Do you thin Nexus is the nmost laziest relic update yet?Follow

"DERR I NEVER DUN DID ALL DIS STUFF IN DE PAST SO I MEAN IT WOULD TAEK LIEK NO TIEM AT ALL RIGHT!??!!?"

You're talking about mostly old crap that no one cared about (and in cast of mini-expansions no one ever did), a storyline mission you slacked on finishing (or quit before it was out), crafting (DERPHERPADERP), and acting as if gearing every single job is expected and required and a completely rational thing to do.

Stop being purposely obtuse.


Edited, Oct 13th 2014 5:11pm by Viertel

Edit: KNEW that was going to double post.

Edited, Oct 13th 2014 5:30pm by Catwho

all those jobs were geared at one point, also i LIKE doin story stuff so even if i didnt HAVE to do it id still WANT to., who said anything about crafting? (i figured synergy was needed for empyreal weapons), and i like to do ALL content at least once just to say i did it.. so that would be why id do delve and those other things no one does

Well, to be fair, some of the stuff is gated behind old story content.

For example, Reforged Artifact is gated behind the lion's share of Promathia missions. I should know, family member doesn't have hers done yet (the Reforged AF NPC will not talk to her at all and wiki claims Limbus access is required) and we're currently on Sacrarium and I look at the looooooooooooooooooooooong list of crap to do to get to "Path of the Warrior" and I'm like "uuuugh, someone shoot me".

We're not doing this stuff because the rewards are awesome (well, ok, if you toss in the Reforged AF as being 'rewards' for doing Promathia), we're doing it only because we're forced to.

Edited, Oct 14th 2014 12:11am by Lyrailis

The NPC who does Reforged Artifact is completely separate from the NPC who does AF+1/Relic+1.

There's absolutely zero reason SE was forced to make it so that Monisette refuses to speak to you if you haven't been recognized by Sagheera. Seeing that it is possible to upgrade Artifact without ever touching Limbus whatsoever, there was no reason to make this a requirement.

For those who have "done the content", the bonus lies within being able to use 5 Rem's Tale pages instead of 10. That's a fairly large bonus for having done the content. They didn't need to make it a requirement that every new player spend ~20 hours trying to get Sea access just to use Monisette's services when nothing is even needed from Sea to utilize her services.

And before you call BS on "20 hours", here are some facts:

Just today, I spent eleven and a half hours getting from Sacrarium to 8-1 (Sea). The previous session, I spent ~10 hours trying to get from 3 Promyvions done to Sacrarium, going as fast as I can, using all the Homepoint Warps, constant use of Warp Rings, and/or the occasional scroll of warp when I knew the ring would be down, using WHM for the few times a Teleport is useful, and having a Lv99 job to burn all the boss fights down.

Add the 3 Promyvions on top of that and you're probably looking at ~22h for a player who has a WHM on 99 with all the Teleport Scrolls who is already familiar with the areas in question. Maybe ~24h for somebody who is not a WHM and/or is not familiar with the areas.

All of that.......... just to upgrade Artifact, when that restriction really wasn't necessary in the first place.

I see it as SE trying to shoehorn people into doing the story content, even if they didn't want to in the first place and it seems to me FFXIV is going to turn into the very same way, because everything new they add to the game requires clears of all the previous content. In fact, FFXIV looks like it is going to be worse in that aspect, because FFXI has separate branches (For example, Rise of the Zilart is not required to get Sea access). FFXIV looks pretty linear, with them tacking on new content ontop of layers of old content that one must do.

They're eventually going to run into annoyed players who are tired of doing things like Titan HM (or, heck, Ultima Weapon) months, years down the line unless they give us ways to skip it.

Edited, Oct 14th 2014 8:08pm by Lyrailis

I wanted to see the pretty goldfish.

There is no reason to level all jobs and fully merit them unless you intend on playing them all. If that is your intent then you should accept that it's going to take you some time. Just FYI, if you're smart about how you approached it you could gear several jobs for entry level endgame events around the same time you finish meriting the first. If you went all the way through all jobs, you'd probably have earned enough sparks that you'd be able to upgrade a few JSE sets of your choice.

I know you're trying to make it seem like a lot to do, and honestly it is... but you aren't making your point like that. No one who thinks they need every job capped has the expectation that it will be something that's going to come easy. If they do, they deserved the disappointment. Loads of things are now uncapped, you can use trusts for support so you can 'solo' things you previously needed a group for and the 'please wait until server reset or JP midnight' has gone the way of the dodo in nearly all cases.

