Background: Mad Fisher is the Leve for bango zango. Item, Ash Fishing rod... Rank 10 Leve
I'm rank 11 Carpenter with as much gear as I can find that helps in control and craftsmanship. One would imagine I could handle this Leve with little trouble. I looked up the rank to make Ash fishing rods to be careful and found they are rank 13. So, I got some help from the carpenter guild, which again to do so cost me Anima to travel from city to city(which sucks bad). I got Superior access to just be sure. Result, 2 of 5 attempts failed. WTF! I don't get this crafting system. The oddest part about it, the 3 I successfully created went smooth and easy. The 2 that failed were damn near Epic fails. One was with only 45% progress and the other 34%. I wish I would have made some screen shots. I had 6 failed attempts in a row, and that was with Preserve kicking to keep the synth stable and fulfillment after that. Stuff like this is driving me bonkers. It's wasting my time, what little gil I have, and Anima to travel. The real arse kicker is, this is a rank 10 leve!! Should have be a piece of cake with everything I did to prepare for it.
The only time there should be this much of an issue synthing is when you are trying to make items well above your abilities(aka: 3 to 4 ranks higher than your current rank, and with no facility help). End of story. Items one or two ranks above you should be challenging, but with "SKILL", player skill and abilities used properly it should be very doable without errors. The randomness of synthing leaves us at the mercy of what ever the game throws at us, no matter what we seem to do in order to control the synthisis. Its so frustrating. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it got under my skin so bad this time that I had to post about it.
In the end, people who use no skills and don't even try to wear proper gear probably have as much success as I do. And that stings as well, but I have no proof of this. Just an assumption.
Anyway, I wanted to take some time to present this situation to the devs as well as other players who may be experiencing similar problems. I feel like I'm doing as much class research as I can using this forum to learn how to do it right, but it does not seem to be enough which leads me to believe the system is simply not built well at all. Hopefully we can see some tweeking to improve game play and experience in the next large update.
Thorvald of Besaid
Edited, Jan 22nd 2011 3:09pm by ThorvaldMarr
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Synthing System Broke?Follow
It isn't broken.
You need gears your level to maximize crafting attributes. Always always ALWAYS FOR THE LOVE OF SYNTH, AVOID CONTROL. Even HQ stuff I still avoid Control and stacking up both Craftsmanship or Mag. Craftsmanship as much as possible. Especially at low level the difference between r7 and r12 tool is HUEG. At higher level though, as you have too much attributes the additional 10 or so Craftsmanship won't make much difference anymore.
You can use crafting food to add a little extra, which at low level is a lot of extra (+5 Craftsmanship when you have a grand total of 20 is like 25%).
Training + Facility required, look at the Synth Confirmation, it will tell you outright.
Abilities. R10 Abilities are basic of basis, don't expect much from them. R30+ Abilities are where the game at, but don't worry you will eventually get there. Example of my dual wielding Assemble and Pride of Labour, I can pretty much squeeze 60% progress on ANY synth for 0-10 durability loss in the first two turns, then I pop Inspiration + Masterpiece and begin Bolding synths that are way over my levels. I've had no problem HQ Banneret Lance before I get to its Optimal Rank. Ever since I've got the both of them, my grinding on recipe 3-4 levels higher than me hasn't botched once over the course of a few hundred synths.
Some superstitious people will tell you about Moon phase, I've got no comments on this.
Synthesis is not broken, it's complex and deep.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2011 7:22pm by Khornette
You need gears your level to maximize crafting attributes. Always always ALWAYS FOR THE LOVE OF SYNTH, AVOID CONTROL. Even HQ stuff I still avoid Control and stacking up both Craftsmanship or Mag. Craftsmanship as much as possible. Especially at low level the difference between r7 and r12 tool is HUEG. At higher level though, as you have too much attributes the additional 10 or so Craftsmanship won't make much difference anymore.
You can use crafting food to add a little extra, which at low level is a lot of extra (+5 Craftsmanship when you have a grand total of 20 is like 25%).
Training + Facility required, look at the Synth Confirmation, it will tell you outright.
Abilities. R10 Abilities are basic of basis, don't expect much from them. R30+ Abilities are where the game at, but don't worry you will eventually get there. Example of my dual wielding Assemble and Pride of Labour, I can pretty much squeeze 60% progress on ANY synth for 0-10 durability loss in the first two turns, then I pop Inspiration + Masterpiece and begin Bolding synths that are way over my levels. I've had no problem HQ Banneret Lance before I get to its Optimal Rank. Ever since I've got the both of them, my grinding on recipe 3-4 levels higher than me hasn't botched once over the course of a few hundred synths.
