considered crap for what little it added, but everyone acts like it is the next best thing since sliced bread.
Square-Enix does little to improve the game. The last expansion could be considered crap for what little it added, but everyone acts like it is the next best thing since sliced bread.
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I agree the expansion was so....stupid. It adds nothing but more ways to waste your time and to keep you paying with little or no feeling of accomplishment or reward.
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me- "I bought the new FFXI expansion just to have something to do until Open Beta for WoW starts.
Friend- "Umm.... I thought we were playing Minesweeper?.."
Me- "Solitaire anyone?"
Gameness- Mithra Paladin
/em was defeated by Square-Enix
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me- "I bought the new FFXI expansion just to have something to do until Open Beta for WoW starts.
Friend- "Umm.... I thought we were playing Minesweeper?.."
Me- "Solitaire anyone?"
Gameness- Mithra Paladin
/em was defeated by Square-Enix
now SE is planning another MMORPG...
http://www.playonline.com/fe/
they definitely need to stick to working on what they already have...
http://www.playonline.com/fe/
they definitely need to stick to working on what they already have...
You have to also remember that for alot of these people its the only MMO they've played. So they Might actually think its a great MMO since they have nothing to compare it to. Also people are going to protect it just from the fact its an FF game (which it really isnt, they could have called it tales of vanadiel and noone would have even known it was FF.)
Fantasy Earth (or whatever it is called) seems to be a perverts dream come true. oversized breasts, and too revealing clothing. I can see that failing after only a few months, IF it actually makes it to retail.
Fantasy Earth looks good but it looks like a Asia only release atm.
In response to SE needing to work on what they have instead of making a new MMO, I think they might be done with FFXI. There seems to be this idea slowly filtering through the message boards that CoP was the completion of the story line SE had set out for FFXI.
Now some people have argued that as long as people are willing to pay for the game SE will keep putting out content for it. I've heard people claim that SE is still going to introduce PvP into the game. I guess it could happen but why has it taken so long?
I personally think FFXI is nothing more than one big time sink after another. There's very little story until you get at least half way to the level cap and advancing the story doesn't help you level or make money. Everything in the game is split into it's own little separate area instead of being seemlessly integrated like it should be. Want to gain a couple of levels...not going to make any money or get any story line doing it. Need to make some cash...no experience or story there. Want to find out about the story...no money or experience. These parts of the game shouldn't be divided from each other.
But, when your game is light on content you have to find some way to stretch it out so people keep sending you their monthly fees. I guess segmenting the game is all SE could come up with. And I know this is only one of the many problems with FFXI but it's the one that irritates me the most.
Hopefully SE will learn from their mistakes and the new MMO will be better...too bad I'll be playing WoW and won't have time to find out.
And as far as FFXI being peoples' first MMO making it hard for them to see FFXI's problems...FFXI is my first MMO and all it made me think was: "I hope they aren't all this bad." People should realize that a game is supposed to be fun and FFXI just isn't.
Now some people have argued that as long as people are willing to pay for the game SE will keep putting out content for it. I've heard people claim that SE is still going to introduce PvP into the game. I guess it could happen but why has it taken so long?
I personally think FFXI is nothing more than one big time sink after another. There's very little story until you get at least half way to the level cap and advancing the story doesn't help you level or make money. Everything in the game is split into it's own little separate area instead of being seemlessly integrated like it should be. Want to gain a couple of levels...not going to make any money or get any story line doing it. Need to make some cash...no experience or story there. Want to find out about the story...no money or experience. These parts of the game shouldn't be divided from each other.
But, when your game is light on content you have to find some way to stretch it out so people keep sending you their monthly fees. I guess segmenting the game is all SE could come up with. And I know this is only one of the many problems with FFXI but it's the one that irritates me the most.
Hopefully SE will learn from their mistakes and the new MMO will be better...too bad I'll be playing WoW and won't have time to find out.
And as far as FFXI being peoples' first MMO making it hard for them to see FFXI's problems...FFXI is my first MMO and all it made me think was: "I hope they aren't all this bad." People should realize that a game is supposed to be fun and FFXI just isn't.
A major problem with FFXI at the moment, are the gil sellers that had been moving in for the pass few months.
They all have monopolized the "Named Monsters" in popular farming areas, like Davoi and Ordelle Caves.
