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#1 Oct 20 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why does my R20 Alchemist ONLY get offered R1 and R5 leves? Please make it so that once you reach a certain rank in a DoH job you only get offered higher level leves. Why would I do a R1 leve at R20? The mats suck and the exp is non-existant. What a waste of my time.

Also DoW/DoM get to see their guild mark rewards before-hand - why does it have to be a mystery for DoH? I haven't gotten any marks for my alchemist except for the class quest and that is not enough to buy any training. Lame SE - LAME.
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#2 Oct 25 2010 at 11:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I always get at least 1 level 20 leve per day as alchemy myself
granted, I "must" be in Uldah to get them

However, as far as not being able to see mark rewards, I 100% agree that needs fixing. I have my own thread about it too. Right now it is really hard for crafters to get any kind of specialized training before level 30, and only because at 30 youll have 2 quests thatl get you 5k total points.
The low low low low low drop rate on marks is just way too low for crafters.
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#3 Oct 25 2010 at 11:18 PM Rating: Good
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Vedis' thread on this issue: http://www.zam.com/forum.html?game=268&mid=128806928498677263&page=1#m1288069930105312061
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#4 Oct 26 2010 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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I agree that it would be nice if we could see beforehand if the leve is going to grant marks or not, but at the same time right now for me it wouldn't make much difference. I take all 20+ leves I can get my hands on for the free skillups, but once I get to about rank 30-32 or so I would imagine that even rank 20 leves would seem a little unappealing but I'll still pick them up anyways because maybe there will be some marks to be earned from them.

I know there are some people who are getting all kinds of guild marks for their DoH of choice and I'm happy for them. But at the same time a lot of these people are competition for me, and a system handing out rewards at random (much less rank appropriate leves) in such a way that some people can be working on their third or fourth training book and I'm still 1800 marks away from my first, it's broken.

I was offered no rank 20+ armorer levequests for my rank 26 armorer after Saturday morning's reset. I was offered two after yesterday's reset. I failed one of them. I'd much rather the system offer a smaller amount of guild marks far more frequently than offer what it does at the rate that it does just to give me the sense that I'm actually progressing towards something. A week and a half with no marks at all is very discouraging, especially when you're hearing about the luck others are having.
#5 Nov 05 2010 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just wanted to post my frustration with local leves and the lack of guild marks.

I dinged WVR27 last night. Every reset I go to all three towns religiously. For a DoW/DoM that would mean 9-18 leves of your targetted rank, guaranteed. For DoH, however, 5 is a good day, less than 3 is pretty likely. And this is when even targetting leves 6+ ranks lower than me, simply because I am desperate for guild marks. I find the selection of leves terribly frustrating and disheartening.

As for guild marks, the extremely low droprate on them almost makes me sick. Again, I do local leves religiously, every reset, and in all three towns. As a WVR27, guess how many guild marks I have? ~2600, and 2000 of them came from the rank 20 quest. That means in 7 ranks, doing leves whenever possible, I've earned a total of 600 marks. It was around 250 the first time I received them and around 350 the next time I did.

This is a total morale killer. I really want to craft, but I'm so disheartened by the fact that I'm jumping through all the hoops I'm supposed to, and at the end of the day, I'm a victim of terrible random number generators.

Please fix this, S-E, and hopefully sooner rather than later. I haven't seen a WVR guild mark in over 30 rank 20+ leves. Something is wrong here.
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#6 Nov 05 2010 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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That means in 7 ranks, doing leves whenever possible, I've earned a total of 600 marks.

I thought I had it bad by being awarded marks once by rank 22. 7 ranks and 600 marks? Good gravy.

I've completely given up on marks. Ignoring it saves me worlds of frustration.
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#7 Nov 05 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Update: Another 5 leves today (3 R20, 2 R25), 0 marks. haha. How utterly lame. I really hope S-E does read these threads.
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#8 Nov 06 2010 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Ridere wrote:
Update: Another 5 leves today (3 R20, 2 R25), 0 marks. haha. How utterly lame. I really hope S-E does read these threads.


