Nostalgia overload (FFXI event)Follow

In my opinion there is 0 reason to create a remake if it doesn't have a similar battle system or retain most of the core. If too much changes it may as well not be called a remake and be called The After years, The before years, Crisis core, advent children, or Final Fantasy 16.

A remaster is hardly any changes with an HD resolution bump.
A spiritual successor is same gameplay systems with a new world,characters, and story.
A sequel is a continuation of a previous world and game with new story and gameplay improvements.

A remake imo is drastically different for all the above. It retains the majority of the core, gets huge visual upgrades, full voice acting, modern UI, fixes the broken, and introduces new content in addition to the original.
For example:
Remaster=Blue ray 1080p classic star wars
Spiritual= Force Awakens
Sequel=All star wars in sequence originally
Remake= If they remade the original Return of The Jedi with the original cast with some plot twist and new tech(In this case not possible because actors age, unless it was all digital with voice actors lol)

I guess I just don't understand the point of a segmented release. Though you could probably find several intervals to split the game into, the original story wasn't episodic. It also leaves questions about how the game will be sold since undoubtedly, many people will be looking to purchase an all-inclusive collector's edition of the game rather than piecing it out over however long they decide to do that.

Regardless, the capacity of the game is just a poor excuse. Unless SE is just oblivious about the popularity of their game(which I don't question given how long it's taken for this to happen), I would assume the 'spare no expense' would be applied here since it's easily going to be a big earner. Even if the total cost of an extra disc was passed along to the consumer, I'm sure most people would rather shell out that extra money for a complete version of the game.

Also, we live in the age of the internet. If SE didn't have the funds to front said discs to their prospective customers, they could easily fit whatever they could on a single disk and make the rest available for download. I almost feel like that's how the game will be sold anyway. Either buy the normal edition or the collectors edition of the first episode and then purchase further episodes a la DLC style downloads.

I guess I'd just rather they come clean and outright say "We're gonna milk this for all it's worth" rather than lying about the reasons why they're doing it. I wouldn't buy it, but I'd at least respect it.

You may be underestimating SE's desire to sell you THREE collector's editions.

This is the part where literal dollar signs just start falling from the sky.

This franchise hasn't been the dominating the rpg space as it once did in the 90s but it is a household stay hold now just as much as Mario or Zelda is. I am guessing it has to do with Wada not calling the shots and one dev, most likely Nomura just said, I'll lead it, let's do it.

The difference is that Nintendo is still putting out games that are fun to play. It's been quite some time that SE hasn't been focused on how well games play as much as how good they look. We've already seen fans moving away from playing these games solely because they're FF games. There will always be those "Don't care, Final Fantasy" players but it's not sustainable.


I don't understand the hesitance in remastering VII. Even without the assets, VII guarantees return on investment with a huge upside. Wada at times sounded like he felt powerless to steer the beast honestly. He's on record as saying something along the lines of the company's direction with FF being more about catering rather than creating.

I don't dislike Nomura, but his background in character and visual design doesn't translate well into games that are fun to play as much as it does 'games' that are visually appealing. As I stated before, players want to make choices in RPGs that affect their experience in the game. Simply designing a game around what you choose to play dress-up in isn't a problem so long as it's marketed as such. I'd just rather see an rpG rather than an RPg, if that makes sense.

Really? For me those were some of the bigger positives. Especially in XIII, it was about the only positive, and I remember many reviewers saying the same thing.

And I did. I didn't like FFXIII at all but the battle system was particularly disappointing for me.

KH and Crisis Core though? Not sure what the complaint was there.

So pretty much every Final Fantasy?

Edited, Dec 14th 2015 10:38am by lolgaxe

Except the mmos?

I've been having fun in 11 for the past month, but yeah, that game is definitely a one-hander unless I'm chatting with linkshell mates.

FFXIV can be a one-hander too, but you've got to be willing to eat some AoEs -- which doesn't always matter, given how overgeared most people are for daily content.

Yea I have been playing allot of FFXI.. I knew FFXIV endgame was bad but the more I play FFXI I realize just how terrible FFXIV really is even with the nerfed state FFXI is in.

The new Relic or what ever they call is more of the same ole thing again too... I dont even want to do it at all and why? FFXIV now feels even more grindy than FFXI ever was but not only is it grindy it is the same grind over and over. If it were not for Tesee not wanting to loose her house I would cancel. I just can not play the game till they add something truly new but it is important to her in case we come back because there will be a end to FFXI. Plus Tesee is not playing FFXI but she wants to go back too finish her empyrean weapon. Her issue is she has only played on the Xbox and trying to play on a PC might be a issue with her.

I think for us the crafting has become a grind too now with the whole script thing and they messed it up like they did the rest of the game. No matter what crafting in FFXIV is more fun than FFXI. Even though crafting stunk it was worth something in FFXI.

I have been chatting recently with a bunch of people that play both... Allot went back for the end of the game in FFXI and allot are staying. It is amazing the impact FFXI has had on people lives. There are allot of people I was talking to that are going to be lost because when FFXI ends because it is the only game they knew since it was around for so long. I have a couple friends that are that way. Funny how those that have played both really dont like FFXIV after Heavensward at all.

I think for us too it is the community. You walk back to FFXI and people are so darn friendly. I think for Tesee and I if we would have stayed on the FFXIV server with our FFXI friends we would not feels as bad... We left that server after beta to be with ZAM FC but at that point there was only a couple of people we knew there, now most of our FFXI friends are together there, basically our old LS. But still the community in FFXI is great. I think it is even better since no new content now and people have finished everything up and looking for things to do.. But now they say there is more new content coming too FFXI.

It is starting to feel like FFXIV is coming apart some.. it seems like more people are leaving now and maybe it will be a wake-up call For SE and it dont seem like allot came back like they normally do for the patches.

It just seem like their is no commitment to FFXIV. I mean everything is recycled content. They keep creating new problems with out fixing the old ones. I watched for 5 days as bots sitting by all the fore/sale boards right where everyone crafts and nothing being done. Yesterday in the GC area there was a line of them continually teleporting in..


I really want to like FFXIV. FFXI is really feeling old, it has no wide screen support and the characters look stretched. But FFXI even in it's state is a better game. I do not want FFXIV to be FFXI but I do want it to be a good game. I see it has potential that is why we are so afraid to end our subscription but I am afraid it will never come.
I was hopping Heavensward would add some thing new and it really didn't, i was hoping the new relic would be something cool and it aint.

Edited, Dec 17th 2015 12:02pm by Nashred

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Edited, Dec 17th 2015 12:30pm by Nashred

Something something PS2 Limitations something something. Seriously though, you can even stream itemsets in XI in a way - So I really don't see what's stopping SE from doing it with XIV aside clearly having worse server infrastructure than XI or simply an excuse to sell more Retainers.