There is 1 item in particular, Sniper's Rings (level 40 ring). Sniper's Rings are the product of Archer's Rings, which is a drop from a timed spawn of a "slime" like monster named Stroper Chyme. Sniper's add 5 accuracy, basically a requirement for any and all melees, and used to go for about 300k or so for the archer rings that is used to craft the snipers, and the snipers used to go for a few dozen k more than the archers. Gil sellers realized the potential, and thus set out to set a monopoly of the spawns of the Stroper Chyme. Since they now control 80%+ of the archer rings going into the market, they slowly start raising the price of the rings...320k...350k...then it made it to 400k. Since the archer rings went up in price, the high level leathercrafters are forced to raise the price of sniper rings to make a small profit in the process.
Now Sniper's Rings go for 500-600k+ gil. that is 1.2million for 2 that, for example, a dark knight have to get somehow in this screwed up economy. This will lead to boring and repedative "farming" which can take a month or so for the average level 40 person to do, if they do not want to be considered "gimped".
There are other items that are almost as worse as this ring.
EDIT: for spelling and additions
Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:11:20 2004 by snipperpuppy
They all have monopolized the "Named Monsters" in popular farming areas, like Davoi and Ordelle Caves.
There is 1 item in particular, Sniper's Rings (level 40 ring). Sniper's Rings are the product of Archer's Rings, which is a drop from a timed spawn of a "slime" like monster named Stroper Chyme. Sniper's add 5 accuracy, basically a requirement for any and all melees, and used to go for about 300k or so for the archer rings that is used to craft the snipers, and the snipers used to go for a few dozen k more than the archers. Gil sellers realized the potential, and thus set out to set a monopoly of the spawns of the Stroper Chyme. Since they now control 80%+ of the archer rings going into the market, they slowly start raising the price of the rings...320k...350k...then it made it to 400k. Since the archer rings went up in price, the high level leathercrafters are forced to raise the price of sniper rings to make a small profit in the process.
Now Sniper's Rings go for 500-600k+ gil. that is 1.2million for 2 that, for example, a dark knight have to get somehow in this screwed up economy. This will lead to boring and repedative "farming" which can take a month or so for the average level 40 person to do, if they do not want to be considered "gimped".
There are other items that are almost as worse as this ring.
EDIT: for spelling and additions
Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:11:20 2004 by snipperpuppy
Here's my theory:
Sometimes, saying the truth (indesputable as it may be) isn't always the best thing to do. Telling a forum for FFXI fans won't really want to hear how much it sucks and how WoW is better, especially if changing from one to the other takes money and effort they're not willing to expend. In which case, it's foolish to speak about the truth in those forums, as you'll inevitably get rated down.
Sometimes, people want to hear lies, or they're just not interested in the truth. Sometimes a lie would be best in a given situation, where a favorable end can only be met by unfavorable means. Sometimes, in the end, the truth isn't worth the risk.
But I blather. IMO, though I'll always remember myself as an ex-taru, I'll always be much fonder of WoW. ^_^;;
Yarr.
Sometimes, saying the truth (indesputable as it may be) isn't always the best thing to do. Telling a forum for FFXI fans won't really want to hear how much it sucks and how WoW is better, especially if changing from one to the other takes money and effort they're not willing to expend. In which case, it's foolish to speak about the truth in those forums, as you'll inevitably get rated down.
Sometimes, people want to hear lies, or they're just not interested in the truth. Sometimes a lie would be best in a given situation, where a favorable end can only be met by unfavorable means. Sometimes, in the end, the truth isn't worth the risk.
But I blather. IMO, though I'll always remember myself as an ex-taru, I'll always be much fonder of WoW. ^_^;;
Yarr.
lets think of it this way. you post on the forum if you like the game. you wouldnt post of a forum more than once if you hated the game. so its a forum of people wo like the game and someone bashes it ofcourse its going to get rebuttled. if someone came in heare a month after realease and bashed on WoW i am sure it would get torn to shreds too. now dont get me wrong i am about ready to kill everyone who made FFXI myself because of how the game turned out but the reason they flame you is because they like the game and you would do the same back if it was a game you liked
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of course FF fan people arent going to be happy when you take your opinion of FFXI sucking over there...doesn't take a genious to figure that out.
I think its funny how they play a game that horrible without noticing...lol
Ignorance is bliss! ITS TRUE!!!
of course FF fan people arent going to be happy when you take your opinion of FFXI sucking over there...doesn't take a genious to figure that out.
