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still pretty happy with my roegadyn female. Refreshingly large and hot at the same time.... still no fat ones though. Some mmos play it safe with only beautiful playable characters. Some get grotesque beast races. One day, ffxiv might support fat chicks of all races. On that day, I predict an entire free company of fatties will emerge, winning their fat victories and taking group screenshots. Negative publicity would run rampant, and ffxiv would soon shut down as a result. I'm joking, but it almost seems like the making of ugly female heroes is not something the marketing dept is brave enough to allow yet.

Would anybody play an ugly and/or beastly race? seems like a lot of development for an extreme minority of players. I'm glad they did roegadyn female, Even though the race is not prevalent according to the last census 5%. It feels good to be tall. I put some dirt on her face, but still wish I could make my female roegadyn a bit more "rough" looking. Maybe a slack jaw, or piratesque barskanke grimace with a /drunk pose. She looks way too dayum noble.

Edited, Dec 28th 2014 1:32am by klooste8

Actually, if someone is being willfully antagonistic, their motivations should be put into question. And that has precedent here. Additionally, if someone does not genuinely understand someone's intentions and seeks to correct their misconceptions, then they're well within their rights to ask.

We've had two, very public bannings on these boards on people who were both of a negative opinion on the game and being disrespectful while doing it. Note, the disrespectful portion is the key difference here. (That includes being disrespectful to the game/developers, this is a fansite and some measure of 'fan' is expected in that.) Nothing is wrong with having disagreements and expressing exasperation and a lack of understanding when it's done civilly.

And regardless, it's a fair question to ask. People seem to forget that being here is a privilege, not a right. ZAM and it's affiliates are not a governmental body or public utility. So an individual has no more or less of a right to be verbose about their critical opinions of something as does the person who puts the motivations of the first into question for it - it's all at the whims and permissions of the administration here. Let's dial back on the absolutes, hm?

Anyways, I am of the opinion that it becomes someone's business when their disposition becomes disruptive to the group. You'd do the same for someone who's anti-brony walking into a brony forum. Or an Atheist starting to question a religion inside a church.

That said, I didn't want Hio to leave, I wanted to understand her more. She must have a great group of friends to be willing to stay and be a critical part of their connection to the news of a game that is continually disappointing to her. (I know the feeling, FFXI was like that to me for a while.) I just hope she gets enough enjoyment out of it in spite of everything that irks her.

Theonehio is like that chick Debbie Downer from SNL.

I'll just reference Hyrist since it's at least someone saying something else I would say in a situation like this:

For me, this certainly goes deeper than incidents in the XIV section. I don't mind friendly debates, truly, but sometimes that blurs the line with trolling. I certainly wouldn't say you and I are on good terms, but I'm willing to concede that's more on the perspective of what would make a game good than more direct assaults upon my person. I've endured such in the XI section, especially with RDM involved, and been privy to outright lies I've seen propagated about me on BG or even the XI OF when that became a thing.

Otherwise, we could reference personalities like preludes for here, or further back to XI with rog where, instead of answering questions, he'd berate the person asking them under the premise that maybe they'd possibly hopefully figure it out themselves. Some people were still kind and smart enough to at least help people out, but it'd be difficult to say that damage wasn't done when some newcomer's first step into the pool was met with a shark bite. I could also bring up people like RCD/RDD where, despite being banned, were still allowed to come back and even gloat about deliberately being antagonistic with zero consequences. Such are histories some old-timers aren't looking to repeat because they only nurtured frustration.

Ancient history lessons aren't really what's needed at the moment. For every troublesome face, there are probably 2-3 I like to see around, nevermind those who just plain slip under the radar because they don't make waves. And that's totally okay. Not everyone's going to be a forum celebrity or even a villain. But I'd like to think we can agree that accountability isn't a bad thing. Stuff like, "I put up with it all by playing with friends!" is easy as hell to say, especially when none of said friends are around to concur. So, I'm going to remain skeptical about the implied altruism in this case. For those who might think I'm being unfair, this doubt's been earned.

Honestly though, those two people were for the most part more respectful towards others than people on these forums were towards them. I don't know how many times I saw people get upvoted for calling them names and being extremely inapropriate, whilst they got downvoted to sub default even when they made a valid point.The thing was that they didn't like the game and since this is a fansite more people took issue with them so they were banned (not claiming they never started what could be seen as a bit of a troll thread, but for the most part it didn't even matter because they got jumped either way). Now I am not saying they didn't deserve a ban, but there were many others who deserved it just as much if not even more for the way they treated the ones who got banned.

I agree with you that one should always try to be respectful when discussing (which is admittedly hard sometimes when arguing about something you have a strong opinion about). I would just like to remind people that it goes both ways; even though this is a fansite and you will mostly get a lot of support as long as you are positive about the game.

I am not trying to say they were innocent, but even accounting for nuked posts Hyrist it was pretty bad. From both sides. As someone who more or less just watched from the outside I completely understand why they got banned, but by the same token it was just as strange to see everyone else walk away unscathed so to speak.

As for not having to be positive to earn support I guess it depends on what you consider support. This is a fansite however so I am not even saying people should be necessarily be supportive of someone who is somewhat negative. I am just saying the whole idea that unless you are someone who can sound positive you don't add value to the community or asking why they are even here is a great way to make sure they don't feel welcome. Even though they might like the game enough to want to play and discuss it.

I will just leave it at that because quite frankly I am not even sure how a thread about exciting expansion info turned into this discussion and I don't want to ruin it more.

