FFXI vs. WoWFollow

Alrighty guys, after reading some more opinions and input of the 2 games just because some of you either have forgotten some of the things or just hve overlooked them. But before I start to add some of the things (pros/cons for both games) I'd like to respond to some of the key things said by some of you.


No, No No! First thing I want to ask you is, have you seen some of the godliest items in FFXI? Either sold or worn by people? Because I'll tell you, they are very VERY expensive. Try being a lvl 75 and wearing the things your 'supposed' to wear and see if you can catch up to them. Take it from a lvl 75 owner, I've been that lvl for about 2-3 months now and I still havnt cought up to the REALLY good stuff. Yes I have the best shield in the server, but thats the only item I have that of the best quality. The rest are either items I have gotten from quests, or items are are good but not great.


Just because its not like WoW doesnt make it less reqarding. I mean have you tried going up to fight the Gods? Probably not. or there's a good possibility your not 75. Fighting the gods is both explore-rewarding as well as quest-rewarding. One of the things I like about that is that you get to see whats beyond 'lvl 75' and at the same time awaiting for some good item.


Thats one of the best things in FFXI. Haard work to achieve what you want. Lots of XP to lvl and lots of monster killing to get that next skill your hoping to get. And plus its what good for the game. Might not be good for us the players as we are the ones paying to see our character to lvl 75 but good for them cuz their winning our money. At the same time we are enjoying the game. its a win-win situation.


That just proves my point even further. That in WoW you lvl so much easier. That not only works bad for the company, but for some of us who actually enjoy the hard work to get where you wanna be. If this remains, poeple will be max lvl so fast that their gonna stay for at most 5 more months at that lvl and just quit. Thats Blizz's loss.


You just mentioned more then half of the jobs in that list that have easy time getting parties. Im a PLD/WAR and I have no problem getting parties. Plus if your hardcore and smart then you should get a linkshell going. Otherwise suffer the consequences of standing alone. If you like playing not groups, MMO's are not the game for u. Go play D2 or sumthing. Or just pick a Bst/Whm. Their pretty good Solo jobs.


Thats one of things that might be on the cons list. Tho not necesserily. There's people who have those items and what does that tell u? It tells me that its not impossible. resort to crafting if your in desparate need of gil.


Thats good isnt it? Having an army after just 1 boss. So fun and confusing. Its beautiful. Kind of like L2's Castle Seiges. Every MMO has its uniqueness and I think this is FFXI's.


I think this is in WoW too. Or at least very close. They have similar armors just diff colors.


TOTALLY agree. This MUST be changed. If it doesnt, it will be so very negative to the game.


Maybe not a race in the sense of 'who gets first to 75' but in the sense they think their superior(in which case they are for starting earlier) and I remember when I started and sometimes I needed help with something, the Jp people would'nt help US at all. it was really rare that I found a JP who helped US players. This happened when PS2 players came. It was different however, at that time the waves of newcomers had us to help them. They had it easier. Thats why games should start same time everywhere. In this case I think Blizz should hold off WoW to JP for a year :P (j/k) ^_^

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Alrite I'll add something to the list I previously posted about FFXI vs WoW. The fact that FFXI is a larger world (I think) then WoW makes it have more things to do. More fun exploring and stuff. Another important fact about FFXI is that it has more jobs then WoW. It also allows you to have a subjob which combines and gives more verity of strategies and stuff. Also FFXI has more music. I like the fact then when Im wondering around I listen to music (even tho at this point I've heard countless ours of that same music). And I justh ave to mention this again. Its graphics blow your mind. Their so good...especially the battle graphics. A negative point it has tho, is there's not much PvP going on in that game. And at times it gets repetitive with monsterkilling but I can deal with that.

As for WoW, the graphics are awesome (in a different way) but if they were to be compared nowhere close to FFXI's. Also WoW doesnt have as many songs. Also there's no music playing when you wonder around walking. Yes occasionaly you'll hear Elwyn forrest song when your there but other then certain areas there is not music whatsoever other then the sound of my feet hiting the ground. *woosh* *woosh*. There's no in-battle music/special graphic effects. And so far I havnt seen weather effects to blow my mind. However WoW has something FFXI will never have. And that is an incredible history behinde it starting from the first MacOS game WC: Humans Vs. Orcs. its history is so well constructed and so well organized that it intrigues me and many many others as well Im sure. And if you have followed its series then you MUST have a favorite side or character and built emotions for it. And with that comes the great PvP. Because of that, WoW will have an incredible PvP side that will destroy any others' including L2's.

Edited, Wed Oct 6 16:24:21 2004 by SeifX

I never noticed anything special about FFXI's graphics. I always thought they were kind of... bland...

They weren't the worst I've seen, but they were no where near the best.

