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#27 Jul 26 2004 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a level 37 mage and have probably soloed him 90% of the way. I also have a 30 Warlock I soloed much of the time. From a loot standpoint, soloing is much more efficient, as you are guaranteed to get all the rare drops. From an experience point, I still think you level faster soloing. A mage killing equal level mobs has virtually no downtime. The only time a group is needed is for dungeons, and during prime time there are always people looking for groups for the dungeons simply because everyone gets the same quests. It's nothing like FFXI in that respect.
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#28 Jul 26 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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well subverted, just spend 3+ weeks in kazham trying to get a group and then u will want to solo as well :P

im so glad that ill be able to solo. In FFXI you have no choice and if you want to play a class thats interesting to you like THF for instance u have to just wait for a whm to /t Hey wanna pt? Otherwise you just sit there, for hours, nothing to do but wait for a pt cuz u cant solo and ur wastin ur 12 $ a month.

PTing is more fun, granted, but i can pt if i WANT to in WoW. Which of course, i will :)
#29 Jul 26 2004 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Furthermore, I like how in WoW, you see all types of groups. Two people might just team up to do a quick quest, then disband. The groups are varied and inteersting. It's not always 6 people and always a certain demographic split. I enjoy the MMO-economics more than the grouping (or sitting for an hour or two with a flag up), and that's why (once the AH gets streamlined) I like WoW more than FFXI.
#30 Jul 26 2004 at 3:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow (pun intended), thats good to hear! I have been reading up on WoW for a while and it looks to be about the best replacement for FFXI when it comes out. I am not particularly looking to solo unless I have no other choice. I use my thf and warrior as an example. In Valkrum it took me 2 hours to get a group as a thf. As a warrior in Qufim I would sit for 3 to 4 hours looking for a group. Soloing with both of those classes can be slow (extremely) and tedious. I played this game to replace D&D since I can't find a group (in a college town no less). Unfortunately, most of the people don't seem interested in roleplaying. Not to mention the waiting just to find a group is absolutely stupid. I fish when I can, but doing that in Qufim is kind of suicidal for a level 23 warrior.
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#31 Jul 27 2004 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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THANK GOD you can solo!


About the people complaining that this is a MMORPG.. yes its a roleplay.. waht if you want to be a loner and go kill people in pvp servers.. why can't someone have that choice?

the fact is, waiting for 2-3 hours for a freaking party in FFXI is pathetic enough.. and by the time you find a party, one guy's toes is hurting, the other his mommy is calling and one has to take a ****.. and it falls appart after a few kills..

by thtat time, you would've leveled if you were able to solo.

I love to solo, and its perfect for MMORPG.. in real life, not everyone has to be around people and do stuff with people.. u can do it on your own also.. which is why its only normal that the option is there. what's next.. "you need to be in a party to craft an item..."

I still don't understand why people COMPLAIN about that option.. nobody asks u to solo.. go play parties all you want, i'll solo if i feel like it. ^^
#32 Jul 28 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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NBKNAS that guy is sayin that if soloing is too easy/equal to pting, no1 will ever want to, and he wont ever be able to cuz there wont be any1 out there looking for groups. This is a reasonable concern, however, if you cant even get a pt in the first place you cant play the game in ffxi, if you get no pts in WoW just solo and continue on!
#33 Aug 04 2004 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
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theres a reason I like wow so mush... well severall reasons and very good chance to solo is one of them... as my name says I like to solo. Groups are useful but yeah...
#34 Aug 04 2004 at 10:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I've NEVER had any issue getting a party going in FFXI. If I don't get an invite, I do this magical little thing called making my own (Something people are so hesitant on doing). I can always get a party going within 30 minutes just about. The reason I'm quitting FFXI is the huge necessity of acquiring very very expensive items...and having no real way to get them except acquiring other very very expensive items to sell. (Emperor's Hairpin is 400k on my server, I required that to level my Nin Thf or Rng past 24...not an easy thing to get when your highest level is 30)

The problem with a soloing aspect being strong is, nobody will WANT to party. Why party when you can solo faster and make more XP?