I think its funny how they play a game that horrible without noticing...lol
Ignorance is bliss! ITS TRUE!!!
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Why do they feel the need to rate down the truth? sheesh
Because they can't handle the truth!
To Gihja,
Touche!
Touche!
snipperpuppy wrote:
A major problem with FFXI at the moment, are the gil sellers that had been moving in for the pass few months.
They all have monopolized the "Named Monsters" in popular farming areas, like Davoi and Ordelle Caves.
There is 1 item in particular, Sniper's Rings (level 40 ring). Sniper's Rings are the product of Archer's Rings, which is a drop from a timed spawn of a "slime" like monster named Stroper Chyme. Sniper's add 5 accuracy, basically a requirement for any and all melees, and used to go for about 300k or so for the archer rings that is used to craft the snipers, and the snipers used to go for a few dozen k more than the archers. Gil sellers realized the potential, and thus set out to set a monopoly of the spawns of the Stroper Chyme. Since they now control 80%+ of the archer rings going into the market, they slowly start raising the price of the rings...320k...350k...then it made it to 400k. Since the archer rings went up in price, the high level leathercrafters are forced to raise the price of sniper rings to make a small profit in the process.
Now Sniper's Rings go for 500-600k+ gil. that is 1.2million for 2 that, for example, a dark knight have to get somehow in this screwed up economy. This will lead to boring and repedative "farming" which can take a month or so for the average level 40 person to do, if they do not want to be considered "gimped".
There are other items that are almost as worse as this ring.
EDIT: for spelling and additions
Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:11:20 2004 by snipperpuppy
They all have monopolized the "Named Monsters" in popular farming areas, like Davoi and Ordelle Caves.
There is 1 item in particular, Sniper's Rings (level 40 ring). Sniper's Rings are the product of Archer's Rings, which is a drop from a timed spawn of a "slime" like monster named Stroper Chyme. Sniper's add 5 accuracy, basically a requirement for any and all melees, and used to go for about 300k or so for the archer rings that is used to craft the snipers, and the snipers used to go for a few dozen k more than the archers. Gil sellers realized the potential, and thus set out to set a monopoly of the spawns of the Stroper Chyme. Since they now control 80%+ of the archer rings going into the market, they slowly start raising the price of the rings...320k...350k...then it made it to 400k. Since the archer rings went up in price, the high level leathercrafters are forced to raise the price of sniper rings to make a small profit in the process.
Now Sniper's Rings go for 500-600k+ gil. that is 1.2million for 2 that, for example, a dark knight have to get somehow in this screwed up economy. This will lead to boring and repedative "farming" which can take a month or so for the average level 40 person to do, if they do not want to be considered "gimped".
There are other items that are almost as worse as this ring.
EDIT: for spelling and additions
Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:11:20 2004 by snipperpuppy
Dont get me wrong..im not trying to shield ffxi or anything, but how do you know WoW wont have an economy like that in future?
and you will have no choice but to farm monsters so that you can afford the equipments.
To above poster we are pretty confident this wont happen since name monsters will sould bind their items to you. There will be gold sellers I'm sure but money is so free flowing in that game I doublt many will bother buying it. They have pretty much implemented things in game to detour what is happening in FFXI. Not to defend of course ^^
Hehhehehe
Your all missing the main point why FFxi players bash those who even spit out th emere truth of the game.
This games a job, a job they have to pay for, since they waisted so much time to achive the status they have now. Square did it well to make the game give you a feel that you are supirior when you have all those rare items and money, People without those items you look down like commoners and dispize one, a new type of discrimination that makes the players feel powerful. The hours they invested, the lv they are their craft lv.
Its somthing they cannot let go with ease since it took them so long to achive. Beacause of that they defend the game even though they know what that poster put was the truth.
Your all missing the main point why FFxi players bash those who even spit out th emere truth of the game.
This games a job, a job they have to pay for, since they waisted so much time to achive the status they have now. Square did it well to make the game give you a feel that you are supirior when you have all those rare items and money, People without those items you look down like commoners and dispize one, a new type of discrimination that makes the players feel powerful. The hours they invested, the lv they are their craft lv.
Its somthing they cannot let go with ease since it took them so long to achive. Beacause of that they defend the game even though they know what that poster put was the truth.