Some superstitious people will tell you about Moon phase, I've got no comments on this.
Synthesis is not broken, it's complex and deep.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2011 7:22pm by Khornette
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Khornette wrote:
It isn't broken.
Yes it is.
Crafting is far to punitive as to the effect of RNG and the way difficulty increases with level. Pause and ask yourself whether you might be emotionally compromised on this issue due the dreadful amount of time you've spent leveling crafting classes.
KurisimasDay wrote:
Khornette wrote:
It isn't broken.
Yes it is.
Crafting is far to punitive as to the effect of RNG and the way difficulty increases with level. Pause and ask yourself whether you might be emotionally compromised on this issue due the dreadful amount of time you've spent leveling crafting classes.
Yea, because people who fail synth terribly because not doing it right are not emotionally compromised?
http://ffxiv.yg.com/recipe/ash-fishing-rod?id=150
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To OP, do you understand why are you failing now?
And it is not r13, a lot of people don't know how to calculate the synthesis rank but just slap whatever they want into the database. The basis formula for getting the rank of an item is to look at Physical Experience you get from the synth. For non-leve 1,000 EXP shall be the base, with every extra rank equal to 50 more or less experience. Leve has 1.5 times bonus, so 1,500 EXP will be optimal rank, 1,575 will be 1 rank higher etc.
Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 12:26am by Khornette
Edited, Jan 23rd 2011 12:29am by Khornette
Craftmanship > Control. Swap control gear for Craft.
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Khornette wrote:
It isn't broken.
You need gears your level to maximize crafting attributes. Always always ALWAYS FOR THE LOVE OF SYNTH, AVOID CONTROL. Even HQ stuff I still avoid Control and stacking up both Craftsmanship or Mag. Craftsmanship as much as possible. Especially at low level the difference between r7 and r12 tool is HUEG. At higher level though, as you have too much attributes the additional 10 or so Craftsmanship won't make much difference anymore.
You can use crafting food to add a little extra, which at low level is a lot of extra (+5 Craftsmanship when you have a grand total of 20 is like 25%).
Training + Facility required, look at the Synth Confirmation, it will tell you outright.
Abilities. R10 Abilities are basic of basis, don't expect much from them. R30+ Abilities are where the game at, but don't worry you will eventually get there. Example of my dual wielding Assemble and Pride of Labour, I can pretty much squeeze 60% progress on ANY synth for 0-10 durability loss in the first two turns, then I pop Inspiration + Masterpiece and begin Bolding synths that are way over my levels. I've had no problem HQ Banneret Lance before I get to its Optimal Rank. Ever since I've got the both of them, my grinding on recipe 3-4 levels higher than me hasn't botched once over the course of a few hundred synths.
Some superstitious people will tell you about Moon phase, I've got no comments on this.
Synthesis is not broken, it's complex and deep.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2011 7:22pm by Khornette
You need gears your level to maximize crafting attributes. Always always ALWAYS FOR THE LOVE OF SYNTH, AVOID CONTROL. Even HQ stuff I still avoid Control and stacking up both Craftsmanship or Mag. Craftsmanship as much as possible. Especially at low level the difference between r7 and r12 tool is HUEG. At higher level though, as you have too much attributes the additional 10 or so Craftsmanship won't make much difference anymore.
You can use crafting food to add a little extra, which at low level is a lot of extra (+5 Craftsmanship when you have a grand total of 20 is like 25%).
Training + Facility required, look at the Synth Confirmation, it will tell you outright.
Abilities. R10 Abilities are basic of basis, don't expect much from them. R30+ Abilities are where the game at, but don't worry you will eventually get there. Example of my dual wielding Assemble and Pride of Labour, I can pretty much squeeze 60% progress on ANY synth for 0-10 durability loss in the first two turns, then I pop Inspiration + Masterpiece and begin Bolding synths that are way over my levels. I've had no problem HQ Banneret Lance before I get to its Optimal Rank. Ever since I've got the both of them, my grinding on recipe 3-4 levels higher than me hasn't botched once over the course of a few hundred synths.
Some superstitious people will tell you about Moon phase, I've got no comments on this.