And why would I want to play a Massively Multiplayer game if I want to solo? Yes, you may want to be a loner. But why not play one of the many other fantastic single-player RPGs out there, the ones that don't require you to pay a monthly fee to be on the same server as other people (That you apparently won't be playing with).

That's my problem with making soloing strong...you could alienate the players who do want a party, because so few people will be seeking. I'll be forced into soloing, something I don't really want to do except on rare occasions
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#35 Aug 05 2004 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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You can alienate the people who want to solo or the people who want to party, but there's everyone in-between who has a limited amount of time to play, and if they are forced to group, and find the perfect party, you are alienating their ability to play within their time constraints.
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#36 Aug 25 2004 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, to all of you who say that making soloing an option will stop all partying whatsoever, plz, stfu. you guys know too well that partying is WAY more fun than soloing and WAY less mind numbing.

That said lets find out why would we make soloing possible for every class.

1) Some people have a life. Some people don't have time to waste waiting for a party. And some people that pay 12$/month want to to whatever they want during their play time.

2) About that "loner" crap I've been reading on other posts. Get real! No one is gonna be a loner and not ever get in a party. Every one will want to party, but also people will want to be doing stuff everytime they aren't partying (or aren't on for long enough to get a party going).

3) You know those things called friends? Wait, you'll want to party with your friends... so... i guess you won't be soloing after all! So don't give me anything like : "People will only solo", cause people won't.

Last, to all of you that say this game will be *** because there will be less/no parties, go buy FFxi. Good graphics, good game. Well worth 12$/month if you like to wait around.


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#37 Aug 30 2004 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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This is the way I like to play:

I solo to "train" my character. Get my skills up, level, raise money, do some quests.

I party for the fun stuff, high end battles, dungeon crawls, tougher quests, high level mobs.

The thing that finally made me quit FFXI was having to spend so much time in parties grinding out levels. Get into a bad party, it was a bad experience.

What I loved about UO was the ability to go spend an hour or so working on my skills, then join up with my guildmates and put those skills to use.

I don't mind partying for experience, it can be fun if in a good group, but to me the best use of a party is in taking a group and decimating a camp/town/dungeon.
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#38 Aug 30 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I have played FFXI, and i was a WHM, i know ppl will say oh eveery one wants a healer, bad part was it takes forever to find a group where the XP is decent. I could spend 2 hours looking for a group, and play for 2 hours and get maybe 2k-4k xp, IMO thats not worth it. I have bin reading about WOW since last year about the same time, and from wut i know soloing is an option, but in groups the xp is faster, in FFXI that wasnt possible, unless u were a BSM or SMN. WOW is allowing th eplayer to choose to party or solo, and either of th echoices wont effect the overall fun factor of the game. . .unlike FFXI
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#39 Aug 31 2004 at 11:15 AM Rating: Default
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The main Reason the game devolopers made games online was to bring the gaming world ONLINE so YOU could play with and battle other people. they didnt make it so you could solo the game.
Soloing in a MMO is just like playing a Game that does not have a online capability... its 1 player. now me as a gamer enjoys the abiliy to solo and group efientienly but why would u wana play by your self.

if u wanna go solo go play final fantasy 7-10 and FFX-2.
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#40 Aug 31 2004 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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one of my FFXI buds spent over 3 weeks LFG on one of the high lvl quests. He said that the actual time spent was somthing like 20-30 hours, the normal play time of an OFFLINE rpg, lol. I like grouping, but I dont want to wait for other people. Anyone who says that its an MMO and you SHOULD play with people ALL the time, go play a THF in FFXI dammit, then you'll know how it is.
#41 Aug 31 2004 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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A MMORPG is an RPG still, this means that you can play/do whatever you want.

