Speedruns...Follow

What's the deal with them? I'm really starting to get sick of joining a group in the Duty Finder and finding out they want to speed run the dungeon.

Not so much the speed running by itself. I can appreciate the need for efficiency. But lately every group i've run into on a multitude of jobs (i108 NIN and i105 BRD) seems to absolutely suck at it.

For instance my last three groups of Sastasha (Hard) have been this way, the same with my last two groups of The Stone Vigil (Hard).

1) The dungeon would start, we would say hello.
2) The healer would buff us and the tank would start running.
3) Picks up the first group,
4) Picks up the second group,
5) Picks up the third group and starts fighting there.
6) We manage to kill a few before we wipe.
R) We revive, start over at 1...

2-3 wipes and repeats later we'll make it to the first boss wasting a good 10 minutes. And people blindly accept this.

If you were to start the dungeon and take them on one-by-one you'd be at the boss quicker, efficienter, without danger or stress, and everyone would still be happy. Well, that's supposed to be the case, but meanwhile you'll get shouted at to pull more (and most likely wipe when you do).

It isnt a case of Gear or Player skill, it's them blindly doing it because; "That one group that runs Coil who know what everyone on their team can do with their eyes closed does it this way, so we will bloody well do it this way as well". And they'll get there, sure. Everyone will be pissed off at each other, names will have been called, maybe people will even have left, but they'll get there.

But seriously? Is it really worth it? Cant we just get rid of this speed run mentality and just do things the old fashioned way one group at a time? At most you're going to be 5 minutes slower doing it this way, atleast compared to a speed run where no one dies (which would be a miracle as of late).

Arent you guys sick of speed runs already as well?

I've become increasingly aware that people either do not know how to or forget to lb. As a former black mage turned bard, it pains me to see that yellow bar sitting full until the final boss. You can build that thing a good 2-3 times during the course of play.

The reason people are speed running is because most of them are trying for zodiac drops. 11% drop, and it has to happen once on DD + AV + every single lvl 50 dungeon except the three newest ones. Once you queue for the 10th time, you start just wanting to get it over with.

I like to paladin for this reason. I see the dps and the healer, and determine how many groups I can take simply based on their hp.
2 - 3000 hp dps and a 3000 hp healer... =( 1 at a time
1 - 3000 hp dps, a 5000 hp dps and a 3000 hp healer... 2 groups only if the 5000 hp dps is blm or bard.
2 - 5000 hp dps and a 5000 hp healer... Pull the room (but ask first).

But if I can help it, I like to bard the dungeons. I can tank ak and wp on my bard, and still push pretty fast even when paired with a 3k hp monk. My favorite combo is 5k bard + blm, 11k warrior, 5k scholar. That is the ideal combo to wipe the floor with quick aoe damage.

Edited, Feb 9th 2015 12:16pm by Valkayree

Basically this.

When you run into the issue described in the OP it's usually because of one of three things:
1: Your tank can't handle it but thinks he can
2: Your healer can't handle it but the tank didn't bother to check
3: Your group has garbage AoE because of the classes involved

Honestly if any of these three things are going on, you probably shouldn't be speedrunning the dungeon. Maybe you can get away with pulling a couple packs at a time, but you shouldn't be pulling entire rooms of AV.

Well I did Hullbreaker Isle 29 times.. Most was done as healer, probably 85 percent for shorter Que times. Almost all were speed runs.
I had tanks pull all the way to the first boss fight and have no issues and others can not make it half that far without a wipe? As a healer I got the blame sometimes.. Whats was the difference between parties, it could not be me since I was the constant in the equation. Well sometimes I think it was the tank but mostly its dps especially aoe dps.

Once the tanks defensive abilities are gone a Whm only has a few abilities to keep him alive. Once those are gone if dps has not killed the mobs or at least eliminated most their aint much anyone can do.

The easiest parties always had a BLM. The perfect party seemed to have a bard and a blm..

I had one tank pull to the first boss and wipe and then he tried two pulls and wiped, he then left still. I knew it was not going to be pretty when I saw a dragoon with pretty low hp for that dungeon.

I think too in hullbreaker allot of tanks forget about final sting.

Honestly slower/smaller pulls can go even faster than speed run pulls sometimes. If I can use my mp for damage with holy instead of healing...





Edited, Feb 9th 2015 3:31pm by Nashred

That is a issue for sure. The mentioned tank above that left after two pulls. The reason the second pull didn't work is my timers were still down as well as others..

Another thing is tanks that dont say anything about how far they are going and they stop and start again and when they stop you start healing.. That can lead to problems.

I leveled and geared WAR for the purpose of running dungeons. I generally just take it easy and have never had a single complaint. If everyone requests I grab more mobs, then sure. Really, if you pull massive packs and die even just the once or twice, how much time are you really saving in the end?

Things like Brayflox HM were good, but the whole population knew what to do on that one. Along with WP and whatever other dungeons we've speedrun over time.

I found it a bit annoying when people tried to speedrun even though I said I was new to the dungeon and just got back to the game. I mean, not only was it not fun to speedrun since I wanted to experience it normally at least one time, but usually I had a handful trying to understand what was going on and such too which made me mess up sometimes so someone died which made me feel bad.

I mean, if I had known what was coming and it had come slowly and methodically I could have handeled it even though I kept forgetting I had spell X and Y (since I hadn't gotten into the game again yet), but with my low item level and experience I just felt like it would have been faster taking it easy, not to mention more fun. Very few people whined about dying after I apologized though so I'll give them props for that.

Edited, Feb 10th 2015 12:32pm by Valkayree

You may not have suggested it, but that's essentially what this thread is about: fighting more than one pack of mobs at a time.

I think SE needs to fix this problem... I was on miner yesterday before going into a run, I was WHM. My timers were not ready the tank stood there I didn't get stone skin or protect because I was waiting for my timers.. Of coarse he ends up taking off without them and goes into a major pull.. We survived barely but I was not too happy.

I mean with the que times lately even for Whm I am not just going to stand their and wait. I am going to gather or craft and need to switch.

Edited, Feb 11th 2015 9:16am by Nashred

speaking of speed runnin are any of the new poetic tomes dungeons as fast as speed running brayflox hard was? Id love to start getting back to capping poetics and getting that il20 stuff lol

I don't think they are. Wanderer's Palace HM has gates that don't open until you've killed certain mobs. Keeper of the Lake requires certain mobs be killed to get the key to move on (and I think it always drops from the last mob of a group). Amdapor Keep HM has mobs that block you from going further. With the right group composition and well equipped characters, a run under 20 minutes is likely, but probably not a group that's put together from the Duty Finder.

It would be really nice if tanks didn't assume only the DoM get AoEs and just keep the darned mobs in the same place. On a big pull I like to pop Perfect Balance and spam Rockbreaker to pile on the AoE, but the tank has decided to run around so I have to waste my cooldown instead of massive AoE.