I wish Blizzard would make a hardcore mode server :(Follow

I'm pretty sure we all made lvl 99 before the expansion.
The only exception might be myself since I didn't play as much as the rest of them.

I definitely know one guy in our group made it to 99 about 5-6 weeks after it came out. He played a Paladin nonstop for those weeks. Then he helped us level the other characters up to 99. The next two to go in were a Sorc and an Amazon.....I can't remember the order after that.

I know I definitely made it in with my Druid after the expansion. But as you said, it was dead easy to do after the expansion.

(Regular mode...not hardcore)

I must admit that I find it humourous that people use terms like "too afraid" or "if you have the guts" when discussing a persons preference for Hardcore, PvP, or PvE. What does it have to do with fear? Absolutely nothing. It's merely a persons preference on how they want to spend their time online in a Pay-to-Play environment.

That kind of talk takes me back to the 3rd grade...

It's not about gloating... A lot of people do fear losing their chars.. whether its pay to play or hc diablo 2.. If you actually played it, you would understand how ****** it feels to lose your char.. or if someone hostiles you.. how you will **** your pants lol

Ok I'm so ******* sick of people who play hardcore thinking they are so much better than people who play softcore in Diablo 2. I played Diablo 2 for over 3 years, and let me ******* tell you, that this ******** you're saying about how hardcore characters "perfect" their characters, and softcore newbs don't care is ******* ********* You make these retarded statements with what you saw in an "a1 hell game" to back them up.

Anyway, my point is - my SC characters were PERFECT, and so were a whole ******** of other peoples SC characters.

They had the BEST possible gear, the best faster cast rate breakpoint, the best faster hit recovery breakpoint, perfect charms, etc... Don't come here and say people who played SC don't know **** about surviving because let me tell you, you have no clue what you're talking about. WHen you're leveling up and you die, you lose a huge chunk of experience. Even in 1.09 when you could get it back in 20 minutes, or an hour, depending on your level, it was still a ***** and pissed people off. Good players RARELY die, and when they do, it's either due to lag, or being 7vs1 in a duel game. My old barb died probably a total of 6 or 7 times (would've been zero if I had used chicken), and all the times he died it was when he was against 3-7 bugged perm slowing zons all vs him. It was a real ***** when I died too because he always had at least 1mill gold on him, and dropping it and letting one of the ******** who killed me take it was really annoying.

Diablo 2 was all about PvP for me, and thousands of others. Dying in duels isn't fun, so people learned, and made better characters, never wasted a single stat, never wasted a single skill point, made their characters PERFECT. Obviously you never played SC much or you'd know what it was all about.

I'm not saying HC isn't fun, or you guys are newbs for playing HC, but please, don't come here are talk **** about how SC people are all newbs because it's not true AT ALL.

ANYWAY.. Back on topic.

I think a hardcore server would be great. If you don't want to play on it, that's fine, don't play on it. If you're a fan of HC play then play on the server. The determining factor should really be how many people will be playing on it, not whether it will be fun for people who don't like HC.

After reading this entire forum I woul dhave to easily say....

HARDCORE IS DUMB you cna't do a ahrdcore server and to you hardcore in D2 is awesome but to me, it is retarded! You die once and you finish if you had the greatest items int he game you die and its over. POINTLESS! Now if this were a PvP server I would say yes do it they are a lot of fun. But not a Hardcore server.

Not to mention youd be missing out on the quests you get while you are dead.

Thrill? Go skydiving or something.

But not with JAEF's patented "Special Pack Parachute o' Fun!" Just try it one more time eh?
Not a very nice thing to say when you're posting on a forum. The forum is for conversation! If we all stfu, there's no conversation. That would make me sad.

This game is more like Everquest than Diablo, despite it being made by Blizzard. You are aware that Sony tried to make a server with this in mind, called the discord server, only when you died you kept your equipment and simply reset your level to 1. (In Everquest, that may as well be starting over unless you had some awesome equipment.)

The server got a small flurry of activity for a week or two, and by the time a month had gone by, it was deserted. I don't think they even keep the server up still. Few people were getting past level 15, and these are veterans of the game. In Diablo terms, that's like just playing up to Andariel. The games, and genres, do not equate. What works for Diablo will not inherently work for other games.

I'll tell ya what I'll do though. I'll start playing a character that I know how to play, and am experienced with. I have an alt I started with the new push that is presently level 7, and I think has only died once. When he dies another 3 times, I will stop and tell you how far I got. I only say three times because it won't mean anything if I run into a freak accident.

Be back in a couple hours~

anyways, i'm just glad there's gonna be PVP in the game :D

I didn't mean to compare it that way...

