FFXIV servers are currently experiencing DDoS attacksFollow

This started yesterday:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/786a03c7c8f459dab1e027be85679dca0f015fdd

You're too kind.

I hope they find who's doing this and haul their asses to court and do some good hefty legal damage to their lives.

Maybe basement script kiddies might be a little more afraid to do this crap if they are taught a lesson that if they get caught, it can and will ruin their lives because companies like SE are starting to get tired of their sh*t.

So here's hoping he's caught, found, and punished handily for it. We need more of that to send a message to stop that sh*t because it is getting old (and expensive). For every $ in manpower and resources SE (or Blizz, or whoever) has to spend in dealing with these attacks, is less $ they can use to develop our game and make it better, not to mention the wasted time that we can't even play our game.

DDoS needs to stop, and they need to start cracking down on it to send a clear message that it isn't a laughing matter and it won't be tolerated.

These "botnet" servers (if they do indeed exist) need to be shut down if they are being used for illegal activities and those renting them need to be found and punished too.

Edited, Nov 20th 2014 7:28am by Lyrailis

I was under the impression the game is already blocked in Korea (and China)? They are also getting their own version of the game.

Honestly I am not sure this is just a DDoS attack.. Why again only certain people have had issues, Sunday nights issue was a overload on level 3 and SE servers we know that. People posted screen shots of the data where the packet loss was.

But the last few days again it does not affect everyone. DDos attack would overwhelm the servers and such causing issues for everyone. Tesee has been playing allot because she is going home for thanksgiving for the week and wanted to cap tomes and get allot of stuff done since she is missing over a week of game play. She has had no issues. Yesterday when the worst hit she had no issues logging on or playing.. Here is the funny thing normally we have had the issues at night, tons of people were complaining of lag last night on our server and we were fine.. If it were DDoS it would be everyone. Also I guess the issue said resolved but people were having more issues than ever last night. Ok so no more DDoS but more people than ever lagging again?

I am guessing SE also rents a rack of servers or space for their servers in some data center some where. I doubt they have their own data center because it would be way expensive.. That data center would be responsible for stopping the attack and protecting their customers.

Something is going on that is for sure but I am not sure SE knows exactly what it is.. I think the data center or the network they are on is to blame for some of it..
They may be trying to fix the problem that allot of us are having and created new issues for other people... It makes no sense we are fine since Sunday and now everyone else is lagging around.. It could be SE is working on getting its customers routed around level 3 but hit a even weaker point. They have been asking those with issues too send logs to them so they can track down the issues..

Edited, Nov 20th 2014 10:47am by Nashred

Edited, Nov 20th 2014 11:00am by Nashred

The thing about distributed DoS is that it's not reliant on a single server, so it's not as simple as shutting one or more servers. And if a compromised server is being used as part of the attacks, it's not a simple matter of shutting them down because they likely provide meaningful service in some way.

Other companies (specifically MMOs, including WoW) have been hit the past few days..it's an obvious pattern along with SE themselves stating it's a DDoS attack (they monitor the traffic, they would know this information lol.)

Sunday Level3 did have issues and has been an issue for FFXIV with some people for a long time, HOWEVER, we do know the past few days it was the DDoS attacks because Japanese servers weren't affected at all, only NA/EU were brought down, along with other NA/EU based MMO servers. I get what you're trying to say but the evidence is there. We already know there's routing issues, however, the entire NA/EU datacenter(s) were brought down monday and tuesday for example. Wednesday it was much better but still routing issues (the weather IS pretty bad heading towards the DC.) So yesterday could have been a typical routing issue.



http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/37fec24c498bce9dd97a2c807ec98757b05b88f3

"The entire thing was brought down" is not a technical description of how a server or network behaves when it's under a DDoS attack. Servers treat established connections differently than incoming connections that are trying to establish themselves. From a player perspective, that means there's potentially a difference in impact when comparing a player that is already logged in to a player that is trying to log in. Or a player entering an instanced dungeon. Or perhaps even changing zones (if that requires connecting to a different server).