Synthesis is not broken, it's complex and deep.
Edited, Jan 22nd 2011 7:22pm by Khornette
Okay, lets see here. Typically, my craftsmanship is 24/23 depending on which class I am. Control is about the same. I'll see about gear changes, or maybe a link to gear suggestions somewhere?
Training? As I understand it, I have no way in hell to even get them until I can do R20 leve's anyway and then the needed time to do the leve's every 36 hours to get the right number of tokens to buy them? right? so those are pointless to me now, and without an in game tutorial, I only learned all this the hard way. I did know about the window that suggests the training needed that pops up before doing the synth, but a lot of good it does me when I cant even get guild tokens until R20. I can look at it and say, damn, that'll be nice to get some day.
As for the higher rank skills. Well, thats cool to know, but for now doesn't do me much good while I'm still a noob as far as rank goes. I'm trying to understand why I can so easily do a synth, and then have an epic fail the very next time around.
All in all, I'm reading, this..... Synthing is going to suck until I'm rank 30. There are somethings such as food and proper gear that I can do in order to help it out, but until I get proper training and the better skills that are associated with R30, I'm going to experience random occurrences of suck which will make me want to punch my computer screen.
As a casual player, who's in the military, I can only imagine this is going to be a slow game for me if I stick with it. Which might be a good thing because the game seems to have so little to offer and is going to need crap tons of time to get its act in gear and get to be as awesome as it should have been a launch. It has some good points and a lot of bad points. I recall hearing so much about how it was going to be somewhat set up for the casual player, but everything is hours of grinding, and that means lots of time which I don't have much of. I deploy in May. Maybe when I get back around June next year, the game will be much much better by then.
Thanks for the post though Khornette. I will take your advice on the subject of more Craftsmanship and less Control however and see how that helps me out.
Thorvald of Besaid
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And thanks for the info on gauging the rank of a snyth. I'll really put that to good use to make sure I'm not doing anything way harder than what I should be doing.
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A reminder on local leve, for safety reason just add 4 to the rank of the leve. Recipes available almost at every rank, so a local leve saying rank 10 can means somewhere from 10 to 14, a leve saying r20 likewise would be somewhere from 20 to 24. Unless you do know the real level of the recipe, just presume that it is the highest possible level of the leve. Better be safe than be sorry.
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Ok. So I upped my craftsmanship to the high 30's to low 40's depending on which class I am with gear thats above me but it works for now. I've seen a decent increase in successes vs fails, but one thing is for sure. Items that want "Recommended" facilities and training both require one or the other for sure to really increase success.
Once I return from the field in 10 days, I'm going to do my best to try that Leve for the Ash rods again with the new found gear to really test it. Granted, I had the best access I could get to guild facilities for carpentry when I was trying last time, but now we'll see if the gear makes it 5 of 5 for success vs my old 3 of 5.
Oh well, here's to messing around with it in 10 days!
Thorvald of Besaid
Once I return from the field in 10 days, I'm going to do my best to try that Leve for the Ash rods again with the new found gear to really test it. Granted, I had the best access I could get to guild facilities for carpentry when I was trying last time, but now we'll see if the gear makes it 5 of 5 for success vs my old 3 of 5.
Oh well, here's to messing around with it in 10 days!
Thorvald of Besaid
By the way, you can get marks from as low as r10 Local leve, and city that has a Guild to the craft will also give out more Local leves for that craft than other city.
Khornette wrote:
By the way, you can get marks from as low as r10 Local leve, and city that has a Guild to the craft will also give out more Local leves for that craft than other city.
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Khornette wrote:
By the way, you can get marks from as low as r10 Local leve, and city that has a Guild to the craft will also give out more Local leves for that craft than other city.
No, the Nov/Dec patch made it possible for r10 to give marks. R15 has been giving marks long before the patch.
I am about 90% certain the November patch lowered it from R20 to R15 local leves that can reward marks, if any has screen shots of a R10 getting marks, it's easy enough to prove me wrong but up till now you are the only person I have seen say R10. You can however start to take R15 leves at rank 10 which may be what is causing the confusion.
Edited, Jan 24th 2011 4:38am by Manosuke
Edited, Jan 24th 2011 4:38am by Manosuke
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
I am about 90% certain the November patch lowered it from R20 to R15 local leves that can reward marks, if any has screen shots of a R10 getting marks, it's easy enough to prove me wrong but up till now you are the only person I have seen say R10. You can however start to take R15 leves at rank 10 which may be what is causing the confusion.
