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So how is Rogue/Ninja?Follow
My rogue is still only level 23 because dungeon queue times are abysmal and grinding FATEs/leves for hours is boring.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1053318/
Well, when 60% of the player base is playing rogue / nin .... yeah. Also, i pulled that percentage right out of my but lol.
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Probably not far off, lol. It's funny fighting FATE bosses and seeing 20 stacks of Mutilate on him 
Still really interesting in trying Ninja. It sounds awesome. Making it my goal to unlock it today.
Edited, Nov 7th 2014 8:28am by BrokenFox
Still really interesting in trying Ninja. It sounds awesome. Making it my goal to unlock it today.
Edited, Nov 7th 2014 8:28am by BrokenFox
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1053318/
Catwho wrote:
At least BLM has some good native "oh shi-" abilities to prevent getting killed of they pull hate (Manaward and Manawall.) I think the only ones that NIN gets are from cross classed abilities.
Perfect Dodge and Featherfoot are useful, but that innate faster running ability allows you to pretty much kite anything. You can also use jugulate with the wasp poison active in order to stun. That also helps.
The biggest problem I've seen with ROG/NIN that I rarely see with any other class is they stand in the stupid. It's like they think they're too cool to dodge.
But a good one rocks and really does look cool.
But a good one rocks and really does look cool.
Well, they could be using Perfect Dodge. Not there aren't a bunch of dumbasses that don't know how to get out of the way...
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BrokenFox wrote:
Well, they could be using Perfect Dodge. Not there aren't a bunch of dumbasses that don't know how to get out of the way...
Their damage taken rate says they're not using Perfect Dodge. They're standing there and taking the AoEs in the face. It just seems like some of the people who dodge just fine on other classes forget to do so on this one, and I really don't know why that might be.
Laverda wrote:
The biggest problem I've seen with ROG/NIN that I rarely see with any other class is they stand in the stupid. It's like they think they're too cool to dodge.
Perhaps the problem is that most of the stupid has been concentrated into one new job, whereas before this patch, it was more evenly distributed among multiple jobs.
svlyons wrote:
Laverda wrote:
The biggest problem I've seen with ROG/NIN that I rarely see with any other class is they stand in the stupid. It's like they think they're too cool to dodge.
Perhaps the problem is that most of the stupid has been concentrated into one new job, whereas before this patch, it was more evenly distributed among multiple jobs.
And by multiple you mean mostly concentrated into DRG :p
Valkayree wrote:
Catwho wrote:
At least BLM has some good native "oh shi-" abilities to prevent getting killed of they pull hate (Manaward and Manawall.) I think the only ones that NIN gets are from cross classed abilities.
Perfect Dodge and Featherfoot are useful, but that innate faster running ability allows you to pretty much kite anything. You can also use jugulate with the wasp poison active in order to stun. That also helps.
Stuns don't work on most bosses though. It's generally better to use Viper so you can Silence, IMO.
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Teneleven wrote:
KojiroSoma wrote:
Out of all the jobs i took to 50 (read: ALL), Ninja is by far the fastest, easiest and quickest to do so in. Overwhelming power and pretty much no flaws. Where you guys are getting the whole "They take damage even more badly than a BLM" thing from is beyond me.
I think we decided on laziness / poor play. It reminds me of XI back in the day when people saw how easy RDM got a party. Suddenly there were thousands of RDM's running around. Not all of them were good at it .
...or it could be that NIN has no useful defensive abilities whatsoever (Perfect Dodge doesn't count, it's good for a single hit every couple minutes, that's hardly useful). It can borrow a couple of the underpowered versions from MNK and DRG, but doesn't have any of it's own. Dodging only works on AoE and special abilities, if you take hate, you're getting your face handed to you simply because you have no real way to avoid it.
Edited, Nov 9th 2014 2:12pm by Turin
I just want to hurry up and unlock NIN. I'm level 20 and leves are slow going. Thread gives me something to look forward to.
I had a ST run this weekend.. OMG it is the only one we have not finished, did not make it past the first boss.. Ninjas laying everywhere.. I think I counted 10 ninjas...
