The trolls... they are growing in numbersFollow

They need to make it easier to report players for crap.

In WoW, you have a handy Right-Click menu when players are doing bad stuff. You can report inappropriate names (I've seen a few in XIV but the reporting system is just too clunky to actually use), Language, Harassment, or Cheating.

All you gotta do is Right-Click the name and away you go. If you're reporting harassment or cheating, then I believe you have to type out a small paragraph describing the incident. Name and language, you don't have to; it just sends the GM staff the copy of the message with date&timestamp.

It takes like 3 seconds to do and also immediately places the person on your ignore/blacklist.

We need something like that in this game.

The bees thing in Hullbreaker seems to be a bigger deal for some than others. Some tanks never even mention it. Others go so far as to number the mobs and freak out about kill order. If you have a BLM or BRD in your party, they're just so used to AOEing everything down at those levels it's kind of a surprise to remind them to single target the bees. I think people are better at remembering the Harranging mobs in Stone Vigil, HM.

Your server cluster just sucks. I haven't run into any of that at all.

I usually do just roll it off and keep going, but reporting for harassment is there for a reason. My only issue is that I was purposely being harassed, as they kept changing the target mark and were attacking anything but the bee. Same old crap, different day. I'm not tolerating that behavior however, so I left. Reason for this post though is that I've just seen this kind of activity happen more and more often. It used to never be an issue. Now it seems it's a 1/3 change of happening.

And I main a PLD. I know how people operate with mobs, marking them and expecting people to follow kill order for every set is arbitrary, and as a ilvl 105 tank, it's not needed for my safety. But there are situations where certain things need to die first due to certain circumstances, and that's when marking should be used.

I just don't get the behavior, and it seems to be getting more popular.

Is changing a mark you set to a different mark really harassment though?

There was just a post about a player who was hanging out with a friend chatting when all of a sudden, another player came up and started saying some pretty despicable things. I would consider that harassment. Your situation however, wouldn't qualify to me as anything more than a minor annoyance. It's one thing if their refusal to focus a target is causing your group to wipe repeatedly. Then again, that's what vote kick is for.

Basically you asked them to do something that they didn't want to do. It probably should have stopped there. Ideally they'd say "sure lets give it a shot" and you'd be fine. Instead they said "lolz lets chaeng markur" or something to that effect and even without marking you probably would have been fine.

Again, if they're trying to learn or are willing to listen then they would have responded to your first attempt at asking them to focus. The fact that they didn't was your cue to make like a duck. I know it's annoying and I know it's frustrating, but it's something you'd be better off without letting it get to you. As a career tank I can say with confidence that I've seen this behavior quite a bit. It's actually decreased recently but I'd say that is more because I started running content with players I know, rather than randoms or PUGs.

Just the nature of these kind of MMOs. As tank, people who think they can 'troll', I just let die, that usually fixes the situation pretty quickly. "You pull too slow!" Yeah, waiting for people to gather really is a slow process...>.>. As a healer I let trigger happy DPS die if they don't let the tank pull, because quite honestly, nothing says I HAVE to heal you if you chose to be an idiot lol.

As for Class over Job, yeah, you only hinder yourself. I don't care how good you think you are, if this was 1.x, sure you'd have an excuse, but outside of unbalanced PvP? Classes loses quite a bit than it gains. Some Job only skills are actually what defines your role in certain raids. Sure you can go through as a class and get carried no problem, but considering you lose a lot of your main stat, you're not as efficient as you could be. It's been tested from hell and back, class over job has nil benefit in current raiding/end-game content.

Last time I ran Tam-Tara HM (on WHM), the first words out of the tank's mouth were, "Oh, cool! Not a healer bot!"

I have to wonder what kind of experiences he's been having recently.

Theonehio, there's a lot you say I don't agree with but the post above is pretty much the attitude tanks and healers should adopt.

There's an old saying during the baby days of the internet and it still holds true to this day:

I don't heal stupid, because stupid should hurt.

It was a lot easier to spot in the FFXI days, and the game pretty much did all the dirty work. I'd seen this Xp party scenario far too many times than I should have:

1. Mid-battle, Dark Knight says, "Hey guyz, watch all this damage I can do."
2. Dark Knight switches on all buffs at once, pulls hate while self-inflicted HP bleeding is in effect.
3. Mob kills Dark Knight 3 seconds later.
4. Dark Knight blames healer for inevitable death.

But you'd be a bad healer if you tried to save such a dark knight, because it's a losing battle. The healer will have built up so much hate from curing that by the time the dark knight did die, the healer would be next. Then the rest of the party would die, you'd all lose Xp, and if you didn't have reraise, you'd be waiting on a pity raise or doing a half-hour walk-of-shame back to wherever it was you were leveling.

So, yeah, there were definitely clear-cut consequences for playing like an idiot back then, and you were perfectly justified in weeding them out, because you'd also be punished if you didn't.

The absolute core of every reoccurring problem in history. Thank you for adding to the issue by doing nothing. Please also apply this to everything else. Let's just tolerate every assh*le on earth until the earth is nothing but assh*les. What a fantastic solution.

Edited, Oct 6th 2014 7:03pm by Transmigration

Why are you trivializing my issue? It wasn't about changing the marks, it was about WHY they were changing the marks. (There's also more to that, but I can humor you.)

So because another person was harassed at a greater extent, lesser harassment isn't considered harassment? Truth is, if you are deliberately trying to cause grief, it's a grief tactic, and SE can do something about it. It ranges to many things, including changing marks and pulling more mobs than what the tank wanted (you know, trying to wipe the party) and just trying to give others a bad time, even refusing to participate in a duty falls under grief tactics. That also includes those who demand to be vote kicked from a duty (report those immediately.) Harassment is harassment. And as I said in my post (if you read it) it seemed the other three players knew each other, making vote kick a silly suggestion.

As I said, I am not letting these specific examples get to me. I deal with them immediately. I either call them out (usually in CT/ST as I will have more support) or I leave and report. I don't take it any further than that. The purpose of the topic however, is my personal annoyance of how often I am running into these parties, not the actual instances. I know how to handle it, but does no one else here notice this issue slowly rising?

I agree it may be due to boredom and trying to get everything done as fast as possible. I can't wait for 2.4 because hopefully it will die down, but we all know it will just rear it's ugly head back up again.

Edited, Oct 6th 2014 9:40pm by Stilivan

Because it's *marks*; that isn't harassment and it's foolish to even pretend it is. It's a minor annoyance at best but in no way considered harassment in any way, shape, or form of the definition of the word.

I don't know what it is the past two weeks but I've seen it crop up on the OF, Reddit, a few other forums, and now on ZAM this belief that anything not going how you prefer it is harassment. Group's moving faster than you wish? People have said that's harassment. Lost the roll on loot? That's been called harassment.

...and now you're trying to include messing with *marks*?

You what to know what harassment is? Harassment is two PLD tanks, that know each other, running into the first pack of ST, purposely pulling everything on top of the raid until it's breathed/conaled/AoEed to death and spamming in shouts "YOU SHALL PAY FOR YOUR SINS!". Harassment is setting up a Party Finder group, waiting and inviting people to a "Turn 9 learning party" but only looking for people that haven't done any weekly clears yet, going into the instance, and the majority of the group immediately disbanding just so they can be ******** and ruin the weekly lockout -- that is harassment.

Tinkering with little numbers above targets' heads? G. T. F. O.

You should look up the definition of the word if you're going to say something like that. Because in this case, you're wrong.