Edited, Jan 24th 2011 4:38am by Manosuke
Edited, Jan 24th 2011 4:38am by Manosuke
If you dig around there's a thread with that info right after the patch, I think started by one of the mod as well. And for R15 Leve, my buddy got one like 3 months ago during October. That's long before the patch and he quit long before Nov patch.
And why the heck am I rated down for that piece of info? Seriously...
Edited, Jan 24th 2011 7:49am by Khornette
Regardless of good intentions, false information should be portrayed as such. On YG, BG, FFXIVPro, and Zam, as well as in game I can find a total of one other person claiming to get marks at R10 they also acquiesced that they were doing a R15 leve at rank ten when I asked specifically what rank the leve was. I also just turned in a total of 16 R10 local leves from last reset and this one, not a single one which gave marks, hardly conclusive but it does lend itself to the communities generally accepted postion of no leve lower than R15 giving Guild Mark rewards. As you are claiming something that is outside the bounds of what is generally accepted, you do have the burden of proof. I did try to find evidence to condtradict my point, even hear say evidence other than yours and couldn't find any. I am not trying to be rude or argumentative, I really would like to clarify this issue but it does seem to favour my position.
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Fine by me, I'm not going to waste time to do r10 leves again and again to prove something like this for a minor rate up or down. You can try to check pre-Nov patch about r15 leves give marks, but whatever. And while we're at it, I'm pretty sure you won't find any evidence that r45 leve give marks, on any site :P because the leves themselves are super rare to get. Will you rate down anyone claiming otherwise?
Khornette wrote:
Fine by me, I'm not going to waste time to do r10 leves again and again to prove something like this for a minor rate up or down. You can try to check pre-Nov patch about r15 leves give marks, but whatever. And while we're at it, I'm pretty sure you won't find any evidence that r45 leve give marks, on any site :P because the leves themselves are super rare to get. Will you rate down anyone claiming otherwise?
Why would I need evidence to back up the fact that 45 leves can reward marks when the community has already accepted that as a rule any leve R15 or greater has a chance to reward marks, by those general rules that is entirely plausible. The fact of the matter is that unless there is evidence to the contrary your claim that R10 leves can reward marks is going to be seen as untrue, posting it as fact with no evidence misleads new players who may be looking for information and feed back on how/when they can get guild marks, which is the reason you got a rate down, because your posting what is generally accepted to be false information with no evidence to prove yourself to be correct. It is the same as if I were to claim the sky was blue, no one would ask for evidence because it is accepted to be fact, you however are claiming that the sky is actually green and failing to provide any evidence to back it up in the slightest, hypothetically.
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Khornette wrote:
Fine by me, I'm not going to waste time to do r10 leves again and again to prove something like this for a minor rate up or down. You can try to check pre-Nov patch about r15 leves give marks, but whatever. And while we're at it, I'm pretty sure you won't find any evidence that r45 leve give marks, on any site :P because the leves themselves are super rare to get. Will you rate down anyone claiming otherwise?
Why would I need evidence to back up the fact that 45 leves can reward marks when the community has already accepted that as a rule any leve R15 or greater has a chance to reward marks, by those general rules that is entirely plausible. The fact of the matter is that unless there is evidence to the contrary your claim that R10 leves can reward marks is going to be seen as untrue, posting it as fact with no evidence misleads new players who may be looking for information and feed back on how/when they can get guild marks, which is the reason you got a rate down, because your posting what is generally accepted to be false information with no evidence to prove yourself to be correct. It is the same as if I were to claim the sky was blue, no one would ask for evidence because it is accepted to be fact, you however are claiming that the sky is actually green and failing to provide any evidence to back it up in the slightest, hypothetically.
Yes, people also claimed the Sun rotates around the Earth without any evidence, and it was considered fact for a long long time. Evidence goes both way, unless you have evidence to prove your point, you can't just use the "community rule" as your defense. So unless you can prove that my point is false, it is not misleading in the slightest. Go ahead, present the evidence that r10 local can not give marks.
And your example doesn't match the situation. A more reasonable example would be people consider the sky is blue and I'm saying the star is also blue. I don't see why R10 giving marks is the exact opposite of R15+ can give marks.