Also, hope your week turns out better than you seem to expect it to.

Edited, Dec 29th 2014 8:51pm by Belcrono

I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of moving along with the conversation, it did run a bit longer than I desired on the topic,

However I do not mind the topic of conversation derailing from the original as getting too adherent to the topic tends to lead into circlular debate and arguing, moving from one topic to something related or brought up in the course of discussion does tend to move the conversation along, which I find both more enjoyable, and ultimately more productive.

klooste8, I would like to try to turn the perspective on your predicate on its head and instead of being too focusd on the achievement aspect of it, as you're not one that seems to wish to raid heavily (or have doubt in your skill or learning ability) instead, I'd like you to ask yourself what you enjoy doing in FFXIV the most, and let that be your goal in the game. Instead of slogging around the treadmill if that bothers you, make the efforts to explore an unconvential game habit. Perhaps you like the siteseeing, and instead work to hit all of them, then make your own for people in your community to try to find? Perhaps you felt spurned by housing yet still want to have a house of your own, which money making to have the capital set aside for the next housing expansion may be your goal.

If you enjoy questing and story, there are lots of hidden lore gems in local quests and leves you may wish to explore out. So much gets lost in the gear-grind due to that pressure to always stay current. Don't let it break you, and instead, let yourself slip behind some and induge in what you enjoy, and explore what is unfamiliar. You may find passions you never knew you had.

I am going to agree even though I have not read much of this thread. I have been out of town and this is just my opinion. This stuff is not interesting to me, I have enough time keeping up with my jobs already with the constant upgrades to equipment so what do I need new jobs for.
Gun classes I have never cared for in games with swords and shields.
New race well that is more cash shop fodder.
I have seen nothing yet to get me excited about the new expansion..
If it turns out to be just a land expansion with more cookie cutter fates, primal's and dungeons I may quit the game.
I am sure there will be some new story/quest content.
I want new playable content.
I dont want to pay 60.00 to have more fates and 3 boss dungeons with more dodge mechanics and dps checks. I am tired of primal fights that dont require much skill just a good internet connection and memorization. Yea memorization could be considered a skill I guess.

Right now I have discovered crafting and it is keeping me busy for now but I really want to do battle content again, I just got so burned on what is there now.



Edited, Dec 30th 2014 1:00pm by Nashred

I love dragons too and so does Tesee and that does sound cool too me.. I also love story line more than anything. Most story line so far in this game can be finished in a night or a day except pre-end game. Hildy is my Favorite so far.

From 0 - 50 this was the best MMO I have played to date.
Crafting is also the best I have played.
Just end game has been lacking for me and that is where I would really like to see something added.

I can see how someone might like a new job.

I have a friend who pretty much played Darknight in FFXI, he started out playing FFXIV but now is thinking of coming back just for Darknight.

If one of the jobs interested me I could stop playing one of my existing ones but they dont.

What I am looking for in this expansion really is once the story is over some new end game content that is actually new too keep me playing.. something that makes me want to get on..

Edited, Dec 30th 2014 2:31pm by Nashred

That's because you got a different experience every time. That randomness could be frustrating at times ("kill 5 psychflayer NM" floors...) but at least it never got boring.

That sort of randomness is sorely missing from FFXIV. All dungeons and bosses are so incredibly scripted and linear that no matter how cool you make them they're going to get old very quickly.

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Yea more open world would be nice.. I am looking for something along the lines of How campaign, besieged or dynamis changed the game. I am not looking for those exactly but how they changed FFXI.. I could not wait to get home from work to play them for a long time. Well Dynamis had its timer.

I did like hunts allot and wish they would have kept that going but hunts are pretty much dead most of the time on our server.



Most of the dungeons and raids kind of ran together with even primal fights. I did like CT and ST because of the amount of people who had to cooperate to get it done. I liked coil in the beginning too. All dungeons, primals, and raids feel pretty much feel the same. Dps check, dodge mechanics. Less skill and more memorization, almost feels like watching youtube is more important than actually playing sometimes. That is not fun.

I would not mind new dungeons if they did something different. Not just 3 bosses with trash in-between. Each dungeon has got better but yet they still feel the same. I need some variety. I want bosses that react different to the situation.. Not bosses that go ok at this point in my exp bar I am doing this, now at this point in my exp bar I am doing this. I want fights that change same with raids. I want battles that are not predicable.

I know the game is still new and can change and get better. But we are talking a major expansion that we have to pay more money for and it needs to offer more than the major patches did.. They cant just add new land with some new quest line, another primal, fates and new dungeons that are not different than the ones before them. How is that any different than what they have done before?

I just dont want more dungeons, Primals and raids where every-time I go in its the same thing. End game just feels the same over and over.

You know I want that feeling where I am excited about playing the game, I had that earlier. Now with end game I feel like I am getting on because I have to cap tomes or what ever. I feel like I am being forced to run old content over and over.

Also for the new expansion it would be nice if the story line took more than a day to complete.. Some of them in FFXI took months.

This game has so much potential. Even housing, SE needs to work on it not just make it a vanity item. Tes had so much fun decorating it but now what?.. You cant even use any storage in it. We were going to sit in our hot tub the other day just for fun and we had to go back to our inn room for our swim suits in the Armoire. Make the garden sharable and the mender etc. Make the stove usable.. Housing could be so cool but no one is ever there and why not?




Edited, Dec 31st 2014 10:08am by Nashred

Edited, Dec 31st 2014 10:27am by Nashred