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#1 Sep 04 2004 at 6:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Copied from the FFXI MSG Board. Wanted to post it here to save it from being buried. BTW, yes, I did write this and everybody can put in your two cents on how the game is doing in your eyes also. Shorten to rid off anything FFXI related and not WoW related. I may compare some things to FFXI so sue me. Its the only MMO I played past my free month...

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I came into World of Warcraft as a Night Elf druid, the jack of all trades in the game that has the ability to shapeshift into various beasts depending on the situation of battle. I could not believe how beautiful the scenery of Darnassus, the Night Elf continent, was. It was like a painting mixed with colors only found in in Autumn. Before me stood a large tree/building reaching to the sky with the leaves of equally tall trees covered the sky. As I walked up to my first quest NPC, a soothing opera was singing in the background, preparing me for whats to come.

This is what I want in a MMO, immersion. This isn't like FFXI at all. Of all the 6 major cities of the game, it seems that every race starts in their own city. You build a community with your fellow race and you become great friends (or great enemies, I have met a few jerks but thats in all MMOs). You really don't appreciate this until you visit a zone under the control of another race. Truely a treat.

As I finished quest after quest thanks to the needy quest NPCs (Who are very easy to find. Just look for a yellow exclamation mark above their heads.), I noticed a theme for each race. You see, each race has a theme. Night Elves are all about the balance of nature and their fight to maintain that balance. The bullish humaniods Taurens are all about proving yourself to the tribe, whether its cleansing the earth or bringing back the head of an opposing tribesleader. Orcs are all about recovering their shamanic traditions that have been almost lost due to their demonic corruption long ago and making a home for themselves in the desert like continent of Kalimdor. This adds plenty of flavor to the races, giving you pride in your respected race.

As for the quests themselves, they are more important then FFXI's take on quests. In fact, they are needed for leveling. That's right, quests are the main form of exp in World of Warcraft. Not only that but they are more exciting then what FFXI offers. They usually involve a type of quest I love to call a linking quest (a quest that is made of smaller quests that make up a small story) Here is an example:

In a low level linking quest (around lv 3-5) I met a women looking for her friend who took a hike to a nearby cave. My first mission was to find him. As I looked nearby the cave, I found her friend (who was a male night elf) on the floor in pain. He explains that he was biten by a poisoned spider and he rushed me to alert his friend, the night elf woman concerned of his whereabouts, immediately. I went to her to tell her the news and she was afraid what would happen if we don't act fast. She sent me off to gather various materials to make an antidote, which could be found growing near trees except for a piece of a poisonous spider, which dropped on my first try. I gathered the items and she made the potion but time was passing. Her friend was weakening and she knew it, warning me that if I don't make it to her friend in 5 minutes (there was an actual counter for this) her friend will die. Luckly I made it on time and cured him of his illness. During this entire quest, I was able to level 1 time and was halfway before leveling again.

Now there are other quests but I won't spoil it for those who plan to get this game. I will say that quests later on will rely on parties but if you just want to solo monsters, you can. Any job can solo and solo just fine but if you want the good exp, you must tackle the tougher quests (and **** they are tough) with a good party. I must also say that party arrangement doesn't matter. Since the focus is on quests, getting the quest done is more important then how much exp you will get per hour. You have friends that want to level but are all warriors? You can as long as you come prepared (food, which heals hp off combat and potions for in combat.)

Dying is wonderful in this game. Its what I like to call "strict but fair." When you die, you will become a ghost in the nearest town's graveyard. This is where you make a choice: Either lose exp to respawn exactly where you are or spend minutes running back to your corpse. Did I mention there is no such thing as being deleveled? Instead, if you die and paid to respawn but you have no exp in your exp bar, you take a negative hit to your exp which makes it longer for you to level.