Edited, Jan 24th 2011 10:26pm by Khornette
First off there is plenty of evidence of R15 leves giving marks, that point is not up for contention, I hope we can agree. I did try to see if anyone anywhere other than you, thinks, has seen or even knows someone that has gotten marks off a R10 leve. I cannot find any such evidence apart from your claims, as I had mentioned earlier, I did try to disprove my self in saying that R10 leves will not give marks, and I failed I then offered you the chance to do the same and you flat out refused and or mocked me for it. The fact of the matter is R10 leves don't give marks there is no evidence to suggest the do or ever did, every pre/post patch discussion on every forum, everyone I asked in game, and everyone I talked to IRL all note the same two level ranges being the start of mark distribution: 20 pre-november patch and 15 post-november patch. Everyone except you that is. Basically I am saying that you are wrong while leaving room for you to potentially provide evidence to the contrary.
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
First off there is plenty of evidence of R15 leves giving marks, that point is not up for contention, I hope we can agree. I did try to see if anyone anywhere other than you, thinks, has seen or even knows someone that has gotten marks off a R10 leve. I cannot find any such evidence apart from your claims, as I had mentioned earlier, I did try to disprove my self in saying that R10 leves will not give marks, and I failed I then offered you the chance to do the same and you flat out refused and or mocked me for it. The fact of the matter is R10 leves don't give marks there is no evidence to suggest the do or ever did, every pre/post patch discussion on every forum, everyone I asked in game, and everyone I talked to IRL all note the same two level ranges being the start of mark distribution: 20 pre-november patch and 15 post-november patch. Everyone except you that is. Basically I am saying that you are wrong while leaving room for you to potentially provide evidence to the contrary.
I ask for evidence, you didn't present any evidence. Are you saying that your word is the evidence, or the people you supposedly talk to know everything about the game inside out and it is evidence? And my word is not? See here, everything was alright until you act as if evidence is not needed to prove your points. You ask for evidence to back up my point, so I have the right to ask for evidence backing up your points as well. R10 giving marks and R15+ giving marks are not mutually exclusive mind you, and so far there is no evidence that R10 doesn't give mark. Again I will speak about the example that R45 local won't give marks. Please provide any evidence that they do, talk to your IRL friend, see if they have gotten any from it? How do you prove that it does in fact give marks? You can't! Everybody are just assuming that since R15, R20, R30 etc. are giving marks, R45 can give as well. You say something as fact, but as far as you're talking, you are just assuming.
And just for fun
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=180&mid=128946375710911469#msg128967683019961484
Vedis wrote:
Just something to point out
you do not need to do the level 20 quest for your craft in order to "start" getting marks(oroku saki on beseid was earning alchemy marks before he did his quest)
however, i have noticed that only people who have done it are getting marks supposedely on leves less then level 20(and i havent seen this myself only heard about it)
you do not need to do the level 20 quest for your craft in order to "start" getting marks(oroku saki on beseid was earning alchemy marks before he did his quest)
however, i have noticed that only people who have done it are getting marks supposedely on leves less then level 20(and i havent seen this myself only heard about it)
Dated 14/11/2010
And for your interest, before this discussion people hold the argument that you are required to do R20 quest before getting marks from leve as factc.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:33am by Khornette
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:33am by Khornette
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:34am by Khornette
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:35am by Khornette
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I ask for evidence, you didn't present any evidence.
I in fact did state that I surveyed people in game as to the lowest rank they had recieved marks from and the rank they thought you could start getting marks and ranks they had received marks for, if you expect numbers here goes:
Lowest Rank Leve with Mark Rewards Seen:
R1:0
R5:0
R10:0
R15:56
R20:18
R25:4
R30:1 (I actually feel bad for this particular person he crafts far more than a lot of people I know and still doesn't have their first book)
R35:0
R40-45:0
Lowest level you think you are able to get marks at:
R10:1 (for posterities sake I will include you)
R15:73
R20:2
Unsure:4
Levels confirmed to give Marks as rewards (if one person mentioned receiving rewards for a tier of Local Leve the category is considered able to award marks as such I am only providing the name of one leve per tier that was confirmed to give marks)
R1:No
R5:No
R10:No
R15:Yes (Planks Aplenty: Ash Planks)
R20:Yes (To Dig a Dry Moat: Iron Pickaxes)
R25:Yes (Fire and Hide: Buffalo Leather)
R30:Yes (High Tension: Ash Longbows)
R35:Yes (Canes for the Citizens: Oak Canes)
R40:No*
R45:Yes (Canes for the Citizens: Pastoral Elm Canes)
*Assuming that SE follows any logical pattern one can safely assume this leve tier will be able to rewards marks despite no one polled being able to provide a specific leve that was able to.