Are they that bad of players? Really get out of a aoe! They started blaming the healers? Really 3 parties in ST and first down in all parties are the ninjas.. Really its a healers fault you got hit by Ancient Flare. No one killing adds..
Either Ninja is a horrible job or like what was had all the stupid went to play ninja..
Is it laziness of being used to being over geared?
Are they that bad of players? Really get out of a aoe! They started blaming the healers? Really 3 parties in ST and first down in all parties are the ninjas.. Really its a healers fault you got hit by Ancient Flare. No one killing adds..
Either Ninja is a horrible job or like what was had all the stupid went to play ninja..
Is it laziness of being used to being over geared?
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Most DRGs went NIN so that can count for some of it, but yes most NIN are horrendous players.
I think it is this also: Many of the NIN players are people who quit for six months and resubbed for patch 2.4. So while the rest of us have kept in practice by playing continuously, they've gotten rusty. Rusty + new job without fully understood mechanics + players who are unfamiliar with the latest content since they quit a while ago = current state of ninja.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
Catwho wrote:
I think it is this also: Many of the NIN players are people who quit for six months and resubbed for patch 2.4. So while the rest of us have kept in practice by playing continuously, they've gotten rusty. Rusty + new job without fully understood mechanics + players who are unfamiliar with the latest content since they quit a while ago = current state of ninja.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
Yea I was going to post the same thing.. Probably those that just come back for the new content and then leave for something else..
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 11:06am by Nashred
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Catwho wrote:
I think it is this also: Many of the NIN players are people who quit for six months and resubbed for patch 2.4. So while the rest of us have kept in practice by playing continuously, they've gotten rusty. Rusty + new job without fully understood mechanics + players who are unfamiliar with the latest content since they quit a while ago = current state of ninja.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
Ha, no offense to all you loyal players, but I returned, jumped right into Levi EX only to grumble about how bad everyone still is at dodging.
Nothing's changed from 2 months ago when I stopped playing. Nothing is new about players standing in overly-telegraphed moves. Of all the games I play, FFXIV just has the worst players. The fact that you still can't DF a Titan EX without both healers falling off, and players are simply too-assed to avoid using stun moves (drgs...) when there's a stun rotation and effing up the resistances....
You see bad returning players, I see the same players that have been here since Titan HM.
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 11:08am by Louiscool
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Louiscool wrote:
Nothing's changed from 2 months ago when I stopped playing. Nothing is new about players standing in overly-telegraphed moves. Of all the games I play, FFXIV just has the worst players. The fact that you still can't DF a Titan EX without both healers falling off, and players are simply too-assed to avoid using stun moves (drgs...) when there's a stun rotation and effing up the resistances....
Practice and better gear can't fix lag. Titan EX is just horribly designed. It says a lot about the fight when SE chose to simply remove it as requirement for advancement rather than tweak the fight itself.
Louiscool wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I think it is this also: Many of the NIN players are people who quit for six months and resubbed for patch 2.4. So while the rest of us have kept in practice by playing continuously, they've gotten rusty. Rusty + new job without fully understood mechanics + players who are unfamiliar with the latest content since they quit a while ago = current state of ninja.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
Ha, no offense to all you loyal players, but I returned, jumped right into Levi EX only to grumble about how bad everyone still is at dodging.
Nothing's changed from 2 months ago when I stopped playing. Nothing is new about players standing in overly-telegraphed moves. Of all the games I play, FFXIV just has the worst players. The fact that you still can't DF a Titan EX without both healers falling off, and players are simply too-assed to avoid using stun moves (drgs...) when there's a stun rotation and effing up the resistances....
You see bad returning players, I see the same players that have been here since Titan HM.
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 11:08am by Louiscool
Well allot of the good players are threw most of the content and dont come back so you run into what you are seeing..
This game is breeding bad players.. Basically a new player learns nothing because he or she is carried through everything..
Example is this weekend I ran into new players/first timers in Garuda HM and Titan HM.. They did not learn the fight and carried through.. First aoe they are laying on the ground, someone raises them and down they go again finally they lay there till the end,. Well what did they learn getting carried through titan HM.. nothing.. Right now it is hard to get a group that wants to learn the fight. Well then they hit titan ex and there are no carries..
