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Honor is a concept that is central to our PvP ranking system. There are honorable kills and there are dishonorable kills. You earn honor for killing opponents at or near your level, and more honor still if you kill a higher-level player character, as opposed to an NPC. There are also dishonorable kills, and these would include killing lower level PCs and NPCs, and especially non-aggressive NPCs like gryphon masters and quest givers. If you repeatedly make dishonorable kills, you'll eventually go into the negative ranks, lose experience and become attackable on sight by both factions. Our intention is to punish dishonorable behavior and reward honorable PvP play.

PLease don't tell me you actually LOSE EXPERIENCE POINTS, That's not cool, I mean if you go and gank newbies it should just give you negative ranks, not loosing experience

Edited, Fri Sep 17 15:08:36 2004 by GaMeSTa

Why not just make it so you can't kill lower levels?

Well put.

Let's say I'm just traveling, I haven't killed anyone all week and all of a sudden a very low level group of people attack me, but I don't want to lose experience so I just run and listen to them call me a puss?

You gank someone lower level then you, you should get a flag that says "Biggest Asshat on Server" and all NPCs ignore you.

All you people that think killing lower levels should result in a ban, The PvP Server probably isn't for you, I guess I can understand some disadvantages for attacking lower levels, but I still think losing experience points (Can this make you go down in actual levels too?) is a little too much though

Well, it's a roleplaying game, and if your a Human (Lv 60) and come across a Undead (Lv 10) why should wave at him and just happily walk away, I mean, if they are actually enemies they shouldn't be thinking (Human) "He looks a little weak for me to kill, even though the Alliance hate him" or (Undead) "I don't want to mess with that powerful looking guy"

The only time I can see being justifiable to kill a lower-level character is if they try to take advantage of the fact that they're lower-level. Suppose a level 20 undead decided to go running around in Elwynn. He's high enough the newbies aren't likely to mess with him, but at the same time, he's cannon fodder for your level 40. Should he REALLY be in Elwynn? No. Why is he there? To antagonize, provoke, or be otherwise annoying, more than likely. (Not necessarily, but let's assume.) Yes, he's half your level, but I would consider it reasonable THEN to kill him.

However, if you went up to Silverpine and started killing level 20 undead, that would be completely different. That is the sort of ganking most people say is dishonorable.


The concerns I see with this system are:
How much lower in level is lower in level? If I'm level 60 and fight a level 52, is that low-level?
How much benefit is there in getting honorable kills? Is it possible to PL your honor rating? Is there any real loss with letting other people kill you?
Doesn't the idea of getting bonus points for simply killing someone of your level smack of waiting for the opportunity to gank someone in the middle of an NPC fight? Hey, that guy is two levels above me, and barely beating that bear! I'm gonna blast him! (I'd lmao if the PC was considered tapped by the bear, but the guy lurking-in-wait could just wait until the bear died.)

Gank multiple times and pay the fine. If you get attacked first, this is self defense, not ganking. If you camp the corspe in hopes of "teaching a lesson", this IS ganking and you will be punished for doing so. In a raid situation, low levels are fair game if they put themselves in the situation. It is the low level's choice to avoid it but if they decide to get involved, that's their problem.

In conclusion, just make sure your reason is justified when you kill a low level. If your reason is pleasure and the need to just show how "uber" you are, you deserved the lost experience.

"Nice quotes in your sig Stumpy.

Those are too people that should get their beta accounts banned and given to me."



I agree, I think they should ban all players providing negative and posative comments. Replace all these people actually using /suggest in game and posting to Bliz on the forums about content they think will negatively impact the game. Instead give these beta accounts to fanbois that just want to play prerelease.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Blizzard actually wants it.

I agree ganking should be punished. <-adds no value to thread whatsoever.

Hell yes there should be exp loss for people who grief and gank people. What's that? You don't want to loose exp? Then don't do it... it's as easy as that.

It's nice to actually see a punishment that doesn't reqire a GM call for that kind of behavior. Don't get me wrong, I do think that people who do that should be banned, but this does help prevent the problem before it gets to that point.

That's your opinion. The majority of people I know think weather is important. Everyone knows the majority of people want the game so badly they would buy it if it used stick figures. I don't have a problem with end game being added via patch. Weather isn't endgame. Anyone that has Blizzard products, knows they don't leave out anything to be added later. We just don't the game rushed out.

Everyone has an opinion. I don't post my opinion, I post the things my guild doesn't like so anyone reading can decide if it impacts them or not. A post about your opinion with nothing backing it up, never made any sense to me, but it's an open forum.

Of course there are a few people posting in this forum now, that used to defend FFXI in those forums like it was the greatest game ever. Now those same people are agreeing with the points made by people they used to bash and flame.

After the newness of WoW is gone, all you have left to keep you playing is content. Since a non hardcore gamer can hit level cap in a couple months, the content comming post release will have to come relatively quick. It's a concern for some even if it isn't to all.