Which is more wanted in a party? like i was looking at the stuff on blizzard and paladins seem like muscular healers rather than tanks and they dont even get to use really good items it seems @_@. if anyone is currently playing please tell me what you think about these two classes. im sorta leaning towards paladin just because ive been in a paladin in diablo2, morrowind, ffxi---so on and so forth haha! thanks!
o yea im pretty sure im gonna get flamed for this since WoW people seem to hate ffxi people but umm does race effect your class in anyway? like maybe humans have more mp than dwarves as a paladin or something weird like that?
Edited, Wed Oct 13 20:01:43 2004 by Pixelshader
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I'm not in beta but I know enough about the game to give ya this info. Paladins indeed can be tank however they are not quite as good as a Warrior or Druid in Bear Form.
Flamed? Doubtful people in these forums don't hate people that play FFXI what they hate are the fanboys that rate down any topic that points out a bad point of FF.
Race does not ultimately effect your class.. Your race comes more with your playstyle... What sets the races apart are their racial talents which still haven't been seen but promised.
Flamed? Doubtful people in these forums don't hate people that play FFXI what they hate are the fanboys that rate down any topic that points out a bad point of FF.
Race does not ultimately effect your class.. Your race comes more with your playstyle... What sets the races apart are their racial talents which still haven't been seen but promised.
WoW seem to hate FFXI people lol. You're asking to be flamed for making negative comments.
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haha thanks for the info---yea im talking to a friend beta tester on aim he says that plds are alot more fun than wars because they arent so one sided. like you can be backuphealer main tank buffer and all kinds of weird things. sounds pretty fun ^^. haha im not asking to get flamed im pretty sure WoW is gonna be alot of fun. judging by past blizzard games vs any other companys games ive played ill probably be playing WoW QUITE a bit :). ahh! diablo2----there goes my childhood! haha :P
but so far my choice is human paladin on a pvp server--what would be the diffrence from a human and dwarven paladin?
Edited, Wed Oct 13 20:58:08 2004 by Pixelshader
but so far my choice is human paladin on a pvp server--what would be the diffrence from a human and dwarven paladin?
Edited, Wed Oct 13 20:58:08 2004 by Pixelshader
What difference between a human paladin and a dwarf paladin? Well... your allies might have a harder time buffing you, but your enemies will struggle to click on you in PvP due to your shortness.
Really, right now only two races (Tauren and Undead) have actual gameplay-affecting racial abilities. And if you're on the PvP server, Paladin is a better choice than on PvE because Paladins have special abilities versus Undead. And guess what race is most popular in the Horde right now?
As to which class is more wanted in parties... well, every party wants ONE warrior. Warriors are the masters of tanking right now. Paladins don't seem to be able to manage aggro as well. The way some of their abilities work they can help someone else tank, but they just can't do it as well themselves. Druids in bear form can tank also, but people really REALLY prefer warriors (Druid-bears aren't as good at tanking as warriors either). All that said, parties very rarely turn down extra healers. Paladins are the best at wipe recovery-- they have Rez and healing spells, plus they wear plate and have abilities (with one still NYI) to help them get away when everyone else has crashed and burned. The upshot? No one is better at preventing a wipe than a Paladin. Your presence means security, and lots of parties want security.
There's a cost to all of that: many paladins complain that soloing with a paladin is boring. Against non-undead, they have a limited number of combat abilities, whereas a warrior has a plethora. Playing on the PvP server may mitigate this, but that much I'm not clear about.
That's all I have-- the rest is up to you.
P.S.: we're mostly friendly here, don't sweat it.
Edited, Wed Oct 13 23:03:44 2004 by ChahDresh
Really, right now only two races (Tauren and Undead) have actual gameplay-affecting racial abilities. And if you're on the PvP server, Paladin is a better choice than on PvE because Paladins have special abilities versus Undead. And guess what race is most popular in the Horde right now?