I can go on and on about how I love World of Warcraft and describe the features but I detect karma hits like crazy. Keep in mind this is a first impression and I'm still impressed with day 3 of beta now upon me. There are a few problems with the game (its still in beta, btw) but from what I see, it's the most polished MMO I have ever played, moreso then any other MMO in the market (Including FFXI). Take it as you will. I left FFXI because of the many problems that plagued the game but WoW addressed most of the problems and fixed them. This is what I want in a MMO and I cannot wait for retail.
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#2 Sep 04 2004 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Redmoonxl wrote:
omg wow suxxxx x an eq2 totaly wil kik itz a$$ ololol
I whole-heartedly agree.
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#3 Sep 04 2004 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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I liked the read i agree with everything that is written.
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#4 Sep 04 2004 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Knowing the people on the FFXI boards pretty well (take a look at my post count and see how much time I spent on alla's FFXI board, sad I know Smiley: grin)...

Let me guess, your karma took a huge hit huh?


hhhmmm maybe I'll go wander over there and fix it for ya...
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#5 Sep 05 2004 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Knowing the people on the FFXI boards pretty well (take a look at my post count and see how much time I spent on alla's FFXI board, sad I know )...

Let me guess, your karma took a huge hit huh?


hhhmmm maybe I'll go wander over there and fix it for ya...


lol Thanks, Seoman. As suspected, opinions will lead to karma hits in the FFXI. I was a 4.11 karma to 2.9 in under 5 secs. I try to lend some perspective on how WoW is to me, a former FFXI player, just to try to end the **** WoW vs FFXI threads but I guess I failed. Oh well, home sweet home. *sleeps in the WoW Allakazham forums*
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#6 Sep 05 2004 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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^^, I must say, I love WoW also, and Redmoon, very nice read, I am currently a lvl 17 (almost 18) Undead Rogue, and have completed MANY quests. I currently have herbalism, alchemy, first aid, enchanting, and fishing. This game has kept me awake 2 days straight so far and I am still not even CLOSE to bored. Who ever wants THE best MMO -- get WoW.
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#7 Sep 05 2004 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
You got in Creamed? o.O Congrats!! Mann I wish I was back to at least try to get in the Stress Test, Oh well *sigh* AWESOME READING RedmoonXL I left Final Fantasy for the Plague of Problems too and the stuff you said just sounded GREAT.

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#8 Sep 05 2004 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
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I just came back from **** aka the FFXI forums when I posted my reaction. I think I handled the flames well but I came close to flaming back. Where's JAEFo when I need him?

Anyways, here's the link:

WoW in the eyes of a former Red Mage: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1094360545991915347&num=56

Its.....an interesting read to say the least.
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#9 Sep 05 2004 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Nicholitheman: to get the link to work, between where you have the ...jpg][/link] but text between the ][.

Redmoonxl: made a post in your defence and in the FFXI defence (i tried neway), made a few ratings here and there as well. hope it helps.
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#11 Sep 05 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I went over to yourtopic and tried to defend you as well redmoon. My karma took a beating though. LOL
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#12 Sep 05 2004 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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I loved the guy that commented on how quickly people were leveling.

Doesn't he realize it's a beta test? Of course people level quickly, how else are you going to test the higher level content?

Sheesh.. some people just dont' think things thru..
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#13 Sep 05 2004 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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*Staggers in the thread*

*cough*

Tell my kids.....I won't be home....for christmas. *collapses and dies*
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#14 Sep 05 2004 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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heya i moved here from that forum :P
#15 Sep 05 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, I have not look at the thread because I can imagine their response.

They are going to be mad at the fact that they have spent (more like wasted) their heart and soul into FFXI to have a "high" level character with their AF1.

I'm also an ex-FFXI and like I have said in many of my post: I love FF games but FFXI was just too demanding. I'm sad I left FFXI but I'm glad WoW is almost here.

Red...don't mind them. They like "hard work"....to them it means searching for hours for a party and more hours grinding for exp and know nothing about the storyline.

Storyline in WoW = ownz (that's cus I don't even know the storyline for FFXI 0.o)
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#16 Sep 05 2004 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I liked FF till i found out that you had to be a hardcore powergamer to get any gil. Plus the economy is all out of wack and the look alikes everywhere. Just wasnt the game for me anymore.
#17 Sep 05 2004 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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the look alikes everywhere.

