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#1 Oct 01 2004 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I was just wondering if there was a funtional difference between the two weapons or if it was merely a matter of flavour?

I would assume that their is either no difference statistically, or each has an advantage over the others.

Crossbows are typically slow weapons with relatively short ranges compared to bows, but having greater power within its range.

Bows advantages are in being faster and having greater range.

I'm not sure how guns compare.

So does WoW follow this format?

Please only answer if you KNOW the answer(ex. you are a beta tester, or stress tester, who has compared the different ranged weapons).
#2 Oct 01 2004 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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I was wondering this myself, so I did some quick research and comparasion.

Looking at Alla's tables for Bows and Guns there isn't that much different between damage and speed. Guns do slightly more damage but are slightly slower.

Judging by that comparasion, I'd say it's mostly an appearance choice. There was no max. range component.

So I'd be interested in the thoughts of others that have tested out the different weapons.

Personally, never thought guns fit into a fantasy setting too well, but that's just me.
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#3 Oct 01 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Guns in the game are very different from real life, so I don't see the problem in having it in a Fantasy world. Guns where put in this game because if you played humans in W3 you'd understand.
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#4 Oct 01 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Gihja wrote:
Guns in the game are very different from real life, so I don't see the problem in having it in a Fantasy world. Guns where put in this game because if you played humans in W3 you'd understand.


Out of curiousity...

How are they different?

And why were they put into this game, explain the reference to humans in W3 please.
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#5 Oct 01 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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i agree with gihja wioth the "why guns are in the game" question.
when i played w3 i always made a crap load of gunners and trsansported them all over the map with my hero on a horse.

but as for comparison. i tryed the bow vs. the crossbow and saw that the bow was faster and the crossbow had a little more dam. their even if i had to say so. its compleatly the way you wanna look. and ill have my bow, and my kitty
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#6 Oct 01 2004 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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How are they different?


Sigh...Look at a 9mm automatic and then look at a Calibrated Boomstick.
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#7 Oct 01 2004 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Gihja wrote:

Sigh...Look at a 9mm automatic and then look at a Calibrated Boomstick.


You're kidding right? A 9mm is a modern gun, of course it's different from a fantasy gun. That's like saying compare a Star Trek Phaser to a 9 mm.

Analogy would work better if you compared a Arquebus to a Calibrated Boomstick.

Guns have existed for a long time. My point was, does WoW have the level of technology that would allow for guns? Or were they put into the game for the heck of it?

FFXI had steam powered technology, so it wasn't out of the question for gun powder to exist.

Does WoW have any form of technology?

Edited, Fri Oct 1 16:58:34 2004 by SeomanP
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#8 Oct 01 2004 at 4:12 PM Rating: Default
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Seoman I'd just ignore Gihja. It seems he's either in...

A) A bad mood today.

or

B) Just feels like being an *******, and dissagreeing and/or making not exactly respectful comments in every post he's making... Which I've found for the most part, really have no rellivance on anything.
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#9 Oct 01 2004 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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If you played Warcraft 3 you would see not only did dwarfs have guns but steam tanks and a plane helicopter hybrid. So yes they have the technology.
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#10 Oct 01 2004 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Just because i included the word Sigh doesn't mean i'm in a mad mood. It's just the fact that alot of people like to challenge me with everything I say on these boards. People are starting to be very hostile against mean I haven't used negative language or anything. GrandMasterDaveo you should just cut the crap don't bring in your grudge against me just because I said that your post about the release date of a game is useless. Don't get mad when you make stupid posts, I hate posts like yours that try to make it like you discovered something when your basically just spreading a rumor. If anyone flaming me had any intelligence at all they would realize that the game always had that technology and i made the stupid comparison because I felt it would be a waste of time to go explain everything in pure detail. I'm just going to ignore any further flames because I had enough for one day. Hey maybe you can go to sleep thinking about what your going to say to me tomorrow. That's why i'm almost never coming to these boards like I use to. You're just displaying your senstivity in your posts.

