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#1 Oct 13 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/481/481244/imgs_1.html

Pls..this is not another vs thread..just so show you all if this can even compete with WoW..

In my oppinion, the environment is so bland, plain, and boring..

Its worse than 3 yr old FFXI =P

Edited, Thu Oct 14 00:00:26 2004 by FFMania
#2 Oct 13 2004 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
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hehe When I saw the first screen shot, I thought this was the Middle Earth Online game. =p
#3 Oct 13 2004 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
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idk, looks good to me.
#4 Oct 14 2004 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
omg..you really think that looks good..
#5 Oct 14 2004 at 12:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Well..what specifically makes it bad?
#6 Oct 14 2004 at 12:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Well..what specifically makes it bad?


It's pretty grainy and bland in terms of style...VERY bland...

This makes Redmoon sad. ;_;
#7 Oct 14 2004 at 12:29 AM Rating: Decent
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IDK, character models seem grainy to me, but the environment itself seems pretty detailed and polished.

Although c'mon, nothing can compair to the style of WoW
#8 Oct 14 2004 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, it doesn't look BAD... it's just not terribly good. The terrain is okay, the characters aren't very good though.

More than anything, there isn't WoW's sense of grandeur. I mean, the town shots and the castle shots (and even some of the forest shots) don't immerse you in the game, don't strike you with their own identity. There's a different feel.
It reminds me of a review I read of Starcraft. "Total Annihilation" had come out at about the same time, and TA boasted scores of different units. But the reviewer said that Starcraft was a better game, in no small part because each of the three races had radically different personalities. Even though Starcraft had fewer units than TA, those units were so different and employed in such different ways (and had such different looks) that it felt like more than it was. That's Blizzard's trademark. They're able to make the world look lived-in. Not "real" real, but "game" real, if that makes sense. WoW just feels so vibrant and alive compared to those screens. Pixel for pixel, probably not much difference, but the way they're employed is radically different.
#9 Oct 14 2004 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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IMMO blizzards always been better at making better games rather than the better advertising gimmicks.
#10 Oct 14 2004 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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IDK, that screen said 2 things to me:

1) The person that took the shot did not have the best graphics settings or they just truly sucked.

2) Even FFXI looks better at a lower resolution.

#11 Oct 14 2004 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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EQ2 is not a good game, at least not right now. So no, it cannot even compete with WoW.

I am in the beta for both games. I'm not speaking out of my ***.
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#12 Oct 14 2004 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
I think it might bring some competition to the table, I've got to say though this is not how EQ2 looks exactly These screenshots are very poor in graphics. You should look at the main site it's a very impresive game.
#13 Oct 14 2004 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Also dont forget that EQ2 also has the ability to be put on the highest setting..but on computers that arent even out yet, so its gonna be a little bit before they unlock the "best" graphics of EQ.
#14 Oct 14 2004 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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I was in the WoW "Stress Test" and I'm in EQ2 beta, and I have this to say...

WoW BLEW ME AWAY!! It's environments are just stunningly beautiful. Each area has it's own look and feel and is really breath-taking in a lot of areas.

EQ2 tries to look real and just comes off as very artificial and fake. One of the biggest complaints of EQ was its "dated" graphics engine so they WAY over-compensated for EQ2.

Another big factor is that EQ2 still has zones like EQ and WoW doesn't. It may not seem like a big deal, but zoning REALLY takes you out of the game. WoW, you go anywhere you want and no loading. That fact alone really put you INTO the world. You really feel like a part of it.

EQ2 tries too hard, and sometimes trying to hard is a bad thing. WoW just "flows" and doesn't feel FORCED.

Besides that, just look at the system requirements. EQ and EQ2 are both ridiculous. WoW has very forgiving requirements. That fact alone will stop a lot of people from playing EQ2. High requirements are often a sign of sloppy coding. A well made program can run efficiently with minimal resources needed while giving the stunning results.
#15 Oct 14 2004 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
Azuarc wrote:
EQ2 is not a good game, at least not right now. So no, it cannot even compete with WoW.

I am in the beta for both games. I'm not speaking out of my ***.


I know EQ2 sucks..buti just want to know the reason for its suckiness??

anyway whether the graphics is made to the highest settings, and lowest settings, the environtment is still bland, dull, plain, and boring..no setting can change that... The environment in WoW however, is lively, beautiful, stunning, and colourful, much better than EQ2's in my oppinion..
#16 Oct 14 2004 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
Yes it can and will compete with WoW in a major way. Remember that the everquest series has MMO experience where WoW doesn't. Granted Diablo had a good online component... it was nothing like the current MMO framework that is commonly used. You have to regard the fact that Everquest is a pioneer and that it will be played for that reason.

