Nerf AoE CuresFollow

I vote no nerf , in fact i support increasing the range of cures again.

yeah before u go nerfing cures. Lets see wat NM bosses bring. Also poeple still die tons without them. sure if u want to kill a class go ahead and nerf em.

I agree that cures are a little too strong in this game. It always struck me as odd that a single target cure would neither heal more nor cost less mp than an aoe cure. If single target cures healed more than aoe cures, there would be more strategy involved in prioritizing who gets the cures first, avoiding aoes, and keeping the damage taken centralized on a tank.

However, the targeting system is crap right now (no <stpc>, <bt>, /assist) and cures aren't nearly as responsive as in ffxi. If they nerfed cures now, I would not trust a mage to keep me alive when fighting anything even moderately difficult - especially in crowded areas. Targeting and battle lag need to be addressed first.

Oh, we're listening, we just aren't taking selected words out of context, because we are listening. to the whole post.



He might be agreeing with you to a point, but he's saying it should stay for now due to other problems in the game, such as difficulty targeting, as well as UI lag. Nerfing the power of AoE cures now would result in an exponential increase in deaths, which doesn't exactly correlate to fun very well.

I'll admit it seems a bit odd to me that AoE cures are just as potent as single target. However, I'd rather suggest that the MP cost for single target gets lowered (read: don't increase mp cost of AoE, that's penalizing players when MP is precious as is already), or the potency of single target cures gets raised. (read again: don't penalize players, make alternatives more attractive instead.)

So you are saying that challenge = mob does more damage than players can heal for?

Wow... that is so... Everquest 1? Hell even EQ1 had the death touch. Nothing like zoning into the Plane of Fear with Cazic Thule up and all of a sudden hearing your name booming through the plane causing everyone to scramble to log out to clear aggro.

Why can't challenge just as easily be inflicting people like the main tank with Zombie status that makes them take DAMAGE from heals instead of being cured? Whoops... don't want to break out those AoE heals now...

Why can't NMs or mobs have abilities which halve the amount a player can be healed for? Silence mages? Drain MP? Increase casting times and recast timers?

Why does everything have to be so MobX hits YOU for 1,000,000 damage. You have been healed by D00dmage for 900,000 HP?
Truly awesome games that have challenge can get around AoE heals. Mages are probably not going to be getting much TP in mob fights which makes Radiance/Damnation even more worthless than they are now (they don't give much MP.) Ethers give 50 whole MP back (oooooooo.) NMs could be immune to syphon MP and I seriously doubt ANY mage is going to want to walk up and get hit by the NM to get some MP back from Stygian spikes. The only reliable source of getting MP back in a long fight would, most likely, be Exaltation/Transcendence which is on a 10 minute timer.


Edited, Dec 14th 2010 2:49pm by shinichoco

Zombie status doesn't really increase a mob's damage or limit how much players can heal for. It takes something the players have and turns it against them.

Destroying MP and increasing casting times not only limit healing, but damage too. If players can't hurt the mob, the mob won't die and it will eventually whittle the players down.

The point is there ARE other solutions to just nerfing the power of heals and you, for some reason, just don't want to listen to them. If I can think of some alternatives, surely the Devs are creative enough to think of a few of their own and then some. I will go back to my original statement and say, wait until we know what the mobs can throw at us. I would rather them make the mobs stronger in reaction to player power than to nerf players, but we don't need Absolute Virtue clones for every encounter either.

Ummm... last I checked the NMs were due next patch. What NMs are you fighting?

And forgive me if mobs in my previous post was misleading, I was referring to the new mobs and NMs that they are giving us with the next (few?) patch(es).

copy and paste whm abilities, range for casting from 11 and we are gtg. I loved playing whm in 11, i despise casting jobs in 14. :(

they broke them. passive mp regen, yes please, should never have not been in game.

Healing is always challenging as normally the over zelous dd do their part to make things chaotic lol.

As for variety well, healers are meant to......heal! cures should be the main thing you are there for and yes the main ability you use. they can fluff it up with added options and extra buffs but when it comes down to the crunch, you are there to heal and yes, spam it if need be! Oo

i say no to any nerf this early lol, oh my the basic action bar is so bad and slow (even macros) that making things more difficult is just a bad idea.
when the very nitty gritty BASICS of the game work then worry about job strengths and weaknesses, 1/2 the players cant even target between mobs properly the way things are designed...sheesh Oo

Please show me this "healer" class to which you are referring. Under Disciple of Magic I see 2 classes:

Conjurer
Thaumaturge

The conjurer gets: Elemental nukes, Elemental DoTs, Some party buffs, Damage shields, a few MP restoring ability, and some cures.

The Thaumaturge gets: Astral nukes, Astral DoTs, Tons of Enfeebles, Status Drains, Buffs, MP restoring abilities and a some Heal/Regen/Health Transfer (All in one spell: Sacrifice.)

While both have the capability of healing, they are both the primary magic damage dealers of the game. So please tell me where this healer class with only "heals and fluff" you refer to is.

Edited, Dec 14th 2010 10:01pm by shinichoco