Actually, the comparison of FFXI to a job is extremely accurate. I've asked several of my LS mates if they thought about trying any of the new MMOs that will be coming out soon and they say no. When asked why the response usually goes something like this:
"Because I don't want to give up FFXI."
"Why, because you're having so fun?"
"No, because I've invested so much time into it."
But it's a game. It's not supposed to be an investment, it's supposed to be entertainment. If you cook a meal and burn it you don't still eat it just because you put time and effort into making it. You find something else to eat. Same thing with a game. When it stops being fun you stop playing, however many hours you've played it. Playing a game that isn't fun completely contradicts the reasoning for playing games in the first place.
"Because I don't want to give up FFXI."
"Why, because you're having so fun?"
"No, because I've invested so much time into it."
But it's a game. It's not supposed to be an investment, it's supposed to be entertainment. If you cook a meal and burn it you don't still eat it just because you put time and effort into making it. You find something else to eat. Same thing with a game. When it stops being fun you stop playing, however many hours you've played it. Playing a game that isn't fun completely contradicts the reasoning for playing games in the first place.
ok its to the point right now where i can say i almost Hate FFXI. but i dont think its that horible of a game. Its a game that is made for the type of person who wants to spend hours and hours and hours and not progress very far. some people like this game style. they like to know that even though they have played the game for a year they are only half way through it. It dose have many flaws with it but so dose every game. FFXI isnt a horible game i just think us that have moved on have developed a different taste in game play
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Well I am quitting FFXI for some of the same reason you all are describing, but also some others. Here they are in no particular order
1. FORCED GROUPING (this one can stay up at the top of the list)
2. NM camping
3. Gil making
4. Asian release before American (I really hate it when you decide to play a new game only to find out that there are already level 75 players that you cannot communicate with, and the server you start on is not totaly english)
5. Unable to play any combo of class. (There are only a hand ful of job combos that are accepted and if you try to have any fun playing a diffrent combo then your out of luck in leveling that toon)
Granted this game was fun... but now I grow very weary of it.... I love playing MMORPG's.... but I don;t love being forced into parties when I don;t want to be. I like to level on my own sometimes... sure it might not be much xp.... but at least I can do IT!
All in all most poeple that play FFXi have NEVER played an MMORPG ever... so they don't know how one is supposed to be set up and will stick with thier favorite game title till the end of eternity without knowing the pleasurable tastes of other MMORPG's.
1. FORCED GROUPING (this one can stay up at the top of the list)
2. NM camping
3. Gil making
4. Asian release before American (I really hate it when you decide to play a new game only to find out that there are already level 75 players that you cannot communicate with, and the server you start on is not totaly english)
5. Unable to play any combo of class. (There are only a hand ful of job combos that are accepted and if you try to have any fun playing a diffrent combo then your out of luck in leveling that toon)
Granted this game was fun... but now I grow very weary of it.... I love playing MMORPG's.... but I don;t love being forced into parties when I don;t want to be. I like to level on my own sometimes... sure it might not be much xp.... but at least I can do IT!
All in all most poeple that play FFXi have NEVER played an MMORPG ever... so they don't know how one is supposed to be set up and will stick with thier favorite game title till the end of eternity without knowing the pleasurable tastes of other MMORPG's.
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1. FORCED GROUPING (this one can stay up at the top of the list)
PREACH ON BROTHER!
This is the same reason (and I think probably most other people's reason) why I'm quitting FFXI for WoW, assuming it is released...sometime...ever.
You need a perfect party, and if you don't have one, not only does the game experience seem dull and boring, but the exp sucks. Therefore, you don't advance. And finding a decent party sometimes takes me up to 3 hours! If I don't have at least 5 hours to sit down and play at a time, I won't get anywhere.
I want a game (hope I don't get flamed for this) like Diablo 2, and I'll tell you why. I don't want to have to sit for hours waiting for a perfect party, I don't want to rely on others to keep me from dying, and I don't want to wait only to find out 10 minutes later that someone has to go, only for me to have to wait again to find a replacement.
I'd like a game that is all about who kills things the fastest. I want to be able to make a party with whoever I want, and have it not matter what job or class or race they are. If someone needs to go, let them go! Why? Because we can do fine without a full perfect party, and still advance at a decent pace.
GAH! I hate FFXI!
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