I've been noticing that when I go to pick up regional leves that some resets there are no Gladiator marks to be had at all but 3-4 leves through all three cities that offer guild marks for one specific class (ie. some days it would be awfully sweet if I actually cared about guild marks for my Pugilist). I think local leves work the same way. I've got 3 DoH classes above 20 now, with another at 19 and as a result, I tend to do a lot of 20+ leves and it's rare for me to go two resets without seeing marks; it's just an issue of which class that is getting them. One benefit is that their appear to be a lot of cross-class training books you can get (ie. cobbling, glovemaking, etc.) so it's not a total waste to be getting leatherworker or weaver marks, but it does nothing for people trying to focus on one class, or people who dabble a bit in all but only have one class able to reliably complete 20+ leves.

And frankly, I'm awfully tired of traveling to all three cities on reset day just to see if there are rank 20+ armorer leves to be had. It's a phenomenal time sink and it has never paid off for me in terms of guild marks.
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Aurelius wrote:
Ridere wrote:
Update: Another 5 leves today (3 R20, 2 R25), 0 marks. haha. How utterly lame. I really hope S-E does read these threads.


I've been noticing that when I go to pick up regional leves that some resets there are no Gladiator marks to be had at all but 3-4 leves through all three cities that offer guild marks for one specific class (ie. some days it would be awfully sweet if I actually cared about guild marks for my Pugilist). I think local leves work the same way. I've got 3 DoH classes above 20 now, with another at 19 and as a result, I tend to do a lot of 20+ leves and it's rare for me to go two resets without seeing marks; it's just an issue of which class that is getting them. One benefit is that their appear to be a lot of cross-class training books you can get (ie. cobbling, glovemaking, etc.) so it's not a total waste to be getting leatherworker or weaver marks, but it does nothing for people trying to focus on one class, or people who dabble a bit in all but only have one class able to reliably complete 20+ leves.

And frankly, I'm awfully tired of traveling to all three cities on reset day just to see if there are rank 20+ armorer leves to be had. It's a phenomenal time sink and it has never paid off for me in terms of guild marks.


Yah, WVR/TAN are my main crafts right now. I'm working to get ARM up to 10, simply to have all the rank 10 abilities, but I'll focus only on the first two. Either way, going like 40 local leves without any guild marks is really just a poorly-implemented system. I don't regret doing them, mainly for the SP, but to have little to show for all the work (When I've focused less on my THM and have around 50k marks) is just really saddening.
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#10 Nov 08 2010 at 5:51 PM Rating: Good
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I still haven't gotten even 1 alchemist guild mark since my R20 quest. This sucks. I just want poisoning training. I wish that the R20 quest gave enough marks so that one could get at least 1 training book.
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#11 Nov 08 2010 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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I still haven't gotten even 1 alchemist guild mark since my R20 quest. This sucks. I just want poisoning training. I wish that the R20 quest gave enough marks so that one could get at least 1 training book.


I've actually hit a very irritating wall right now where I'm getting very few rank 20+ armorer leves the ones I'm getting all call for training books, and I'm failing them because of the way the system is tuned. So I can't complete the leves because I'm taking massive durability hits on failed attempts I can't get the books to reduce the durability loss because I'm lucky to see guild marks every two weeks, and I can't get more guild marks until I start completing leves again. Rank 28 armorer and I've failed all 3 rank 25 leves I've been offered over the last two resets.

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#12 Nov 16 2010 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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Still haven't gotten 1 alchemy guild mark since the R20 rank quest.

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I hav edone ove r10 and got nothing still sitting at 2000 marks ...... GIVE US A BREAK PLEASE
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#14 Nov 20 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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very nice to see I am not the only, nor the worst hit by this. I have managed to accrue 922 points beyond my rank quest and I hit every city reset. Well I did, now I accept the fact that SE hates me personally and wishes horrible things on my crafting career (lol ok little over dramatic there.) But for real it is very discouraging to see that there seems to be 2 classes those that are getting and those that are not, and how do I switch teams lol
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#15 Nov 20 2010 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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Im close to ARM and BSM 29...I got 3k on ARM so far and 2k on BSM...as I did the ARM Class Quest I was able to get me my first training on Rank 28 now...this is ust BS <.<
I'm gonna do the BSM Class Quest on 30 just to get me that 3k GMs so I can get me a BSM Training...
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Have to say this is starting to frustrate me heavily now and really hoping for some kind of change in the update this week.