Not only that in Tatan hm or garuda hm 1/2 the people dont dodge anymore because their ilevel is so high the aoe's cant kill them anymore.
Something with turn 5 yet, They made turn 1 through 4 way to easy ...
Dodging aoe's to me has little to do with skill though.. So many cant because of lag.. I experienced it bad on titan HM for a long time. I figured out what was causing the lag and fixed it and had it good for a while and now with ATT starting to have issues like Verizon customers do with FFXIV. Now during periods I cant do anything..
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 12:21pm by Nashred
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 12:26pm by Nashred
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svlyons wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Nothing's changed from 2 months ago when I stopped playing. Nothing is new about players standing in overly-telegraphed moves. Of all the games I play, FFXIV just has the worst players. The fact that you still can't DF a Titan EX without both healers falling off, and players are simply too-assed to avoid using stun moves (drgs...) when there's a stun rotation and effing up the resistances....
Practice and better gear can't fix lag. Titan EX is just horribly designed. It says a lot about the fight when SE chose to simply remove it as requirement for advancement rather than tweak the fight itself.
And yet, my FC and I still seem to be the only ones in FFXIV that has no issue with Titan Ex..even clear it in 10 minutes..(yes it can be cleared faster) Seriously though, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Titan Ex, some people just flatout suck at dodging or memorizing a script. It's perfectly ok to admit lol.
I even watch the people I try to help with Titan Ex, or Levi ex or even ramuh ex..people blame lag every single time I watch them run INTO **** rather than OUT of it..maybe it's a new kind of lag I haven't experienced in my gaming (both designing and playing) but..normally lag will make you not be able to move out of stuff, not dodge into stuff.
Nashred wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I think it is this also: Many of the NIN players are people who quit for six months and resubbed for patch 2.4. So while the rest of us have kept in practice by playing continuously, they've gotten rusty. Rusty + new job without fully understood mechanics + players who are unfamiliar with the latest content since they quit a while ago = current state of ninja.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
It'll get better once they all unsub again next month.
Ha, no offense to all you loyal players, but I returned, jumped right into Levi EX only to grumble about how bad everyone still is at dodging.
Nothing's changed from 2 months ago when I stopped playing. Nothing is new about players standing in overly-telegraphed moves. Of all the games I play, FFXIV just has the worst players. The fact that you still can't DF a Titan EX without both healers falling off, and players are simply too-assed to avoid using stun moves (drgs...) when there's a stun rotation and effing up the resistances....
You see bad returning players, I see the same players that have been here since Titan HM.
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 11:08am by Louiscool
Well allot of the good players are threw most of the content and dont come back so you run into what you are seeing..
This game is breeding bad players.. Basically a new player learns nothing because he or she is carried through everything..
I'm not a new player. Up to the time I stopped playing, I was clearing content as it was released, got a relic in the second week, etc. These "good" players were just as bad. Every single time someone died, it was lag.
Yet somehow, magically, I am always, without fail, the last person standing on that column, or on that boat.
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Dodging aoe's to me has little to do with skill though.. So many cant because of lag.. I experienced it bad on titan HM for a long time. I figured out what was causing the lag and fixed it and had it good for a while and now with ATT starting to have issues like Verizon customers do with FFXIV. Now during periods I cant do anything..
Lag doesn't cause you to make bad decisions. I've had lag happen to me before and didn't die. You know why? Because every fight is rinse and repeat predictable. If you know the pattern, you are moving before you get targeted.
And how does this explain every other primal EX, or even ST runs and coil where people see a giant orange flashing box and decide not to move?
No, I'm sorry.. Lag could be effecting you, it's not effecting every single person to fall off ever
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 1:17pm by Louiscool
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I am sure there are a lot of good and bad players, but considering the only way to level NIN if you are not doing it with friends is basically doing FATE grinds it is not surprising many are horrible. Regardless of if you think it is fun or not to grind FATEs it does not exactly facilitate player skill. Sure some will probably quit like catwho said, but many of them will probably just learn how to play the class in a setting where you can't just faceroll and do just as well as anyone actually trying.