Edited, Sat Oct 2 12:28:09 2004 by Gihja
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#11 Oct 01 2004 at 9:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Gihja - I have noticed something.

When you are calm, not angry, not like this guy you act decently.

However, when you become angry, frustrated, whatever, you start typing like a 5 year old. E.g.,
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Just because i included the word Sigh doesn't mean i'm r in a mad mood.


"because i", "the word Sigh", "mean i'm r in a mad mood." Man, Gihja, just relax, you had no format in your paragraphs either - so hard to read.

Anyways, about the guns - I don't think it makes much of a difference, however, I prefer a bow, due to, when you shoot, you stand sideways, looks very cool.
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#12 Oct 01 2004 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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You begin a post with "sigh" and it automatically makes people assume you have a bad attitude.


oh and it's frustrated, not fustrated
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#13 Oct 02 2004 at 3:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Out of curiousity...

How are they different?

And why were they put into this game, explain the reference to humans in W3 please.


When it comes to Warcraft 3, humans were more of the melee "I'll slice you up old school!" units. Human units were Footmen, Knights and peasents. Humans were never ranged or magic users in WC 3 unless they were Paladins or Archmage (hero units). Magic and range units were supported by the elvan and dwarf races since elvan relied more on magic then humans and dwarves were able to take advantage of their mining and forging skills, moreso then humans. Add to the fact that gnomes supplied technology to the dwarves during the 2nd and 3rd war (gnomes never appeared during WC 3).

Anyways, dwarves were always better with a range weapon then any human (notice how humans cannot be hunters) since the heart and soul of human fighting is much like the orcs: face to face melee action. During the third war, dwarves were the range units. Anything that was ranged, they handled. This includes rifles, seige, air mech units and mortors. As to how the guns handled in WC 3, range weapons are slow but powerful once completely teched and are better used for damaging buildings and the such. When it comes to damaging softer units (aka anything that is not a mech or building), night elves win hands down. Focus fire bows can destroy units like crazy, especially once you get the archers to learn how to ride hippogryphs (Giant birds) to keep them away from ground units (archers are pathetic when it comes to HP/Def). Night elves can also outpace a dwarf riflemen in terms of speed so multiple NE archers can cause fast damage if they are not taken out quickly (which is easy to do, by the way)

I'm not sure if the same can be said about WoW but I guess we'll just have to wait till we find out which is better given certain situations.

Hope this info helps.

Edit: Forgot to add to the fact that WC 3 had 4 factions: The Undead, Humans (Humans, Elves, Dwarves), Orcs (Trolls, Orcs, Tauren) and Night Elves.

And to add on, yes, technology of high order does exist in WoW. The race that achieves the most tech wise would be the gnomes who created various items like the copters and mechs. They even helped make weapons along with their long time allies the dwarves who supply the metals they need to create such items. These items (as said before) were supplied to the humans during the wars.

Edited, Sat Oct 2 10:48:24 2004 by Redmoonxl
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#14 Oct 02 2004 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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To the OP: there isn't much difference. Some races have preferences as to which they use, in that they will start being trained for one and not the other. (Dwarf hunters start with a gun, Night Elf hunters have a bow.)

Crossbows are a *tad* different, in that they are much rarer. Sort of like elite ranged weapons. Hunters also receive a bonus (compared to other classes) for using a crossbow to negate their slow firing speed.

Other than that, the main difference right now is that players can make guns, and everyone has to find their bows. The engineering tradeskill allows for the creation of guns and bullets. There is no bowyering skill yet.


Seoman - if you are asking if WoW has that kind of technology, you obviously haven't played Warcraft 2 or 3. Gnomes and goblins are renowned for their engineering feats. Dwarves are known for their proclivity toward using basic guns and siege engines. One of the main transportation techniques is a zeppelin, originally found in WC2.


General - 'sigh' does not necessarily mean you have a bad attitude. It does set a certain connotation, but I think gihja adequately accounted for that in pointing out that people will jump on his posts for anything. (Not that the first post had a great deal of content in it.)