As to which class is more wanted in parties... well, every party wants ONE warrior. Warriors are the masters of tanking right now. Paladins don't seem to be able to manage aggro as well. The way some of their abilities work they can help someone else tank, but they just can't do it as well themselves. Druids in bear form can tank also, but people really REALLY prefer warriors (Druid-bears aren't as good at tanking as warriors either). All that said, parties very rarely turn down extra healers. Paladins are the best at wipe recovery-- they have Rez and healing spells, plus they wear plate and have abilities (with one still NYI) to help them get away when everyone else has crashed and burned. The upshot? No one is better at preventing a wipe than a Paladin. Your presence means security, and lots of parties want security.
There's a cost to all of that: many paladins complain that soloing with a paladin is boring. Against non-undead, they have a limited number of combat abilities, whereas a warrior has a plethora. Playing on the PvP server may mitigate this, but that much I'm not clear about.
That's all I have-- the rest is up to you.
P.S.: we're mostly friendly here, don't sweat it.
Edited, Wed Oct 13 23:03:44 2004 by ChahDresh
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hehe thanks ^^ wow i never heard of anyone saying pld was boring---from what i heard which made me wanta be pld was that warrior was boring and if youre not in a pt theres TONS of down time which brings me to another question :) how does the regaining mp and hp work?
Heh thats one thing I barely ever heard mentioned in WoW, downtime.
Downtime? What in the world is downtime?
I kid! I kid!
Anyways, while in combat, mp and hp is gained through the spirit stat. The more spirit you have, the faster you regain mp and hp. Hp and mp is also gained in combat the old fashion way, through cures, potions and various other spells.
Outside combat, downtime is lessen through food and drink. Food will heal you hp wise while drink brings back your mp.
Edited, Thu Oct 14 02:05:01 2004 by Redmoonxl
I kid! I kid!
Anyways, while in combat, mp and hp is gained through the spirit stat. The more spirit you have, the faster you regain mp and hp. Hp and mp is also gained in combat the old fashion way, through cures, potions and various other spells.
Outside combat, downtime is lessen through food and drink. Food will heal you hp wise while drink brings back your mp.
Edited, Thu Oct 14 02:05:01 2004 by Redmoonxl
I thought spirit helped regain hp too?
Yep, my bad. Thanks for catching that, Vamp!
Hehe, had me wondering if I missed a patch somewhere.
Although, do they still have the downtimes after casting a spell so that you only gain mana a tick after casting a spell?
Although, do they still have the downtimes after casting a spell so that you only gain mana a tick after casting a spell?
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hmm---now i dont know if i wanta be a pld or a war anymore! i was gonna be a pld for less down time---but i like how war gets so many weapon choices and can tank! urg -_- help me out hehe
Paladins have "Lay of Hands"... *drools*
Lay of Hands - Uses 100% Mana. Heals a friendly target for an amount equal to the Paladin's maximum amount of health and restores X of their mana. Drains all of the Paladin's remaining mana when used. Very long cooltime.
Lay of Hands - Uses 100% Mana. Heals a friendly target for an amount equal to the Paladin's maximum amount of health and restores X of their mana. Drains all of the Paladin's remaining mana when used. Very long cooltime.
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haha i might be a pld just for the free horse :)
I didnt think they got a free horse?
I want a free horse... *kicks a can and simply walks away*
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i thought they can summon a horse and stuff
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin.shtml
*points at link* Yep, they can.
*points at link* Yep, they can.
I'm not entirely sure about this, but I don't think Spirit affects HP regeneration while in combat. (Otherwise, there wouldn't be the Combat Endurance warrior, shaman, and druid talents to overturn the rule.) Spirit does affect MP regeneration, but there is the 5 second rule: it only kicks in five seconds after you started casting your last spell. Some classes have talents to overcome that rule, as well. Spirit affects both stats out-of-combat, and apparently works very quickly.
As to downtime, well, this really is not a terribly big issue in WoW. The longest downtime I ever had as a shaman was 30 seconds. Even if you're completely drained of HP or mana, you can eat and drink to drastically increase your rate of regen. You can't move or fight like this, but that's not the point. Even as a warrior with no healing spells, there's still food and First Aid (you can bandage yourself with this skill), and you don't have to worry about mana regen. No biggie.
