I wish Blizzard would make a hardcore mode server :(Follow

That is not a good idea in my humble opinion, for the main reasons that there are many bugs and disconnects in the first few months of existence of a MMORPG.

Losing your character to a bug, after you have invested a ton of hours in it is not really my idea of fun.

Neither is losing my characters to cheaters, hackers and backstabbers like in Diablo 2.

considering how many times i died just in the first 10 min of play.... no.

Well, cheaters, hackers and botters are rampant in FFXI ( think about all those bot NM hunters or fishers. )

Then take a look at lineage 2: Cheaters by the dozens. Just a look at their board will confirm you that.

Exploiters have always been a problem in MMORPG, and it would be in hardcore games I think.

Also, I suppose that by your plan, if you die to a mob, yoiu are also dead forever, unless I'm wrong.

Everyone has died at least once, even in a 1 year old MMORPG because they loaded 3 seconds after the mob, that was camping the zone line on the other side. That would be way too risky.

Also, what about the guy who fights a mob, then when he is near death, get jumped by a stalker that kills him........no one would go out to fight anymore.

An alternative I thought about might be this. Hardcore server with new items and storylines for examples, BUT you don't die once and for all from mobs or from players in the wilderness ( of course its a pvp server ) that is just a normal death.

BUT, to earn the right to stay on the server you MUST duel a member of the opposing faction at least once a week in specialized "arenas". You can either go one on one, or in group. This is a fight to the death, and if you lose your character, then its dead for good.

Those zones could be supervised by GM's against cheating and hacking.

Now I would jump both feet in your hardcore server...

I don't think I'm over reacting to pk as a whole. The problem I have is mainly with dying from something that is not implemented in the game.

(EX: Lie, cheat, 3rd party program as a whole. )

If this is controlled, then I'm up for it, because when I die, I'll only have myself to blame or the other player to praise.

Now since this is a pay to play

I think there should be a way to manage to get most of your stuff back in your bank or whatever..

Like I said, there is many things that can be considered to make the Hardcore thing attractive, yet extremely dangerous..

You obviously haven't played the game. Flaming is not amusing.

And to as to hardcore mode (for ANY MMORPG for that matter):

No no no no no never no no.

And no. I don't care how deranged you are, that would never be entertaining.

I'm getting sick of people compairing Diablo 2 and World of Warcraft. I bought Diablo 2 when it came out and played both softcore and hardcore plenty. If you want Diablo 2, you go play Diablo 2. That is a game type that can support hardcore play. The internet is a fickle mistress, and when one lag spike can cost you weeks and weeks of work, is it really worth it?

An MMOG with a hardcore feature, even if the entire MMO was built around the hardcore feature, would be a dirt poor MMOG.

I just like that a lot for some reason. In fact I think I'll sig that.

Edited, Wed Jun 9 23:02:37 2004 by JAEFo

You're right, but I don't think there'll be high demand for a server where you can create a character that could get wiped out because of:
-lag
-computer glitch
-dog peeing on your leg as you're about to kill the other guy
-pop up window popping up at the worst moment

Getting hit by a car is a chance people take every day, but it's also something they can prepare for and avoid. Don't cross against the light; don't play in traffic; look both ways before crossing the street, etc. It's part of the details of life that we are used to.

The fact is that not many people want to play a game that mimics real life in ALL those details. They play a game to escape and have fun. And one of the best parts of playing games is the fact that you have second chances...third chances...etc. You can always restore from a save point and fix your mistakes.

I'm not saying that no one out there wants the hardcore server. I'm just saying that few people want it.

Every once in a while, the topic of a hardcore server comes up on the beta discussion boards, and every time it gets shot down.

To your credit, people should not be dying excessively in the first 10 minutes of play, as Tartesk indicates. I was playing for about 3 hours, and level 6 or 7, before I died the first time.

But die, you will. It happens. It's part of the game. You take one step into the wrong area, you get jumped by high-level creatures and die. You wander into some dungeon somebody else had cleared and get caught in their respawn, you die.