In Addition to that I also tried 16 R10 leves in the last two resets none of which rewarded marks, while not conclusive in and of it's self it is a safe conclusion when paired with the survey that R10s are in fact not capable of awarding Marks as rewards. I acknowledge that even one confirmed case of a R10 leve giving marks makes this point moot, and would mean they are able to have mark rewards. However as no such case appears to exist, it is the correct assumption.
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You ask for evidence to back up my point, so I have the right to ask for evidence backing up your points as well. R10 giving marks and R15+ giving marks are not mutually exclusive mind you, and so far there is no evidence that R10 doesn't give mark.
The point is that I acknowledge that if even on case of a R10 leve awarding marks exists then it is in theory possible that all of them may. However the data and evidence that I eluded to in a previous post and now posted in full because of hurr durr number syndrome, all points towards you being wrong about R10 leves awarding marks.
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And just for fun...
There if it makes you feel better I rated down the other person stating "facts" that are incorrect. I would also like to point out that you as well as several others corrected him, as I had corrected you. He just had the good graces not to start a 10 post argument when he was wrong.
Edit: Also when editing multiple times try to erase the old edit listings it makes your post look neater and more legible.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 12:51am by Manosuke
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Two different people in my LS have gotten marks from an r10 leve, myself included. No, I don't have any pics to prove it, but I can tell you that I have marks on my r10 alchemist, and I know it was an r10 leve because I've never done an r15 ON my alchemist. So yeah, you are wrong Manosuke, unless somehow they patched marks OUT of the r10 synths (as I believe I got them quite a while ago, haven't touched alch after 10, just wanted preserve). Kinda sucky to be rating someone down this whole time based on something you were just making an assumption about. =/
Oh, fyi, the marks from an r10 leve are VERY rare. I've gotten 1 in about 50 or more, which is probably why you didn't see them when you did 16.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 8:02am by BartelX
Oh, fyi, the marks from an r10 leve are VERY rare. I've gotten 1 in about 50 or more, which is probably why you didn't see them when you did 16.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 8:02am by BartelX
BartelX wrote:
Two different people in my LS have gotten marks from an r10 leve, myself included. No, I don't have any pics to prove it, but I can tell you that I have marks on my r10 alchemist, and I know it was an r10 leve because I've never done an r15 ON my alchemist. So yeah, you are wrong Manosuke, unless somehow they patched marks OUT of the r10 synths (as I believe I got them quite a while ago, haven't touched alch after 10, just wanted preserve). Kinda sucky to be rating someone down this whole time based on something you were just making an assumption about. =/
Oh, fyi, the marks from an r10 leve are VERY rare. I've gotten 1 in about 50 or more, which is probably why you didn't see them when you did 16.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 8:02am by BartelX
Oh, fyi, the marks from an r10 leve are VERY rare. I've gotten 1 in about 50 or more, which is probably why you didn't see them when you did 16.
Edited, Jan 25th 2011 8:02am by BartelX
Cool if you want to supply the name, Item made and aproximate marks earned I can include it in the poll as confirmed for rank 10 until then I can still only consider it hearsay as with R40s.
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So can we maybe agree that while certain R10 locals may give GMs, it's safer to focus your efforts on R15 or higher ones and save the R10s for last resorts?
As to the crafting system... the correct food is your friend. Look up the threads... it's about what stats you have already. I've found the correct food greatly increases my results, much better than general support (though it's been argued/proven that synth support is more or less worthless on synths that don't require it... I dunno about that, I get NPC repair support at the very least on all my leves that might net GMs)
As to the crafting system... the correct food is your friend. Look up the threads... it's about what stats you have already. I've found the correct food greatly increases my results, much better than general support (though it's been argued/proven that synth support is more or less worthless on synths that don't require it... I dunno about that, I get NPC repair support at the very least on all my leves that might net GMs)
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All synths have a degree of difficulty, information we are deprived of, currently. For all we know that synth may be an IT r13 synth. Without cons we are synthing in the dark. Also weather will influence success rate on synths as well.