I still appreciate XI for what it was years ago. I spent a lot of time in Vana'diel and made a lot of friends and memories. However, I am able to set aside my nostalgia goggles and appreciate it for what it's become recently. I'm not exaggerating when I say that they have improved and added to the game all year long. Literally every month this year has seen an update that brings new content(Adoulin related), updates or adjustments to old content(Shadowlord, AA, mithran trackers ect.), fixes or improvements to old mechanics(single command gearswaps, homepoint teleports, ect.) or some combination of all of those.

Yeah if you've flagged all of the applicable RoE quests than it's not uncommon to cap sparks in an abyssea group going from 75-99 and full merits, especially if you happen to get the timed event to sync up with your target.

The 50k cap on sparks would allow him to get a full set of body armor for whatever job he wanted(17k), a ring and earring accessory for that job(20k) AND a level 99 weapon(7-10k) with sparks to spare.

One of the sets of gear you can purchase with sparks gives a bonus to magic and combat skillups so that's not nearly the pain in the *** that it was. If that wasn't enough, there's also skillup food. They now have kits you can purchase from the guild vendor and all you need is a crystal. They also have events where you get a bonus to crafting skillups. Seriously, nearly everything in this game that used to be a colossal pain in the *** has been eased to be in line with most of today's 'couple hours a day, a couple times a week' crowd.

You can be as casual or as hardcore as you want to be these days. It's not a huge gap to go from entry level to well geared unless you're aiming for mythic, but anyone with those aspirations should be prepared to accept that it doesn't come easy. For those who do have that kind of time to invest, there are still a ton of other things to do so that they don't get burned out.

XI was once one of the most brutal grinds I could imagine but lately(aside from somewhat dated visual effects) it caters to just about anyone I can think of.

Yeah, it took me three months to get through CoP past Ouryu back in 2005 or whenever it was that I did it. We had a static party of six, though.

ToAU took as long as it took SE to release it. We finished the final fight within a week of it coming out, amazingly.

WotG... that took me YEARS. Haha!

I'm behind on Adoulin missions. I should really go through and catch up sometime.

We've been doing Incursions and finishing up some of the Delve boss fights. I finally got my Craggy Fin from the shark last week. Exciting times.

To be fair it's more shocking that people aren't honest about what they think of the game, rather than continually stating there's absolutely nothing wrong with it and it's perfect, even when the damn director/producer of the game admits its current faults and to expect even small overhauls to systems once 3.0 hits.

I think I just find it funny it's only this recent generation of MMORPG gamers do they find someone complaining "wrong" - I bet you continue to utilize things you complain about as well as I bet you've complained about work or school subjects and continued to go to them.

While I'm not going to say that has never happened, no. I had many complaints about FFXIV, and I stopped playing it instead of complaining about it. Only visiting because I do that every patch hoping something got better. Same with work, I've left jobs based on the same criteria. If you aren't happy about something you do, change what you do.

I actually feel the complete opposite about this game. It seems extremely easy to catch up, although if being on par with others is important to you then you do have to properly time when you come back. So far it's looking like FFXIV is on a six month cycle where all of the previous top tier equipment becomes easily farmed within just a week of semi-hardcore play or even just a few days if you've got a lot of time on your hands. That's what happened in 2.2, where you could endlessly farm mythology tomes for i90 pieces or just spam coil a few dozen times to get what it previously took people months to do.

2.4 is around the corner, and they're doing the same tome reset they did with 2.2 (uncapped tomes die out, capped tomes become uncapped, new tomes are introduced) and I'd imagine they're going to be removing the cap on coil so anyone can spam it for i110 (if they haven't mentioned this already, I haven't been keeping up on all the news) so you could likely come back just like you could in 2.2 and complete months of your peers' "progress" in no time at all. If one still didn't feel like coming back by 2.4, they could just wait for the next major patch or expansion. I'm not the biggest fan of this type of progression, but I have to admit that you never have to feel behind when anything not released in the past 6 months is made to be irrelevant.

Actually it's both.

It's pretty stunning they've managed to do that, but they have, and if you think about it you'll agree.

As a fresh 50 now, getting the base relic is not terribly difficult. Gear and tomestones are plentiful to rapidly raise your average item level. So attaining the required levels for HM primals and various required dungeons with the word Amdapor in their name is pretty simple.

As a second 50, it's even easier. I dinged 50 DRG a little while ago and within 13 hours I had my relic zenith. And most of those hours I was asleep.

Now a relic zenith isn't some omgwtfbbq 115 weapon, but it IS an i90 weapon. And that's just fine to start out with while gearing up. With a weapon like that, meeting the ilvl requirements for, say, Syrcus Tower is pretty simple. With Syrcus access, you have access to unidentified alagan tomestones and sands of time. So getting a 110 upgraded soldiery weapon is a perfectly reasonable thing to do while gearing up.

For people who want to keep working on the relic, they can totally do that, and it'll keep getting better, but they don't have to go any further if they don't want to.