SeifX, you have the most masochistic veiw on videogames ive ever seen a person have. You must be insane.

Die now and make the world better, i like being able to be cool in a mmo without putting in years. IF i can ill try to do the hero class, which may be to hard for me.

F*** you.


edit: WoW wins

Edited, Wed Oct 6 21:39:34 2004 by Yolondo

Well said Ingole

Ive said this b4 in simpler terms

FFXI not fun
WoW fun

What Ingoe said ^^ hehe exac. how I feel.

I quote this from some people, " FFXI is so boring!! I played the WoW stress test for 2 hours, and it was fun!"

This is total ********** Ok..WoW might be fun in the beginning. But when you play more, and get more involve in the game, Im sure you will find out all the flaws about the game. Just like when you play FFXI, how the hell would you know you have to wait for a party for hours when you are at high levels? You have to actaully reach that stage to find that major flaw..SO this applies to WoW as well.. Im sure there will be many flaws when you all reach higher levels (Maybe the game getting boring etc..)
WoW will not be the perfect game, and no game ever will, as far as im concern, i still prefer FFXI to WoW..

Graphics in WoW is decent. But that only include the sceneries. the combat animation is EXTREMELY terrible. Magic looks so dull and CHEAP. (melee would obviously be worst)

"In FFXI, you fight crabs,bees, etc.. at lower levels and at higher levels..there are no new mobs" This is true, but also for WoW..In WoW you will fight the same range of mobs at lower and higher levels, EXCEPT maybe they have a different colour.. so lets see..will you play FFXI if i give you a red crab instead of a blue one?

Admit it..Leveling is really too fast in WoW..plus, how much end game content can they add?? People can finish the end game content very quickly as well..

Siefx, I AGREE with your ENTIRE post except for one thing, when you are short of gil, you still go into crafting?? have you any idea how much gil you need to invest in a craft??

Redmoonxl I'd just like to correct some incorrect information it seems you have.



Nintendo initially contracted with Sony to develop an addon CD-ROM drive to the SNES, but after Sony announced a standalone version of the drive, Nintendo terminated the contract and went with Philips.
Source:http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nintendo
Look at the early 1990's section.




It wasn't the fact that Nintendo took so long. It was the fact that they were once again producing a cartridge based console which some company's were tired of. Sega and Sony were both doing CD based consoles. CD's offered high storage, and cheaper production costs leading to higher profit. Yes the 64 produced some amazing graphics on select games, but it cost too much to do it.
source:http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nintendo_64




I'll give you that they got the Rumble idea from the 64, but thats where it stops. The first console to use a analog joystick was the Emerson Arcadia so if anyone was stolen from it was them. That and sony didn't steal the idea of having a console mascot since both sega and nintendo had one. Nor did Sony take the idea of online play from sega. It was a dream to bring online play to consoles for a long time, sega was just the first to "release" a console that had it. By the way the Eye Toy is NOT a rip off a man by the name of Dr Richard Marks had the idea, and brought it to Sony's London office.
Analog Stick:http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nintendo_64
Eye Toy:http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Eye_Toy


Last note... You can't compare the sales of a handheld to a console as many who buy handhelds don't buy consoles. That and Playstation has sold over 100 million units, which means Super Nintendo fails to meet that mark of best selling console.

Redmoonxl:

Im glad that you told me nicely instead of flaming and throwing in insults..

Ok..i guess you are a former FFXI fan..can you explain clearly what made you change your mind totally?

Everything that I stated in my first paragraph are reasons why I quitted FFXI. I just didn't want to make my paragraph longer then what it needs to be. FFXI is for the hardcore MMO player. If that's what you consider yourself, by all means enjoy. Personally I can't stand the game.

Just wanted to add that every please let this topic die. May is quite a bit of time ago, it's showing it's age...

Edited, Thu Oct 7 07:07:11 2004 by Redmoonxl

I'll try not to make this too long because I have ********* of hw to do and I dont want this taking my time. But...I will say some things that seemed more important then others in the posts after my own and those are as follows:

For the person who said/asked me to take the test. I've taken it before but I did it again just to get ur answers. And they all revolve around this range.
Your answers were split as follows:
Achiever 86%
Socializer 40%
Killer 40%
Explorer 33%
Apparently Im an achiever.

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To the guy who said "who made you the expert in MMO's" is ****** commond sense. Look at it from companies point of view. You make it harder to lvl, people woll want to reach cap lvl, they work harder and longer, pay more cash and the company wins. You make it easy, they'll reach cap, you'll have 60%+ of the people cap'd they'll do quests and finish them. There's only so much quests and things Blizz can do to prevent the hardcore players from getting bored which leader to less time and less money. Get that now?