I love FFXI and all the series (yes even FF:Mystic Quest for SNES). I had to leave FFXI because, as someone said above, it felt like work rather than a game. I don't have the time in real life since I have my first full time job now. After a couple of months, I simply had to quit. I tried many classes that were party-friendly (i.e. mages, bard) and finally BST.

The BST is THE only class that can solo successfully. Even when I was playing at my own time and did my research to level up my BST, I couldn't raise him as fast as I wanted to. I felt bad because I was hoping to invest less time and get more fun out of the game.

It seems to be for me:

If I had time ---> FFXI
No time ---------> WoW

I love Warcraft series too anyway so I guess it's not to bad.

Summary:
I'd love to play with friends and guildmates but some people have other responsibilities in real life too. "Adults" also play these games you know.
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#42 Aug 31 2004 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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Blazerman wrote:
The main Reason the game devolopers made games online was to bring the gaming world ONLINE so YOU could play with and battle other people. they didnt make it so you could solo the game.
Soloing in a MMO is just like playing a Game that does not have a online capability... its 1 player. now me as a gamer enjoys the abiliy to solo and group efientienly but why would u wana play by your self.

if u wanna go solo go play final fantasy 7-10 and FFX-2.


Solo in an MMORPG does not mean "I don't like playing with other people and want to do it myself".

Solo in an MMORPG means "the ability to fight a monster/do a quest by yourself".

People that are asking about soloing are not saying they don't want to party/play with others, they are saying that if no one is around/not in the mood/bored/whatever that they can fight monsters and still make some experience.

Better experience should come in a group effort, but you should still be able to get experience by yourself.

Go play FFXI, sit in Jeuno for hours on end, waiting for a party and being unable to form one because one of the required classes (tank or healer or both) is not available/not wanting to party.

Go play FFXI and get into an incredibly crappy party and see how fun it is.
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#43 Aug 31 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Blazerman - even if you play one of the other FF installments, you're still in a party. A party entirely under your control, but a party nonetheless, and the game has a much different feel, with everything being scripted and sequenced. The only REAL analog I can see being appropriate is a game like Morrowind. Many players have asked Bethedsa to make a multiplayer version of Morrowind.

That said, even though Morrowind was in some regards a horrible game, it was also a truly great one in others, and that sort of appeal in a game is not worth disregarding. Yes, the game may be on-line, but WoW gives you the option to be off by yourself when you choose, rather than being forever at the mercy of random pick-up groups.
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#44 Aug 31 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Azuarc wrote:
rather than being forever at the mercy of random pick-up groups.



Random pick-up groups =

1 night: 5k exp an hour

another night: 100 exp an hour
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#45 Aug 31 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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M - Massive
M - Mutliplayer
O - Online

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't this what MMO means? Where do people get "must group" from these three words? The reason an online game is more fun and challenging than a single player game is the interaction with other people. It should be your choice if that interaction is by grouping.

The greatest challenge in any online game comes from pvp, not grouping. Anyone can mindlessly bash mob after mob in a group for four hours to gain exp. Computer AI will never equal the intelligence (or lack of ^^) and diverse playstyles of other people.





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#46 Aug 31 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
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seoman- I Understand what u mean by being able to get experience when members are not avalible to party. i was simply trying to expalin to people that mmo are not made to solo. now being able to solo when party people are not avaiable is nice.


ive had some people on other forums that say they will solo the whole game and im like wtf. so thats what made me post that topic.



like i agree with solo i willl prolly solo till level 10 and then solo somemore till i find a group.
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#47 Aug 31 2004 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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rgr to that
imo, anyone that will solo the entire game is a complete moron and misses the point of this game. but heh, they pay 12$ a month, so y can't they do whatever they want.

so far on this post, we're debating the issue of whether your gonna be able to solo the entire game or not, when the real issue is : will we be at the mercy of parties?

the answer to that is a clear no! you will be able to do SOME of the quests and level up in SOME of the areas by yourself. now no one said you will be able to clear all the dungeons by yourself and do all the quests on you own. like, NO ONE said that.

if your afraid people will get way much higher level way faster by soloing, well who cares. there will probly be a bunch of 14 years old that will get to level 50 in 2 weeks anyway (from playing 26 hours a day), so just do your thing and nevermind the other players.