Louiscool wrote:
[quote=Nashred][quote=Louiscool][quote=Catwho] every fight is rinse and repeat predictable. If you know the pattern, you are moving before you get targeted.
And how does this explain every other primal EX, or even ST runs and coil where people see a giant orange flashing box and decide not to move?
No, I'm sorry.. Lag could be effecting you, it's not effecting every single person to fall off ever
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 1:17pm by Louiscool
And how does this explain every other primal EX, or even ST runs and coil where people see a giant orange flashing box and decide not to move?
No, I'm sorry.. Lag could be effecting you, it's not effecting every single person to fall off ever
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 1:17pm by Louiscool
I think you are way way over exaggerating a little....
Also those who dont or haven't experienced lag have no idea what its like.. I have been on both sides in this game lag and lag free...
You cant just learn a scripted fight with lag.. Maybe with slight lag,,, I have had lag so bad you actually move into landslides. Lately I dont know what is causing it but I get hit with lag spikes where I cant craft or even teleport.. Its like getting stunned. I have beat titan HM so many times but when lag hits sometimes there is no way...
This lag has only started the last month or so and hits almost the same time for a few hours.. Its weird because it is not a constant lag, it is intermittent for several hours each night..
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 2:48pm by Nashred
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Theonehio wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Nothing's changed from 2 months ago when I stopped playing. Nothing is new about players standing in overly-telegraphed moves. Of all the games I play, FFXIV just has the worst players. The fact that you still can't DF a Titan EX without both healers falling off, and players are simply too-assed to avoid using stun moves (drgs...) when there's a stun rotation and effing up the resistances....
Practice and better gear can't fix lag. Titan EX is just horribly designed. It says a lot about the fight when SE chose to simply remove it as requirement for advancement rather than tweak the fight itself.
And yet, my FC and I still seem to be the only ones in FFXIV that has no issue with Titan Ex..even clear it in 10 minutes..(yes it can be cleared faster) Seriously though, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Titan Ex, some people just flatout suck at dodging or memorizing a script. It's perfectly ok to admit lol.
Have you personally never experienced any significant amount of lag in Titan EX ever? If so, then congratulations on being lucky enough to never, ever run into an issue over which you have no control.
Nashred wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
[quote=Nashred][quote=Louiscool][quote=Catwho] every fight is rinse and repeat predictable. If you know the pattern, you are moving before you get targeted.
And how does this explain every other primal EX, or even ST runs and coil where people see a giant orange flashing box and decide not to move?
No, I'm sorry.. Lag could be effecting you, it's not effecting every single person to fall off ever
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 1:17pm by Louiscool
And how does this explain every other primal EX, or even ST runs and coil where people see a giant orange flashing box and decide not to move?
No, I'm sorry.. Lag could be effecting you, it's not effecting every single person to fall off ever
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 1:17pm by Louiscool
I think you are way way over exaggerating a little....
Also those who dont or haven't experienced lag have no idea what its like.. I have been on both sides in this game lag and lag free...
You cant just learn a scripted fight with lag.. Maybe with slight lag,,, I have had lag so bad you actually move into landslides. Lately I dont know what is causing it but I get hit with lag spikes where I cant craft or even teleport.. Its like getting stunned. I have beat titan HM so many times but when lag hits sometimes there is no way...
This lag has only started the last month or so and hits almost the same time for a few hours.. Its weird because it is not a constant lag, it is intermittent for several hours each night..
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 2:48pm by Nashred
Well that's a real bummer, I can imagine. But I'm barely exaggerating that every person who falls off titan says it was lag. 90% of people do blame lag and it can't be possible...
My question is, why are you playing online games in that state? How can you do anything if the connection is that bad? I understand the heart wants what the heart wants, but if you are aware of your own bad connection, why force 7 other people to waste 90 minutes of their life trying to complete a task?
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 2:58pm by Louiscool
Edited, Nov 10th 2014 2:59pm by Louiscool
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