The nature of the beast.

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#17 Oct 15 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I know EQ2 sucks..buti just want to know the reason for its suckiness??


I've answered this elsewhere, but I'll go over it quickly.

Graphics: the graphics to EQ2 are awesome...if you own a super-computer. Most people don't, so either they look like ****, or your framerate is under 2 FPS. The style of the art is also so bland as to make me revel in the act of eating tofu. (Positive: the customization options you have for your character at creation are amazing. I thought I was using a police sketch artist utility. Too bad I don't get to appreciate that in-game.)

Lag: graphical lag. server-side lag. lag of all kinds. ridiculous loading time of zones. There's a lot of "downtime" in this game that isn't the downtime of the game.

Zones: work just like they did in Everquest. But they're all about the size of my studio apartment, and take a considerable time to transit between them. The maps of those zones are much harder to use than WoW's. Getting around the zone, even with a sprint option, is difficult. And despite there being a good 50 different quests for a given zone (or so it seems), 49 of them I either can't find the questgiver or can't figure out how to do the quest. (Positive: transportation between zones can be done instantly without traveling between the interrim zones if both your source and destination have water access. Very nice - and instant - boat travel system. Load time of new zone still applies though.)

Interface: While at first glance it seems elegant enough, and seems to have many of the features WoW does, it just isn't up to snuff. You have to click on a pull-down menu to get all the menu options you need, and there are a lot more little menus for miscellaneous junk. The UI is not as respondent. And it just doesn't have that...touch. I dare say I like EQ1's original UI better. It also defaults to letterbox, which is a little weird, but you can change that.
Put it another way: the comparative review from IGN way back praised EQ2 because it had this wonderful tutorial. Now, I've seen that tutorial, and it is moderately nice. Not a selling point for the game, but it does get you started. On the other hand, World of Warcraft doesn't NEED a tutorial. A few in-game hints as you go is more than enough learning curve. Two weeks after starting EQ2, I was still trying to figure out where things were in the UI.

Monotony: I haven't played FFXI personally, but I've been told the grind in this game is even worse. If what I've seen of EQ2 is any indication, I'd say FFXI doesn't have a great deal of room to try to defend that title. The quests in EQ2 are set up like WoW's, and I dare say in some regards the system is even better...but there's extremely little benefit to doing 95% of quests. The only exceptions are the special "hallmark" quests that represent major points in your character's life (like going from being a random priest to being a cleric/druid/shaman.)


That's 5 points. You want more? I can probably put more together. The only other positive I can really give you is the speech/NPC communication systtem in the game. That's a big plus, but audio in the game only goes so far.

Except for the NPC vocals, the character customization window, and maybe one or two other small items, WoW is *at least* as good as EQ2. There are many many ways EQ2 is not at least as good as WoW.
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#18 Oct 18 2004 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
Wow, that was a very nice breakdown Azuarc. Been looking for someone to spell out the different styles within each game (WoW vs. EQ2) without flaming one or the other, thanks.
#19 Oct 18 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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That review was greatly appreciated.

I know from looking over the site EQ2 looks like it has potential but it looks like its still an alpha version of the game. All the environments are very flat and lacking in flora. Sure a few trees, but every zone looks very sparse. The characters look extremely recycled and the races upon investigation really look the same. This excludes the giant rats / cats / lizards / demons. But they all have the same exact human frame with a head that looks like it was grafted on by Dr. Frankenstein about a day ago.

Even with all these questions in my mind I still was really wondering if WoW was going to be the right game for me. Knowing the huge and devoted fanbase EQ enjoys I thought that even if the game looked like crap (as EQ1 always did) there should be some hard content behind that crappy skin.

I do not enjoy zones anymore. You’re right they take you completely out of the game. People also use them as an exploit for PvP and leveling.

Anyway before I rant too much. Thank you for the fair and honest ratting of the two games. EQ2 seemed to have the capability to rise above its poor quality skin, looks like this is not the case though.
#20 Oct 22 2004 at 2:09 AM Rating: Decent
One thing that I can tell is that although Everquest was a pioneer, and has lots of years of experience in this type of games, Blizzard knows how to create its games, and knows how to put that stylish touch that separates them from the others. Just look at Starcraft, Warcraft, Diablo...they are all great games, and where really great games when they came out. Although I haven't played the Beta of WoW, nor the Beta of Everquest II, I know WoW doesn't go behind EII. Blizzard, IMO, has a great record of great games, with great styles and an addicting gameplay.
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