Its a three point issue thats the most galling....

1 Not being able to see the marks when selecting the leve
2 Not being able to stack to increase like DoL, DoW, DoM can
3 Being offered random leves which means you are lucky to get Rank 20+ ones in the first place.

Why is the DoW / DoM / DoL system so much better (admittedly DoL not having rank 20's in all areas is sucky but is already being addressed)

I'm really worried this is not going to be addresses in the coming update and will be a real blow as trying to get just one ability is painful, let alone the several that most people want. The only saving grace is the nice overlap between the various crafting classes on abilities, which for me wanting to level several crafting classes is a nice touch.
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#17 Nov 25 2010 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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I really want my poisoning training - at this rate it is never going to happen
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#18 Nov 25 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I didn't realize that this was an issue. I figured that it would be the same as the DOM and DOW. Being a FSH, BOT, and ALC, this really has me concerned. They really need to fix this, I'm really not going to have fun when my alc gets to twenty, much less my other DOH and DOL jobs.
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#19 Nov 26 2010 at 11:17 PM Rating: Good
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Please fix this! everyone brings up exaclty the same problems i face ^_^

1. i dont want to see any dang 1,5,10 crafting leves when im like 40.
2. show me some dang guild crafting marks i can earn...so lame how we cant earn crud.
#20 Nov 30 2010 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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SE - I still haven't gotten any alchemy marks. I get over 50 on my alchemy leves and still nothing - meanwhile my friend got 17 on his R15 weaver leve and got guild marks. Can you please just show marks as a reward (along with the required score?)

Something like:

reward:
Coerthas Carrots X12
50+ appraisal 300 culinarian guild marks

would be very nice.

Honestly - WHY can't DoH have the same ability to choose leves with guildmark rewards that EVERY OTHER discipline has - especially since it can be argued that mark-bought abilities are more important to DoH than any other discipline.
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#21 Dec 02 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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SE - I still haven't gotten any alchemy marks. I get over 50 on my alchemy leves and still nothing - meanwhile my friend got 17 on his R15 weaver leve and got guild marks. Can you please just show marks as a reward (along with the required score?)

Something like:

reward:
Coerthas Carrots X12
50+ appraisal 300 culinarian guild marks

would be very nice.

Honestly - WHY can't DoH have the same ability to choose leves with guildmark rewards that EVERY OTHER discipline has - especially since it can be argued that mark-bought abilities are more important to DoH than any other discipline.


Just a related aside, but so far I've not seen any indication that whether or not you're awarded marks if a function of final appraisal value. I think that was another myth that made sense to some extent but isn't holding up to scrutiny. Since the patch I've rarely broken a final score of 50 but I've earned marks from 2-3 leves. I believe appraisal score can influence how many marks (and shards) you get, but not whether or not you get marks or gil.

So far as I can tell, marks from local leves work the same as they do from regional leves; it's predetermined before you even pick up the leve and it's random.
#22 Dec 02 2010 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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Aurelius wrote:

So far as I can tell, marks from local leves work the same as they do from regional leves; it's predetermined before you even pick up the leve and it's random.


Then they should show the marks. Period. EVERY OTHER DISCIPLINE gets to see whether a leve has marks or not. Why do DoH get screwed - especially since marks are MORE important to DoH than any other class?
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#23 Dec 30 2010 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Because you cant see the marks, combined with because you can make the items (most of the time) before you get to the NPC to turn them in, I didn't think about the idea that I was changing jobs in between. Sometimes I would go overnight before turning in. But I recently experimented with not changing jobs once I accpeted the quest, and suddenly I get marks! Maybe it's random still. But I am definitely one of the less lucky and have had very few marks on turn ins (maybe two in 15 levels?!?!?!? And I was going to all three towns for quite a while until i just gave up on the effort.
#24 Dec 30 2010 at 11:50 AM Rating: Good
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I still haven't gotten 1 book.
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