Creamed actually does make a valid point though. Gihja, your posts do tend to be a little...erratic when you are angry. Count to 10 before you start typing, and consider a spellchecker after. It *might* save a lot of face.

Just the same, why is it that most threads where Gihja actually makes a response, it turns into a "see how many people can jump on his back" contest? Sometimes its warranted, I've done it myself on occasion, but I think some people really rise above and beyond the call of duty.
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#15 Oct 02 2004 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I played an Orc Hunter and got a bow, then played Tauren Hunter and got a gun - was surprised. I like bow more though.

I believe Azurac did an excellent job in explaining each type of ranged weapon.(i.e., bow, crossbow, gun)

Also, maybe, Azurac - you could add in your little guide of yours (the sticky) different weapon types, and what they do/ how are they better than others(advantages, disadvantages).
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#16 Oct 02 2004 at 3:29 PM Rating: Good
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Azuarc wrote:

Seoman - if you are asking if WoW has that kind of technology, you obviously haven't played Warcraft 2 or 3. Gnomes and goblins are renowned for their engineering feats. Dwarves are known for their proclivity toward using basic guns and siege engines. One of the main transportation techniques is a zeppelin, originally found in WC2.


Nope, never played any Warcraft game, never interested me.
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#17 Oct 03 2004 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Gnomes are in Warcraft3. They fly the gnomish flying device. What a crap machine that is BTW.

Anyway I haven't use guns yet, but I would assume they have similiar DPS to bows and crossbows.
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Gnomes are in Warcraft3. They fly the gnomish flying device. What a crap machine that is BTW.


Sorry but thats incorrect. The pilots of the flying machine were dwarves. Here's proof from the bnet strategy site for Warcraft 3: http://www.battle.net/war3/human/units/flyingmachine.shtml



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#19 Oct 03 2004 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I stand corrected.
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I noticed that guns fired slower, did more damage, and had better range. Bows fired faster, did slightly less damage, and had shorter range.

Their DPS were always about the same. Plus I seem to remember more Bows as quest rewards than guns (at least on the Horde side of things).

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True, but currently you can make guns. On the otherhand making bows hasn't been implemented as a trade skill as of yet.
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Ah, didnt notice that.

What I didnt get was why Tauren had guns? Tauren are just as tribal as Trolls were so you would think they would have bows. And since Trolls have sort of been "domesticated" to the Orc lifestyle you'd think they would have guns....

Anyone else with me here?
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I agree for a different reason. Cows with guns kinda scare me...

Since the horde and goblins kinda have good business going, I guess Cairne (The taurens' hero and leader) saw guns as a great tool for hunting. Maybe I'm comparing taurens too much to Native Americans...

Edited, Sun Oct 3 17:02:43 2004 by Redmoonxl
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#24 Oct 03 2004 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe but thats stretching it. I dont recall anything technological in any Tauren city. I guess you could say they get most of their guns from their continous fighting with that Trading Company.

FYI, Tauren leader's name is Cairne Bloodhoof not Claire.

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Taurrens and Night elves can both be druids. I guess they are both nature type races. Thats all I can think of.
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Hehehe I keep forgeting how to spell his name and I keep forgetting that his name means meat in spanish...

Tells ya that it has been awhile since I played the single player mode.
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#27 Oct 04 2004 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
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The "OMG, the cows have guns!" argument has reared its head a few times on the Blizz boards. Basically the only reason anyone has for claiming that the Tauren should not have guns is that they compared them to the Native Americans, who of course they use bows! Never mind that once given access to firearms, the Plains Indians took to them rather fondly. They are a superior hunting tool, aside from the noise they make, and at Custer's Last Stand, most of the Caucasians killed there were not shot by arrows. So the bows & Indians stereotype doesn't necessarily work.

Besides, while seeing a cow with a gun is funny, wouldn't a cow with a bow look even weirder?
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#28 Oct 04 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Cows with guns
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