FIX. THE. SP. (rank 30+)Follow

This actually starts around level 22ish sp just takes a nose dive. Worst part is it doesnt matter party solo or w/e it stays abysmal I am only 29 glad so I havent even hit the 30 hump which I hear is even worse. Was hoping for it to be fixed in this update but not even an honorable mention. SE this is extremely important to many people please adress this as as possible.
Thank you for your time,
Big Jer
IF the sp system bothers you please reply here lets show se how serious this is.

Edited, Dec 15th 2010 8:29pm by unclejer

***SE you have just lost yet more players - when will you listen to this!!!***

Well as yet more LS and in game friends quit as they cannot face the tedium that is levelling post 35, I have decided to join them

Since SP gain was changed from random to static, and we became rewarded for annihilating really weak irrelevant mobs, I have done nothing but craft and level alt jobs that I have no interest in.

I now cannot face logging in at all. All my alts are in The Mun Tuy Cellars fighting the same mobs, I cannot level Lancer effectively, and I cannot party grind to escape the tedium of soloing.

I hate grinding coblyn and doblyn and find a system thats rewards people for fighting unchallanging mobs pathetic.

We have given them the benefit of the doubt for several months now, when in reality all we have done is waste yet more time.

Peace out peeps, I really hope this game does become good.

Personally, I am tired of waiting. Sure we have NMs now, but if you cant level to get to them then WTF is the point

Unless u want FF XIV to continue being a crafting/gathering MMO... Please do something. Almost all of my in-game mates are doing exactly the same thing I'm doing: they REFUSE to level DOW/DOM until not only the sp but also the combat system has been completely re-designed. To hell with battle regimen, give me SCs back already, and chains, and MBs. Change the names, change the animation, change the freaking timing; I don't care, just put the current system where it belongs: the trash bin. The clock is ticking...

I would say fix the SP system in general,why do we get less and less SP when ranking up and at the same time it requires more and more SP to rank up. It makes no sense at all and even soloing becomes problematic. Forcing us to do behest/leves is not good as it gets boring very fast to redo the same thing over and over.
At least party grind is different because you get to meet other people so it doesn't seem to be he same over and over. So far, it seems that this game is only about crafters and make them the most important thing in the game (SP and EXP gained have been very good since release).

yes (specially that it is the only thing viable for reasonnable SP gain, not even good SP gain post 30) if you want to define 'this' by an argument

and... yes

Note: I shouldn't even have replied to your 'reply' but I'm bored at work at the moment from doing the same thing over and over again.

I don't see how giving the choice to people to choose between different ways of gaining exp would suck, it's call giving the choice depending on your affinity/time. I am not arguing something (and did not give arguments but my feelings and opinion).
I am not talking about excitment (nothing is really exciting at the moment in the game compared to all the different good emotions FFXI triggered me at EU launch) but boredomeness and TO ME, it is less boring to party grind than to do leves that end up being done with the same guildies or solo whereas party grind is most of the time with different players (if not static exp party). Wether you feel or not what I feel does not matter, what matter is for people to have the choice.
Again, it's a matter of opinion so I am not even trying to convince you of anything, just defending my opinion with respect to you starting to argue with me about something that is not arguable.

Well, the two systems don't have to be equal. They have to be equilibrated: Leves gring for gils/gears and party grind for SP/EXP (for a quick, not deeply thought example).

I will not even discuss the dividing into two camp thing because it's a very restricted way of seeing how the two systems would work.

People should have the choice to solo/party leves and/or solo/party grind mobs without being uberly affected by what you said that people are going to go for the best way. Simply: I need money? Going to do leves (party leve sharing/linking or solo depending on my available time/people/guildies). I need mats? Going to farm low lvl mobs for optimizing the drop rate. I need to rank up? Going to grind mobs with a SP reward significantly increasing as the difficulty of the mob increases and party being more rewarding as the mob couldn't be soloable otherwise.
If I feel like doing something else than that, there should be sidequests (but that's another matter).

Anyways, to come back to the thread, the SP (amount gain equilibrium) system as it is now is bothering me and I want it to change!

Hynamen your argument falls far short of relity on many aspects. 1) I have never played a game that did not have more than 1 way to exp / sp or at least offer you other contenet to take your mind off the grind.(think reputation factions) 2. you get 8 leeves every 36 hours this is supposed to be the way I can level? REALLY? Come on a behest every hour and say for arguments sake 2 leeves between I have just used 4 hours and im done lol. O wait i can stand in camp (insert name here) and hope that someone invites me for thier leeves. This is the big improvemnet over xi now we wait in camps instead of cities? GTFO if you like the leeve / behest system good on ya. but dont come on to a thread and attack those that don't agree with your process.
thats borderline trolling.
thanks,
Big Jer

OP,

I wish you would have laid out your post a little better, but I completely agree.

Party SP must be broke, it clearly drops off after 20, and there is absolutely NO incentive to party. I refuse to solo/duo my way to 50.

My ls which at one point was capped at ~130 people, only has on average 7-10 people online now. That is how many have quit, and the SP system has a huge hand in that.

I get 70-100 for blue-yellow mobs. Maybe 100-115 for a yellow-red. See my ranks in sig. Sp gain blows all around.

One place I can kill Coblyns (low hps) and maybe kill 5-6 a minute with a nuking setup. That is THE only place I will ever grind SP .... sad really. Purely because I can limit my "downtime" there ... but i do still hit the "stamina wall" where I can't maintain the pace of my casting.

kinda silly that DoM are limited by both mana, cast times and stamina. BTW, is there a way to increase max stamina or the recovery rate? Do shields impact stamina when not "actively" used?

leves pretty much suck for SP gains too. Too much downtime / not enough mobs. Even with the SP buff, i get like 110 per .. increase the difficulty and I get a hair more. Difficulty (and party size) should increase the amount of leve mobs ...

Edited, Dec 16th 2010 1:02pm by SpelunkerOne

Edited, Dec 16th 2010 1:28pm by SpelunkerOne

just bumping this, maybe SE doesn't read too far down the list of threads?

Well, its provided

1) You find 3 ppl around your same rank

2) You have enough play time in your hands, so you get satisfactory SP out of the run

3) Ppl are willing to accommodate with your erratic playtime to form a set PT.

Probably going to get the "You too lazy to get a party, etc" standard copy and paste answer <-- from ppl reading the above, BUT, I tried.

Not much of a choice since ranking up my ONLY pass rank 21 DoW, right now is kinda a waste of time, unless they fix the mob rank vs class rank EXP gains for me.

I'll stick to mining and chopping trees, since been a DoL, kinda makes my playtime worth it right now in time.


Edited, Dec 19th 2010 11:56pm by Humster

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 12:11am by Humster

30+ you can solo in copperbell mines on doblyns and get 15k an hour.

In a group your lucky to get 10k an hour. Just go around and find the best R40 dungeon to solo in and your good to go.