As to downtime, well, this really is not a terribly big issue in WoW. The longest downtime I ever had as a shaman was 30 seconds. Even if you're completely drained of HP or mana, you can eat and drink to drastically increase your rate of regen. You can't move or fight like this, but that's not the point. Even as a warrior with no healing spells, there's still food and First Aid (you can bandage yourself with this skill), and you don't have to worry about mana regen. No biggie.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/basics/characters.shtml
Spirit (SPT)- Increases health and mana regeneration. Spirit affects all characters' mana and hit point regeneration rates in and out of combat. Spirit also increases your chance to ‘proc’ with weapons.
^_^
Spirit (SPT)- Increases health and mana regeneration. Spirit affects all characters' mana and hit point regeneration rates in and out of combat. Spirit also increases your chance to ‘proc’ with weapons.
^_^
Actually, spirit no longer has any affect on procs. They changed that this patch, very explicitly. All procs are now self-contained, relying on no external factors.
I thought you knew by now, but the "basics" section on the WoW site is always two or three patches behind. After all, they do have better things to work on.
The "basics" page notwithstanding, what I wrote in my previous page is my best understanding of the situation from what I've seen on the Closed Beta forums and recent patch notes.
And yes, Paladins get a class-specific mount. Not "free" per se, you have to quest for it. Same theory as the Warlock-specific mount, the Felsteed.
I thought you knew by now, but the "basics" section on the WoW site is always two or three patches behind. After all, they do have better things to work on.
The "basics" page notwithstanding, what I wrote in my previous page is my best understanding of the situation from what I've seen on the Closed Beta forums and recent patch notes.
And yes, Paladins get a class-specific mount. Not "free" per se, you have to quest for it. Same theory as the Warlock-specific mount, the Felsteed.
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Every group needs a warrior to tank. Paladins are very defensive but they lack any real taunt. Paladins alongside druids are often desired as support and secondary healers.
If you want to be a tank, you should play a warrior. Paladins can't taunt, and their other skills don't make up for it.
If you want to play a class that can take hits, heal, rez, and do a few other random things, maybe you'd like paladin, but I wouldn't advise anyone picking it "just cause it's a paladin!"
If you want to play a class that can take hits, heal, rez, and do a few other random things, maybe you'd like paladin, but I wouldn't advise anyone picking it "just cause it's a paladin!"
Only the exceptions can be exceptional.
If you want to slaughter the Undead be a Paladin.
Hey Kyan Mehwulfe I've seen you posting on the Beta Boards.
Hey Kyan Mehwulfe I've seen you posting on the Beta Boards.
Redmoon,
Despite what it says about Spirit, you don't regen any HPs during combat(might have changed during Alpha), and with the last patch, as mentioned by someone else, it doesn't effect procs. Also, because of the 5 second cast rule, if you cast a lot you may not even regen mana during combat. That's old news and they should probably update it.
Not sure who post it, but even the PvE servers have PvP, so Paladins still own Undead, and even though Undead is 25% of the possible races you can play on the Horde side, Undead make up a LOT more than 25% of the Horde players. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'd guess close to 40%.
Edit for spelling.
Edited, Sat Oct 16 14:34:49 2004 by KerikDaven
Despite what it says about Spirit, you don't regen any HPs during combat(might have changed during Alpha), and with the last patch, as mentioned by someone else, it doesn't effect procs. Also, because of the 5 second cast rule, if you cast a lot you may not even regen mana during combat. That's old news and they should probably update it.
Not sure who post it, but even the PvE servers have PvP, so Paladins still own Undead, and even though Undead is 25% of the possible races you can play on the Horde side, Undead make up a LOT more than 25% of the Horde players. I don't know the exact numbers, but I'd guess close to 40%.
Edit for spelling.
Edited, Sat Oct 16 14:34:49 2004 by KerikDaven
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