But let me give an example.. i've been in the army... so were a lot of buddies of mine.. our fav game happens to be Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield.. We don't like other shooters, but we love that game.. why? Because it has that realistic aspect to it...it's a one hit kill and has a very realistic aspect, weapons, equipment among other things... does it make it less fun cause it's more Simulation then let's say all those DOOM or UNREAL TOURNAMENT games... Is it because we were in the army that we like that game? I don't know.. I know a lot of other people who never touched a gun who enjoys that game also.

The fact that we can't stand those games because peopel jump around shooting everything nonstop.. it's just not fun for us.. we rather enjoy use our brain and find ways to beat the opponent instead of running amock shooting like we're rambo.


And we know its just a game.. but that's the aspect of the game that makes it fun for me and for others... That doesn't mean that I have no life, no other things to do.. nothing fun to do in my real life.. I play sports.. I go to bars.. it's just I don't play many games caues most of them don't interest me..

^^ my 2 cents.

OK, started playing my character from level 6. I died twice in the first five minutes, but this was my own stupidity, so I'm not counting that. After that, I was fine for almost two hours. I got to level 9 without a hitch. Then I did a quest with somebody in the area of that quest, who happened to be grouped with someone else. When I finished that quest and moved on, that other person insisted on grouping and was an idiot and got me killed at the hands of several spell-casting harpies. Death #1.

I promptly left that group and went off to do something else. I've always said herbalism will be the end of me, and not ten minutes later, I proved it. I saw a lovely little flower on my minimap and moved towards it, stopping short a smidge too late to stop from being attacked by two nightstalkers - cats that move in stealth until you get near them. I can survive being beat on by two creatures long enough to run away. However I realized right before I died that a third one came out of the woodwork to keep me from being able to successfully shield-and-run. Death #2.

Ok, have to be more careful. I did a quest inside a dungeon by myself, albeit there were a lot of other people clearing the area, so it was pretty safe. Then I had a quest to go kill Ursal the Mauler. Ursal's in an encampment with about 10 other furbolgs, fairly packed together. Some group was already there and killed him right before I arrived. While waiting on his respawn, I got killed by the other mobs popping. Death #3.

I ran back, rezzed in a corner. Carefully pulled my way out of there, killed Ursal, and then died trying to leave the area. Had my hearthstone been active, I would have just used it, but instead I got gunned down by about 4 spellcasters trying to run out. (I didn't think I was going to be able to single pull my way out safely.) Death #4.

So finally I try to go back and try to do the harpies quest again. I'm level 11 now. They're level 8 and 9. Except that half of them are over-powered spellcasters. I get into a shoot-out with one, that I would have won, when another comes out of nowhere and starts clawing me in the back, preventing me from casting my spells, notably the healing ones. Death #5.

I stopped at this point. Now, almost all these deaths didn't bother me. I got to think over my mistakes for a couple minutes as I ran back to my corpse and realize what I maybe did wrong. But the only thing that would have maybe prevented deaths 2-5 was grouping with somebody, and, well, my first death was *because* I was grouping with someone, so that isn't an immediate solution.

This took place over a span of about 3 real-time hours, about a half hour of which I was afk. That means I died an average of about once every half hour. I realize that some of these deaths were circumstantial, but I know my class, know the quests, and know how to play the game in general. I'd like to think I'm not a total idiot or a "casual player." Still, I died. Repeatedly. Still want a hardcore server?

The bottom line is that there is a very small select minority who would be interested in hardcore, and those people aren't enough of a player base to make a game out of, if it means alienating most of the other players. I think an MMO that was hardcore only would be alienating. I think one where hardcore was even feasible probably would be.

Dungeons could not be designed with the expectation that you would die several times figuring it out, and would have to be quite simplistic and non-challenging for the mostpart. Players would have to be given several escape-type skills or an incredible amount of survivability, or it would be too easy to wipe, especially at the hands of someone else training you (accidentally or purposefully.) Every class would have to have some means of readily healing themselves, because who in their right mind would trust another person with their health?, which would make "healing" classes non-existant and everyone just variants of tanks, ranged combat, and combinations of them. The leveling curve would have to be extremely quick to compensate for the fact that your first time fighting some boss-type guy at level 20, you get a total beatdown and can't just try again right away because you have to start a new character.

You would, in essence, be trying to make Diablo the MMO, and I'm not saying Diablo isn't a good game, but it isn't cut out for the sort of experience that an MMO creates. If you try to argue that a game almost identical to Diablo, just in a static world with more than 8 people, would, I think you haven't really played an MMORPG. MMOs are about playing a single character to its extreme. In a social context, people know you as your character, which would disappear when you died. From a player-goal point of view, you strive to get certain items and accomplish certain feats, which you could never complete if you died once and had to start over. The way an MMO is played is not the way Diablo is played, and while the two are not mutually exclusive, they definitely do not coincide.