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#27 Apr 03 2015 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Theonehio wrote:

Then..Final Fantasy Type 0/HD.




*Eyeroll*

Those are controlled on an individual rating scale with controlled releases in different areas with differing restriction. Retail vs Online.
#28Theonehio, Posted: Apr 03 2015 at 10:34 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You mean the controlled environment of how the Chinese client had to have modifcations and the Korean client has to as well? Even XI has some blood here and there (not much) and it's released in the same regions largely. By the way, the only changes online vs retail is "Online interaction can't be rated", yet the game itself still receives a rating, and anything above "Kids" rating tend to have some blood here and there.
#29 Apr 03 2015 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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You're blindingly bias hatred for Yoshida is noted. However, we're dealing with reality here.

Things like suggestive texts can easily be handled in the localization portion, and implied sexuality is not actual sex acts, which even US standards make clear separations on in rating scales.

Note that the actual act of Dismemberment was not seen at all? Everything is implied. Yoshida took the safe route of depiction that skirts the bounds of the fewest rule violations possible, saving redundant work for localization teams. Why is this even a subject for contention?



Edited, Apr 3rd 2015 1:56pm by Hyrist
#30Theonehio, Posted: Apr 03 2015 at 12:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well..you basically chose to harass me when I literally said nothing wrong, so you tell me.
#31 Apr 03 2015 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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You make unfounded statements pinning the blame on the producer, repeatedly insulting an individual with little to no grounds. If you wish to refer calling out your bias against Yoshida harassment, you're free to interpret that however you wish. However, I won't tolerate the spread of misinformation on these boards, especially those purposefully designed to depict a game, staff member, or moderator in a bad light.

You're reaching for ways to criticize Yoshida at every turn, and lately I've grown intolerant for it. As I stated before, you seem to be using these boards exclusively to express your distaste for the game, though you remain subscribed. Everything he does is a cop-out or some other failing to you. It's far more rare for you to be praising of Yoshida than I am to be critical. In fact, it's s stretch of the mind to even know where you ever praised or acknowledged his work or efforts.

We can argue individual countries values verses sex and violence all you like, but neither one of us are professors in international law. Nor are we game producers having to deal with multiple national issues. The rulsets of one segment that may seem benign to us may be a major issue for a place like say, France or Denmark, where as other issues, such as sexuality, may not be such a big issue for those countries, but they're triggers for hyperconservative lawmakers like the kind we have in the US.

So, Yoshida skirts the line between. Sexual encounters are implied, dismemberment is, implied. The lines that are drawn to make these explicit are written out in black and white for Yoshida to skirt. It's your word against a game producer. You're going to have to cite sources if you want to decry BS, especially with your reputation.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2015 3:10pm by Hyrist
#32 Apr 04 2015 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Theonehio wrote:


And yet it still falls under 'violence'. since the characters were still committing the act of violence, which heavily wasn't implied that someone got cut down in some fashion. Usually that also means there may be blood, so the person who mentioned not seeing blood, despite the game's rating allows it, was a simple question, and saying that they "can't show it in some regions" despite the other fairly mature themed FF game ontop of them already making client modifications in the regions they can't do X means they could if they wanted to. No one was asking for mortal kombat levels of gore, think of back to XI and how when you had to take care of Amnaf after she became a soulflayer..you see blood here and there and even an Immortal basically ripping her heart out (implied.) Stuff like that they were perfectly ok with showing, so a little bit blood spray in that fashion isn't that much. So it does skirt close, but they get away with quite a lot when it comes to the rating.



It wasn't the lack of blood that broke the 4th layer for me, but it was the fact that the guy got his arm cut off, didn't get medical attention, and actually did a bunch of active stuff with his arm gone and didn't pass out from "implied" blood loss. So either:

A: He has some really really effective clotting factors.
B. Blood doesn't exist in the game world and oxygen is carried to their tissues by little spriggans
C. Raubahn has some special skill we don't know about (FFXI dark knight) where pain that doesn't kill him literally (not just metaphorically) makes him stronger.

I'm betting a combination of B and C. Spriggans ftw.
#33 Apr 05 2015 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
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Seeing as how Raubahn used to use two weapons... And now he'll have to make due with one... Does that mean he might be the new Dark Knight trainer?
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#34 Apr 05 2015 at 2:40 AM Rating: Excellent
Can we please stay on topic instead of this constant attacking of each other?

Can you both just agree to disagree and move on?
#35 Apr 05 2015 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seeing as how Raubahn used to use two weapons... And now he'll have to make due with one... Does that mean he might be the new Dark Knight trainer?


If the job is available to people who purchased the expansion but did not finish 2.55 content, that wouldn't make sense. Pipin is another possibility, but again, you'd have to meet him prior to 2.55 and he was supposedly out on the front doing stuff for the Flames.

(Something I only noticed when I went back and watched a video from 1.0 - Pipin wears Raubahn's old gladiator helmet. HOWEVER both helmets look an awful lot like Zeid's helmet from FFXI, and he was the DRK dude there.)

Speculation is running rampant that Pipin is Nanamo's illegitimate child or younger brother or something - and I'm leaning in that direction of younger missing brother. He has her hair color, and Nanamo is only in her 20s, too young to have had a kid Pipin's age.