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#48 Aug 31 2004 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I justy hope that its nuthing like FFXI, i was a WHM so i was solely dependant on groups for getting xp, and even then it wasnt good, i like to solo, but groups r fun since u can RP in them, hopefully i can do both without being slowed down in ne way


th eone thing that ****** me off in FFXI, is th exp was crap all the time, and there was no great way to level fast, it was the one thing that made me quite it, it was to much grinding and wut i got from it seemed not worth it
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#49 Sep 01 2004 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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You guys should be careful for what you wish for. Solo is great, but if you can solo as much as you want it will cease to be a MMORPG. Large groups of people, on average tend to take the easiest path. If the easiest path is soloing it could be a major problem. I couldnt imagine soloing the amount of mobs I have killed in FFXI, I would have quit long ago, it would have driven me insane. Some jobs dont get invites, which is a major problem, chalk that up to balance issues. And if you think its gonna be easy to just level because you can solo thats simply not going to be the case, Blizzard doesnt want people to blow through the levels solo, cause people are gonna get very bored. I personally enjoy the FFXI party's, yes it does suck not to get invites, but there is a ton of stuff to do in the meantime. Currently I am level 66 and am never bored because there is simply to much to acomplish. I wouldnt have made it this far without the parties, and all the FFXI sucks because you cant solo talk is actually very shortsighted, you guys simply arent aknowledging what makes a MMORPG great.
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#50 Sep 01 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Venifiris, I already responded to the other post you made, which btw says the same **** thing this post says. You need to make a trip to worldofwarcraft.com and actually read what Bliz developers have said they are trying to accomplish in WoWs design. The tedium and repetative grinding and lfg in your beloved FFXI is what Bliz is trying to avoid. What keeps people playing an MMO isn't boring leveling, it's content and end game. WoW has no end game in it right now, although the hero system sound promising.

Coming to a forum and posting opinion with no facts is just ignorant. Go to the WoW site and grab some facts about the game, or better yet just go back to the FFXI forums.

And btw, reaching level cap in FFXI is not an accomplishment. It takes time to gain levels and nothing more. The thought of sitting in Jueno with the seek flag up has made many people through FFXI in the trash.

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#51 Sep 01 2004 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Things to do while waiting for a exp party in FFXI:

1) Lv a subjob that you really hate to lv just because if you level your wanted subjob you are considered gimp and will not get invites.

2) Camp NMs while you try to compete with botting players. Not only that but endure a long respawn timer.

3) Lv your tradeskill but crafting the same recipe over and over again only to have the materials lost because you keep failing thus losing money in the process. Oh well, tradeskills are not moneymakers just like Square intended.

4) Attempt to solo only to be jumped by 3 easys that tear you limb from limb.

5) Buy sneak and prism power to sneak around in high lv areas because its the real only thing you can do. After walking around in the high lv areas, become surprised that bombs in Ifrit's Caldron and La Thiene look exactly alike.

6) Farm for goods only to have your items undercut because you didn't wait for prime hours to get the true amount your items are worth. I mean, its not like you have a life. Then again, NPCs are not a good source of money anyways. On the upside, 50 more real life days and you can finally afford that one sniper ring that you need otherwise you'll never get a party anyways.

7) Go questing only to get an item that's as special as prechewed gum. Then again, some quests you will need to do with a party so expect to wait with seek up anyways.

8) Do nothing and just sit around with seek up. Hey, you do know you're not playing a MMO for fun but only to stare at the screen? Look at the bright side, you can turn on the news and educate yourself with whats up with the world.

Ohhhh and the list goes on and on. Doesn't this sounds like fun, guys?

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