Control, Craft., and Mag. Craft are missing concise information as well as stats and elements, saying any of those attributes should be shyed away from is speculation as well. Keep your stats balanced, until we have more info from the devs. Lack of concise information is to blame for most of the randomness experinced by crafters.
Control, Craft., and Mag. Craft are missing concise information as well as stats and elements, saying any of those attributes should be shyed away from is speculation as well. Keep your stats balanced, until we have more info from the devs. Lack of concise information is to blame for most of the randomness experinced by crafters.
PerrinofSylph, S.O.B. Superhero wrote:
So can we maybe agree that while certain R10 locals may give GMs, it's safer to focus your efforts on R15 or higher ones and save the R10s for last resorts?
Most assuredly, it is absolutely not worth it to try for marks from r10 leves. My LS is a pretty heavy crafting LS, so if there's only been 2 of us seeing an r10 w/ marks, it's definitely very rare.
Manosuke wrote:
Cool if you want to supply the name, Item made and aproximate marks earned I can include it in the poll as confirmed for rank 10 until then I can still only consider it hearsay as with R40s.
Like I said, it was quite a while ago so I don't remember the name, but I know it was an r10 leve in Uldah. It was exactly 580 marks, just looked in my inventory.
EDIT: Just realized, I CAN prove it was an r10 leve that gave me marks. Here is a screen showing my marks, and after is a screen showing my alchemist. If you'll notice, I'm only 95 sp into r10, meaning that I completed the leve BEFORE rank 10, meaning that it had to be an r10, as r15 leves don't appear until at least rank 10. I'm like a detective or some sh*t... =P
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/5836/r10guildmarks.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2435/r10guildmarks2.jpg
Edited, Jan 28th 2011 2:43am by BartelX
SE's Lodestone post today revealed this:
Q. How do I get Guild Marks?
Local Levequests
Can sometimes be selected (randomly by server) in place of gil as a reward from clients after completion of levequests Rank 15 and above.
What's odd is that if R10s still give marks now, then they might have had a minor oversight with stealth patching...
Quote:
Q. How do I get Guild Marks?
Local Levequests
Can sometimes be selected (randomly by server) in place of gil as a reward from clients after completion of levequests Rank 15 and above.
What's odd is that if R10s still give marks now, then they might have had a minor oversight with stealth patching...
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They also told us Smelting Training is required to make Nails and Rivets in that post. Awesome.
BartelX wrote:
EDIT: Just realized, I CAN prove it was an r10 leve that gave me marks. Here is a screen showing my marks, and after is a screen showing my alchemist. If you'll notice, I'm only 95 sp into r10, meaning that I completed the leve BEFORE rank 10, meaning that it had to be an r10, as r15 leves don't appear until at least rank 10. I'm like a detective or some sh*t... =P
2 things
1. In the Ask the Devs thread I'm not accusing you of rating down the R15+ folks in this thread, just so you know
2. I have proof that your proof is invalid or at least questionable. On my Weaver at R9 (possibly R8 but I'm pretty sure it was 9) I was getting R15 leves having said that, my R10 Culinarian hasn't been offered anything other than R1 leves, ever in all 3 cities the last 3 resets.
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PerrinofSylph, S.O.B. Superhero wrote:
BartelX wrote:
EDIT: Just realized, I CAN prove it was an r10 leve that gave me marks. Here is a screen showing my marks, and after is a screen showing my alchemist. If you'll notice, I'm only 95 sp into r10, meaning that I completed the leve BEFORE rank 10, meaning that it had to be an r10, as r15 leves don't appear until at least rank 10. I'm like a detective or some sh*t... =P
2 things
1. In the Ask the Devs thread I'm not accusing you of rating down the R15+ folks in this thread, just so you know
2. I have proof that your proof is invalid or at least questionable. On my Weaver at R9 (possibly R8 but I'm pretty sure it was 9) I was getting R15 leves having said that, my R10 Culinarian hasn't been offered anything other than R1 leves, ever in all 3 cities the last 3 resets.
I don't think so, you can not get r15 leve without being r10.
Here at the bottom
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=1e61594542692375bcf4e3f19739271b62246c3b
New leves opened at r5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45. I'm at r46, unless you're telling me I can get r55 local (which doesn't exist), your point is invalid or at least questionable.
Edited, Feb 10th 2011 6:35pm by Khornette
Khornette wrote:
New leves opened at r5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45. I'm at r46, unless you're telling me I can get r55 local (which doesn't exist), your point is invalid or at least questionable.