On Sunday night, I was able to log in, check my retainers, and sit around Ul'dah not doing anything in particular with no problems at all. It wasn't until I entered Tam-Tara that I started to lag out. And I found that I was unable to log in after that point.

Heavy server load doesn't affect everyone in the same exact way.

I tried to ignore my own recommendation and logged in on XIV regardless...

It was beyond unplayable. By the time i got into a dungeon (after getting thrown out of the queue a few times by disconnecting), i kept getting thrown out mid-dungeon too...

Shame, guess i really need to play those single player games...

It is pretty easy to claim you are an expert at your field...

Something else entirely to actually prove it. You claim you've worked in IT, and even owned part of "a isp"... yeah, I'm sure every gamer has done that, right? And of course anybody could own part of an ISP -- it is called stocks and the stock exchange. Why yes, for a few dollars, I could buy a single share in any of the ISPs out there and claim I own "part of an ISP"... does that mean I'm an expert on DDoS attacks? Of course not. But I could still claim ownership of "part of an ISP" and be telling the truth.

You've run gaming servers... you know what, I've done that too. I hosted a Terraria server a few times. Still a "gaming server". It is a server for a video game. Does that mean I know how to run an MMORPG and are familiar with huge datacenters and servers? Of course not. But I could claim that I have ran a "gaming server" and be technically telling the truth.

Installing DSL? Nearly anybody who has DSL technically "installed" said DSL -- you plug the modem in, plug your phone line into it, and plug a router (if you have one) into it. But does that mean you know how DSLAMs work, and such? Probably not.

Point is... you can say a lot of things. Doesn't mean they are true, and it doesn't mean you have expert knowledge of the field you claim to, especially when there's a company that is telling us what happened.

So, if you're trying to say it wasn't DDoS, or DDoS wasn't the entire issue.. then you are basically accusing SE of lying. Why would they lie? If they had other issues, they would just say so. There've been times that there were non-DDoS issues and they told us upfront. Why would they do any different here?

And lastly... if you believe there are other issues other than DDoS at work here, why don't you tap into your "expert" knowledge and enlighten us (and provide proof while you're at it...) without spouting hearsay?

Point is:

Numerous companies that run MMOs reported DDoS attacks the past 3 or so days.
You said it's something else.
SE reported DDoS attacks that basically brought the game down as no one could properly login or stay connected on the NA/EU servers to some extent, be it in the "real world" or an Instance.
You claimed you and your friend somehow managed to avoid the server explosion that people basically flooded the tech support forum on OF.
Everyone knows the route in between you and SE is screwed, e.g Level3.net, however SE stated that wasn't the case for the past few days.
You then claimed to be an expert.

I don't think it's so much someone "discrediting" you, it's more alon the lines you're ignoring that numerous companies have already admitted they're currently under attack which, as you know or should know, DDoS is, in short, "gtfo you ain't playing/using this service."

Been thinking about this statement.. The only person here calling anyone a liar is you...

You accuse me of lying about what I do for a living.. My profession is pretty well known I have posted about it lots of times,. most people who have read my posts know that most likely I am not lying..

You accuse me of calling SE a lair when all I said is there is more going on than A DDoS attack Which is also well known and SE even knows it. SE has a form to fill out if you have issues to help them track the problem down, For pc users they want you to run a few programs and send them the logs.. They have a thread for those who's isps are throttling their internet to fill out.. So it is obvious even SE knows more is happening.. So how am I the liar and how am i accusing SE of anything and why would I and what purpose?

I think you just like to jump on people..

I am trying to have a intelligent conversion about the issue and if you like it go to another thread and post. I would like to solve the issues Tes and I have had for several months now and if you dont like it to bad.

Edited, Nov 21st 2014 9:32am by Nashred

I've had some very minor lag, the split second kind that means you get hit by an AOE that your screen indicates you just barely dodged, but the game was otherwise stable for me. I was able to play last night without any noticeable difficulties.

Game was stable for me yesterday when I got off work, but mass DCs were back when I logged in for coil at 10 p.m. PST.