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To the person whoch said only time he listened musc was when in towns or chocobo? Your kiddin right? Did you get deaf during all your battles? Are you hearing sounds when you play and fight monster on WoW cuz I sure as hell did not hear ANYTHING coming out of WoW in battle mode. As for its in-game graphics for WoW...they suck whether u think so or not. Thats a fact where most others are opinions. You may not like the fact but it remains there no matter what.

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As for the comment about doing crafting if ur short on cash, I agree man. Its hard and takes lots more money to get it to high lvl's, but it proves beneficial. Please take a lvl 75's word for it. In my LS, there's 4 players who are FILTHY rich because of it. And Im well on my way there. its what Im striving for rite now other then daily major quests with my static party. I enjoy it.

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Yes Im an achiever. I wanna work hard for sumthing so that later on I can show it off to players. Its one of the best things to be implemented in MMO's in my opinion. Yes you have a veriety of players who dont like that and want easy lvl'ing, but why should an MMO side with those players, but not us the achievers? Look the things is it just shouldnt be that easy. Maybe not as hard as in FFXI but definitely harder then it is now. Right now its simply a joke. Like I said, I saw a lvl 35 or 38 gnome walking around PK'in Horde within a weak. With that pace he's done with WoW (lvl-wise) within 1-2 months. Wtf is he gonna do if he's a true fan of WoW and MMO's. MMO's are made to last. To last for at least 2-3 years. And WoW wont last if its like this. Or at least it wont be as successful as it could've been.

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Also I want to make sumthing clear here. Im not siding with neither of the games as obviously Im in love with both. The reason why it might look like that to you guys is because I've played FFXI for MUCH longer then WoW and have much more to say about it then WoW. Right? And if read carefully on my last post, I clearly stated one of the most important things in WoW that other MMO's will never have. Even EQ wont have. And thats history behinde WoW. So that should tell you all that I AM a fan of WoW.

<---62drg/31war rank 8 on Sylph
2 sniper's, Valk mask, Pallas's bracelets, merman's gorget,....basically all the top-notch **** except scorpion's harness

Just wanted to get all that out the way to say that I do have a character above 37 and I totally agree Phantymwolf. I don't think there is anyone who can deny the lack of variety amongst mobs...hell they dont even try to atleast change the colors. Phantymwolf I hear ya about the crabs bro...55-60 crabs, crabs, crabs, crabs, pugil, rapter, crabs. I had hoped that CoP would bring some more variation...but low and behold there's those same mobs from other areas just with a different name. CoP was very dissapointing...new areas, same things to do in them.

And if any Drg other than Alvehyanna has received an invite has a drg/rdm drg/whm I would like to know lol cuz its hard enough getting an invite as drg/war. 80% of my parties since level 45 have been ones that I have created myself and I'm a great player..(if you dont believe me go to allakhazam/ffxi sylph forums under "people to whitelist"* see me mentioned more than a few times.. Hagakure :P)
so yeh class does make a difference
one thing i can agree with Alvehyanna about is that gear really doesnt matter...bad *** gear, great drg, and still dont get invites lol

Also red mages... I swear to god ffxi will eventually be a world of high level red mages
Quit nerfing the drgs and take care of red mages...last patch made it harder for us to super jump and let wyvern tank

But yeh I have 120 days under my belt so I feel qualified enough to support Phantymwolf's post


Edited, Thu Oct 7 22:53:47 2004 by MrHaga

I dare anyone to show me something in FFXI that you had to work hard to "achieve" that is cool.

In wow u can work moderatly hard to get to lvl 20 and TURN INTO A GHOST WOLF!!! or RAIN FIRE!!!! those things are cool, u can just imagine the lvl cap coolness

Exactly a console is a console no matter what, and a Gameboy is NOT a console. The Gameboy, Game Gear, and the newer ones out or coming out are all classified as Handhelds. You can't compare handhelds to consoles.

Also the key reason that Gameboy has such high sales is because of the competition. At first the competition was small to nothing, and after a while it was nothing. The only handheld you could get after a while was Gameboy because Sega eventually gave up because they had a hard time competeing.




Except that my information didn't come out of some old 1995 Gamepro.



As for the analog stick the point I was trying to make (but horribly failed when I typed it) is that you can't say without absolute certainty that they "stole" the idea. It was a logical upgrade to make for a controller.


Oh and the reason I brought up the whole CD vs Cartridge thing is because of something I don't think many people noticed. I always find it funny that Nintendo never made a console that used CD's. The closest thing is the Gamecube that uses Mini Disc's, and while yes they are of a CD design they are far from the kind that Sony uses. So in a stretch of imagination it kinda looks like a sore thorn in their side.





Plus I knew you'd be bothered I remember when you tried to have an honest discussion in the FFXI forums on the FFXI vs WoW comparisons and it turned into a flame war on Blizzard and never recovered. Needed a good spattle in the middle of this thread so I decided you were a good target. :p