People put entirely too much effort into MMO games, and unlike Diablo, the game is designed to be very strictly not-PL-able, and not a super quick level gain. People talk about how they could get a character to level 70 in 2 days in Diablo. There are a couple yahoos that got their character to 39 with the advent of the last push, but most people who had been playing the game previously still took well over two weeks.

In addition, PvP is far from balanced. I'm not saying it was in Diablo. But Blizzard is still working hard on making their PvP system reasonable and I have my doubts it ever will be. Not that I planned on playing PvP in the first place.

In addition, I have played hardcore in Diablo, and while it was neat at first, when I got caught in one bad situation with an LE and died, even while only in act III in normal, I got extremely upset. I tried it again and got further, before dying horribly to Baal. I gave up on hardcore after that and didn't intend to go back in that game. There are some games I think could support the option nicely, but they are games that don't have character abilities specifically designed to return people to life when they die. Any game that has a "resurrection" skill clearly *intends* for you to die occasionally, and in a game like that, HC will never work.

Actually, before the expansion, the original diablo 2, there was only ONE character that managed to get to lvl 99 and it was in softcore and actually took him over a year to do it.

the highest hardcore character was like lvl 89 which took him nearly a year also.. it wasn't until the expansion that power levling started and everything gotlame.


Now as I said, the problem with hardcore mode in the current gaming mode is that it's not compatible with ffxi or other games out there.. why? Because the option was not considered so there was no need for it.

However, when you talk about how you died of a LE or such, and that it frustrated you.. my question is, how come hundreds of thousands of hardcore players died and yet kept playing over and over? Maybe hardcore doesn't suit you?

I honestly have only died once in hardcore due to a monster. it was act 3 nightmare and i was only lvl 37, I didn't even know what those blowing up dolls were so leaped one which was also lightning enhanced.. died on the spot.. I was so pissed lol.. it took time, but I got over it.

the difference is, I LEARNED from that lesson and I never made stupid mistakes like that again.. for 2 years, i never died in hardcore unless it involved duels. i had lvl 99 hardcore char and a lvl 75 hardcore character(in normal d2 where it was increidbly harder)

the thing is, when I used to go back to softcore, I would notice people dying every 5 minutes.. and it's as if they have nothing to worry about, they go kill fast fast fast die, go back kill.. for me personally, it was so dull.. the characters were poorly built compared to the hardcore ones and the gaming factor was so tamed.


Hardcore isn't for everyone and it will never be. It's like games like Raven Shield.. most people just like DOOM games where you shoot baddies and kill kill kill.. where Raven Shield is based on realistic fighting, which imo, draws me far more into the game then a unreal tournament game.

And There is many ways to fix the lag problem.. first of all, they could find out if it was their servers that lagged or yours.. since you're paying for the game, they always automatically check if their servers caused the death or such.. it is however your responsibility on your side. If you have 56k or some crappy cable conection,t he hardcore isn't for you.

i have been playign ffxi for a long time now, i haven't had a single ounce of lag.. EVER!

And let's face it, if you played diablo 2, you would know what saturday night lag is all about.. yet a LOT of people managed to survive through it.. why? cause you ADAPT.. someone with a normal character mentality would never survive cause his idea of fighting is just going in the fight no holds barred..

while the hardcore finds every little aspect of making his character perfect, and saves his money for the important things such as potions, ways of escape, among other things.

I disagree

I'm 100% sure if they did a Diablo mmorpg, a hardcore mode game would attract MANY people

Anyone could reach lvl99 after the expansion..

do you remember before the expansion came out.. how hard it was to lvl up past lvl 50.. heck the first guy that managed to get to lvl 99(softcore) had 7 other people practically going with him to diablo in hell(which was suicide back then) help him out till he is almost dead and he would kill him alone to get more exp.. for like weeks he did that to get from lvl 94 to 99


and hardcore was simply impossible to reach lvl 99 back then.. it wasn't until the expansion where people started lvlin like crazy in the cow lvls over and over again and made the game lame.