Which was my point. I didn't mean to point the finger specifically at Bartel, as he's the only one who TRIED to prove it was possible. However there was some obvious trolling in this thread with rate downs (on both sides, but I have a feeling the rters down didn't post as per usual).
Any way I don't have physical evidence but I could easily fake some. I also haven't recived innapropriate ranks since after the patch that fixed the leve upgrade/downgrade issue when you had to pick up mats. Pretty sure both times I can recall getting WVR 15 leves was post reset and I'd missed pickups.
You might not believe me, I'm not sure I believe myself. However you would have to admit (as your proof against me is the Lodestone) that if Bartel and others are correct about GPs @10 then I could also be right (as my proof against them is the Lodestone).
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Yeah its broke. There is no other explanation for me completing 2 R15 leves as a R10 then immediately after fail a R10 leve as a R11. As an added argument, how is it that I complete 3/5 Recipes with no problems then completely botch the last 2, one of which I had not one single successful try during the synthesis. If you are saying its not broken... well, lol. All of my gear is at optimal level w/ master synthesis support. There is ENTIRELY too much fluctuation in completeing and failing a synth. You dont successfully complete 3 in a row with absolutely no problems the bomb out the last 2. And, you dont breeze through 2 consecutive leves 5 levels above you then fail and entire levequest thats a level below you. That makes absolutely "0" sense.
Certainly anything is possible, but I can say firsthand that I have never had access to an r15 leve before r10. I might not always pay attention 100% to what I'm picking, but I DO pay full attention to the rank of the leve. Especially since, at r9, there is almost ZERO chance that I would be successfully completing an r15 leve (which is at LEAST a rank 15 synth, upwards to r19).
As for the ratedowns, it's just very unfortunate that people feel the need to hide behind the red arrows. I can honestly say I have not rated down a single person in this thread, and have only rated UP Khornette to try and make up for the people rate-bombing for absolutely no reason.
As for the ratedowns, it's just very unfortunate that people feel the need to hide behind the red arrows. I can honestly say I have not rated down a single person in this thread, and have only rated UP Khornette to try and make up for the people rate-bombing for absolutely no reason.
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I m not on anybody side. but only curious about how those 2 pictures of R10 alchemist mark can prove anything. The picture isn't connect together, as they can be posted in different time.
The Alchemist R10 and 95 SP can be screen shot first, then he can screen shot another 580 alchemist mark one later after he did R15 local.
I m not saying that he fake it, but I just see the class behind that 580 alchemist guild mark one is not rank 10 alchemist but it show R41 Gladiator instead, so I just wonder.
it would be solid if the same picture show R10 alchemist rank with 95 SP and alchemist mark at the same time.
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:21am by Starkaiser
The Alchemist R10 and 95 SP can be screen shot first, then he can screen shot another 580 alchemist mark one later after he did R15 local.
I m not saying that he fake it, but I just see the class behind that 580 alchemist guild mark one is not rank 10 alchemist but it show R41 Gladiator instead, so I just wonder.
it would be solid if the same picture show R10 alchemist rank with 95 SP and alchemist mark at the same time.
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:21am by Starkaiser
Starkaiser wrote:
I m not on anybody side. but only curious about how those 2 pictures of R10 alchemist mark can prove anything. The picture isn't connect together, as they can be posted in different time.
The Alchemist R10 and 95 SP can be screen shot first, then he can screen shot another 580 alchemist mark one later after he did R15 local.
I m not saying that he fake it, but I just see the class behind that 580 alchemist guild mark one is not rank 10 alchemist but it show R41 Gladiator instead, so I just wonder.
it would be solid if the same picture show R10 alchemist rank with 95 SP and alchemist mark at the same time.
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:21am by Starkaiser
The Alchemist R10 and 95 SP can be screen shot first, then he can screen shot another 580 alchemist mark one later after he did R15 local.
I m not saying that he fake it, but I just see the class behind that 580 alchemist guild mark one is not rank 10 alchemist but it show R41 Gladiator instead, so I just wonder.
it would be solid if the same picture show R10 alchemist rank with 95 SP and alchemist mark at the same time.
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 12:21am by Starkaiser
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/rc/personal/character
Wow, you people will do anything to deny the truth. Thanks for the rate-downs.
Edited, Feb 14th 2011 4:30pm by BartelX
Go ahead troll, keep ratin down posts. I have no problem reporting you to the admins.
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