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#27 Jul 12 2015 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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Tinka wrote:
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I mean does it usually stay on through most battles? Or are you toggling it during fights?


Wanderer's Minuet is almost completely worthless. Not only does it defeat the entire purpose of being a bard by removing our movement,.


Actually, the entire purpose of Bard is to throw our support songs and knowing when to sacrifice DPS. Lots of actual tough fights in the game requires periods of when you need to rotate your songs.

Yes, song rotations. As a Bard. A Support class. Surprising, no?

WM isn't worthless, all it did was make bad bards worse and slightly lower overall dps of good bards. By Good bards I mean bards who's dps numbers already fluctuated because they rotated songs, and I highly suggest you don't say something like: "Well I cleared T13 without ever needing to use a song" because that means not only did you clear it post echo, but you got carried hard, because a lot of phases requires you to toss in Paeon and Ballad. Foes doesn't touch DPS but that's almost a given. :p

I understand you meant as a DPS bard is a mobile DPS, but that's not the entire point of the job unless you stick to content like CT where you can get away not using songs (because one of the many other brds tend to do it.)

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WM and the abilities that come with it are almost exclusively not used at all by any bard who knows what they are doing.


Considering it's sounding like "DPS is the only thing that matters to BRD" ...I'm not exactly sure this can be said with confidence.

Edited, Jul 12th 2015 5:55am by Theonehio
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#28 Jul 13 2015 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Finally found someone who could parse me on bard, so I gave it a go.

On a dummy, at 180, I parse 800 exclusively out of minuet and 920 while exclusively in minuet. Mixed with an out of minuet opener (ss+dots) before dropping into WM I can get about 950.

With dragoon boost, food, and x-pots I could get higher, but I haven't tried that.

In battle, single target bosses with normal movement / mechanics / downtime, I parse around 650 - 700.

While aoeing a group of 3+ in WM I can parse 1k+. I can't get that high out of WM with aoe because I am juggling TP too much.

So is it worth it if I know the boss is about to stay still for 20 seconds charging an attack to switch to WM and SS > Iron Jaws > Barrage + Empyrial Arrow > Sidewinder > Heavy Shot > Refresh IJ and SS while weaving EA and SW, using HS on GCD? Sure!

Is it worth it to switch into WM to kill the slime adds on alex floor 3, or the moths in Ravana Ex? No way! Need those instant shots and ability to move.

#29 Jul 14 2015 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
I've been running ACT and parsing myself in Ex dungeons, and amusingly enough I kick everyone's *** in Neverreap because of the ability to turn off WM and run and shoot. The only jobs that outparse me in that dungeon are BLM and SMN since I have Foe's up for them.
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