It was VERY annoying. And making gil in FFXI is more difficult than making money in real life.
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#18 Sep 05 2004 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Posting in any of the FFXI forums is pointless. They are as bad as the worldofwarcraft.com forums. Not to bash console players (I own a PS2 and an X-Box), but when the it came out on PS2 in NA the forums were flooded with 10 yr old fanbois. Also, most of the people who defend FFXI's flaws are low level in the game. The majority of us that quit, because of the obvious weaknesses of the game, are in the higher range of levels, 50-75.

FFXI is on the downside of it's MMO life. Both expansions were already precoded into the original game. I'd post a link to someone that proves this by showing the code, but it's not worth the time. I will bet any FFXI fanboi any amount of money there will never be new monster skins or classes added to FFXI. The bots will never be addressed, nor will the two major cultures playing the game ever truelly integrate.

The main reason FFXI stays moderately popular with NA's is that it's console based. As for the amount of users FFXI has. WoW and EQ2 combined will destroy FFXI's fanbase with the exception of the diehard Japenese that play via PS2.

Edited, Sun Sep 5 21:02:14 2004 by StumpyWSF
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#19 Sep 05 2004 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Another reason it stays populare is the Final fantasy name itself. Hopefully wow will be good. I didnt get in stress test :(
#20 Sep 05 2004 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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heheh worry not i added some heat to the flames. well alittle. Heck id even take daoc over ffxi anytime.
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#21 Sep 05 2004 at 10:38 PM Rating: Decent
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<- wishes someone had an extra stress test key to give me :P
#22 Sep 05 2004 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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arimer wrote:
<- wishes someone had an extra stress test key to give me :P


I'd love one too. Smiley: frown
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#23 Sep 05 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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I wish I had the world's most comfortable pair of pants. Because that would be great.
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#24 Sep 05 2004 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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JAEFo wrote:
I wish I had the world's most comfortable pair of pants. Because that would be great.

That's easy.

What I wish for is a WoW Key that wasn't invalid.

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Level 62 THF here. Quit last month. Was gonna wait till WoW comes out then compare both but couldnt take it anymore. You can't have a real life and accomplish something in FFXI at the same time. The thing is, most of people I know in FFXI are convinced there's nothing wrong with it.

I'm not a FF fan and the Japanese RPGs i've played are very few, so i'm not a fanboy. The way these fanboys talk about FFXI is like Square are the people who created MMORPGs or something. FFXI has some really good things going for it. Too bad the bad overshadows the good.

The problem with most people comparing WoW to other MMORPGs is that they are either Blizzard fanboys or FFXI bashers so this topic was a nice change.
#26 Sep 06 2004 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Never played FF but having a good time in WOW, well aside from the fact we keep crashing the servers!

We are ubah stress testers hehe.

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So can anyone tell me about the paladin class, I know its a war/cleric mix but how do their seals work? As i understand it you can cast one seal per person? so you can have different seals up on everyone or is it only one person you can seal. Are the paladins in this the sword weilding type or the classic hammer type? Also how does the pvp play out?
#28 Sep 06 2004 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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What I wish for is a WoW Key that wasn't invalid.


It'll come, it'll come...

By the way, what lv is MC Hammer? I say we raid him and get his pants.
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#29 Sep 06 2004 at 2:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Redmoonxl wrote:

By the way, what lv is MC Hammer? I say we raid him and get his pants.


lol, type in /dance on any orc. there ya go.
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#30 Sep 06 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Hammer is a lvl 50 human hasbeen. His attacks consist of funky dancing and parachute pants attack.
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arimer wrote:
Hammer is a lvl 50 human hasbeen. His attacks consist of funky dancing and parachute pants attack.


Don't forget his dreaded "U Can't Touch This" defense.
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#32 Sep 06 2004 at 8:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Just stopped playing FFXI for several different reasons.

I'm still not sure whether I want to start WoW or EQ II when they both come out, but it's good to know y'all are enjoying yourselfs.
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