Edited, Apr 5th 2015 8:35am by Catwho
#36Theonehio, Posted: Apr 05 2015 at 7:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pipin did say he was adopted which could just be "to keep the peace" and not spread that Rau banged Nanamo, even though everyone knows this since 1.0's storyline. It would make sense though it just means players can't unlock it without the expansion registered, like XI. You even had the Puppetmaster starter in Bastok Markets, but the actual "master" was in Whitegate.
#37 Apr 05 2015 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Valkayree wrote:
[quote=Theonehio]It wasn't the lack of blood that broke the 4th layer for me, but it was the fact that the guy got his arm cut off, didn't get medical attention, and actually did a bunch of active stuff with his arm gone and didn't pass out from "implied" blood loss.


Lol it seems odd to me that you pick out this detail considering the guy can kick a pillar and survive being hit with a fire slash and live. He also went into a red rage with mass adrenaline pumping im sure. It's obvious that his body is particularly resilient when it comes to harm due to his many years in the coliseum and the fact that he is a highlander. But even if all of that wasn't true, you expect a fantasy game to be completely comparable to real life? Come on now..
#38 Apr 05 2015 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol it seems odd to me that you pick out this detail considering the guy can kick a pillar and survive being hit with a fire slash and live. He also went into a red rage with mass adrenaline pumping im sure. It's obvious that his body is particularly resilient when it comes to harm due to his many years in the coliseum and the fact that he is a highlander. But even if all of that wasn't true, you expect a fantasy game to be completely comparable to real life? Come on now..


I've seen fantasy games where people rip off their own arm and beat you with it and it still had blood since they're still alive D:
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#39 Apr 05 2015 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Theonehio wrote:
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I've seen fantasy games where people rip off their own arm and beat you with it and it still had blood since they're still alive D:


Well the blood thing I already commented on. Would I have rather seen blood and the taru I hate being cut into two? Sure. But who knows for sure whats going on behind the scenes that they couldnt add it. I particularly remember Yoshi saying he could display things or create scenes exactly how he wanted due to restrictions of different regions. Dont know how true that is but I'm not a producer or a lawyer so I couldnt say one way or another I only have his word to go on.


Edited, Apr 5th 2015 10:51am by SaitoMishima
#40 Apr 05 2015 at 8:04 PM Rating: Excellent
Just finished the story... WOW! That was amazing. Yoshi-P must be a Game of Thrones fan!

As others have done, first thing I did after finishing was teleport to Ul'dah and talk to some locals. Cool to see that some of the NPC dialogue has changed, and good to see that Momodi is still firmly on our side. I also like what the Brass Blade stationed outside the Rising Stones says.

Anyway, very well done... absolutely stoked now for the expansion!
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#41 Apr 05 2015 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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All I'm saying, Thancred used to be an adventurer like me, until he took an arrow to the knee.


Edited, Apr 5th 2015 10:47pm by Turin
#42 Apr 06 2015 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Just finished the last mission cut scenes over the weekend.

I enjoyed the great cinematic,s and the great plot twists….. but…

It was my arm that should have been chopped off, while Gaius Van Baelsar said he was my father.
#43 Apr 06 2015 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just finished the last mission cut scenes over the weekend.

I enjoyed the great cinematic,s and the great plot twists….. but…

It was my arm that should have been chopped off, while Gaius Van Baelsar said he was my father.


There's enough time yet for the Garlean empire to strike back.
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#44 Apr 06 2015 at 2:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was my arm that should have been chopped off, while Gaius Van Baelsar said he was my father.


... And Minfilia is your twin sister!
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#45 Apr 06 2015 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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It was my arm that should have been chopped off, while Gaius Van Baelsar said he was my father.


... And Minfilia is your twin sister!

I am sure that the little harmless make out session with your twin sister will never become known.
#46 Apr 07 2015 at 12:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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SaitoMishima wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
[quote=Theonehio]It wasn't the lack of blood that broke the 4th layer for me, but it was the fact that the guy got his arm cut off, didn't get medical attention, and actually did a bunch of active stuff with his arm gone and didn't pass out from "implied" blood loss.


Lol it seems odd to me that you pick out this detail considering the guy can kick a pillar and survive being hit with a fire slash and live. He also went into a red rage with mass adrenaline pumping im sure. It's obvious that his body is particularly resilient when it comes to harm due to his many years in the coliseum and the fact that he is a highlander. But even if all of that wasn't true, you expect a fantasy game to be completely comparable to real life? Come on now..


Well the gambit runs from real life all the way to the black knight from Monty Python and the holy grail, so the key here is consistency. Is that just the way their world is, or is Raubahn special? Maybe he is a dark knight? Maybe we will find out in 3.0...

I personally still think you can't die from blood loss in FFXIV because little spriggans carry the oxygen to the tissues. And they don't spill out of open wounds because they are scared of the light. Smiley: schooled So there.
#47 Apr 07 2015 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
Or the Red Lotus Blade move that Ilberd has actually DOES sort of turn his sword into a lightsaber and it was cauterized. It's a fire element weapon skill, right? It was in 1.0 on gladiator and they took it away from 2.0, but in XI and 1.0 it was definitely fire aspected.
#48 Apr 07 2015 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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Honestly, I was mostly bothered by him losing the arm covered in inch think armor...
#49 Apr 11 2015 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoBojYsuOI

Speaking of blood and such. This is why I said it could have easily been in-game if they so chose (Since that whole arc was essentially a long cutscene.). This is the full trailer.



Edited, Apr 11th 2015 6:13am by Theonehio
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#50 Apr 11 2015 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
Thanks Hio, made a new thread for that.
#51 Apr 15 2015 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
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http://time.com/3817373/final-fantasy-14-naoki-yoshida/?xid=tcoshare

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As for the storyline we moved towards dark fantasy which is reflected in each scene.


Hope this means they are moving towards a deeper darker story-line that really makes me think and care about the events in each scene. looking forward to see how this plays out.
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