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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9tci_sIk8I&list=PLB1B619C429E37DBA


I dont care what anyone says sure it may be "slow" but that looks far more strategic, structured and final fantasy/RPG like to be... I mean just look next to the party members name... all that buffing and debuffing gone on... what buffs do we get/use now other than Protect and Stoneskin... its like they stripped the game down to the bare basics so that ANYONE can play it without it requiring a shared of intelligence aside from "get out of the orange square/circle". Which is pretty much what SE said I mean when asked about elemental weaknesses they said they left that out to not make things too complex for people lol Umm how complex is "dont cast fire on the fire monster"? or "if its made of fire shoot it with water?" Thats not complex 6 year olds who play Pokemon have that much sense so if Se made the game to be ease to get into for idiots and its aimed at teens and older then all I can say is thank god for those 6 year old pokemon players, that gives me hope in our Future because clearly our Present is pathetic.

Also before you say elemental damage would be dumb on something like lets say Ifrit because BLMS dont know Water they only have Fire and Ice (which is weak) so then BLMs would be locked out of that content, to which I say I 100% agree however i never claimed limiting a blm to two elemental spells instead of ALL of them which giving white mage (i.e the HEALER) the other two elemental spells that a blm should have was an intelligent idea either.. I mean lets look up the definitions shall me...

white mag·ic
noun
noun: white magic

magic used only for good purposes.


Hmmm i dont think Stoning something to death or cutting it to ribbons with the power of Wind would be considered a good purpose.... healing wounds and resurrecting the dead however? Now that sounds like white magic.


black mag·ic
noun
noun: black magic

magic involving the supposed invocation of evil spirits for evil purposes.
synonyms: sorcery, witchcraft, wizardry, necromancy, the black arts, devilry;


Hmmmm burning things to death, drowning them in a torrent of water, freezing them in a block of ice, cutting them to ribbons with wind, stoning them to death..... yup all that sounds like stuff that would fit the definition of black magic... just saying

The complexity in XIV ARR is different. BLM, when played right, is as much about the right combinations and rotations as any of the melee jobs, despite only have three elements to play with.

Also, if the only buffs you're seeing on party members is Stoneskin and protect, they're doing it wrong. SCH has a whole suite of extra buffs for party members, too, and each class has its own bevy of status boosts.

Two notes.

First off, remind me never to let you scholar. There are a variance of defensive and offensive buffs provided by the pet that are party wide, depending on your confidence your party, the difference in performance between Selene and Eos is important for your party, especially the higher you go.

Second -

This skill/spell library thing is a dead argument. I mean... the argument is as old as 1.19 when they revamped the skill system.

The problem with other FFs, and especially FFXI, is that it came with effectively bloated spell lists of spells that essentially did the same thing. Given the fact that they are trying to design the game based around ease of use with a console controller, as well as simple design efficiency reasons, it was better to adopt the philosophy of having less skills that were useful for far longer in to the class's life cycle, rather than a bloated spell listing with only the top 10% of the list actually being used with any notable frequency.

The other change was the breakdown of the elemental system between Conjurer and Thaumaturge akin to Final Fantasy III. This was due to the lore of the FFXIV universe. Conjurers focused on the elements of creation (Earth, Water, Wind) where Thaumaturges focused on the elements of destruction. (Fire, Thunder, Ice.) In this matter, they had to rethink the function of each element beyond the typical trope of a weakness cycle, which they summarily discarded.

In the end, the system has more depth within the base mechanics, I would argue, than the archaic elemental wheel which becomes fire-and-forget.

Also, the notion that the size of the spell library is the measure of the worth of any of Final Fantasy's Mages is well, missing the point, in my view.

As a Pld, should I sub Warrior, or Sub Wh- Wait, where did my party go?

So you are saying this is a dumbed down game..
But honestly the dodge mechanics do feel like that sometimes.. More memory than actual skill sometimes.
I miss haste...
I do miss some of the spells... I agree some were redundant in that game..
Honestly with he dodge mechanics as healer I could not pull off many more spells because you cant cast them while moving and you are constantly moving.

I dont think I could focus on 5 pages of macros like in FFXI in this game. Be way to hard to look at them all and watch what is going on, especially with a controller.

Edited, Sep 15th 2014 1:08pm by Nashred

You might as well call Berserk a buff because it is a buff.

It's not that XIV doesn't have buffs. It's that it doesn't have classes that focus purely on just buffs. And that's mainly due to the way grouping is designed. Instead of getting abilities and spells that only buff or only debuff, XIV has abilities and spells that add buffs or debuffs as a secondary effect to go with dealing damage or healing HP. BLMs don't cast Slow. They cast an ice spell, that has the additional affect of Slow. That way, a class can fit into one of the 3 primary roles of tank, healer or DPS.


I thought the answer to that question was, "Yes."

That is actually a good argument for spell speed...
I have been holding off on my Novus because DET is now over 600,000 for tier 4... I wanted to cap DET but cant afford it. Maybe spell speed isnt so bad after all...

Lustrate is level 50, so she wouldn't have had it. Though I guess the real question is did she have Aetherflow up at any time? If she didn't, then it sounds a more like a borrowed character. Can't do Sacred Soil without Aetherflow!

A game that has 10 different spells has "more depth" than the game that has 3 different spells that do the job of 10 spells. By the way, out of the 10 spells 6 of them are inferior to the other 4 and thus a waste of mp unless you want to be an inefficient snowflake in which case everyone will reject you.

Meaningful, situational on-the-fly choices = depth. Meaningless check-the-wiki-and-choose-the-correct-spell-out-of-30-spells bloat =/= depth.

Brb singing Scop's Operetta over Victory March. What the hell is Scop's Operetta you ask? A meaningful choice.

Yeah the graphics or something about them is crazy nice.. i dont get how aquare always says ARR is better.. the lighting and depth or idk exactly what it is but its worlds difference from what we have now.

Edit: mainly talking about the cutscenes.. they seem to have more thought in them to me.

Edited, Sep 15th 2014 6:41pm by SaitoMishima

Even when you micro manage the fairies, they'll still cure without you telling them to. It's all the other ones that I prefer to control. Mostly, I keep them tethered to avoid wasting the good JAs at inappropriate times. Why spam a regen just before the tank pulls when you can wait until right afterward and avoid all the nasty hate issues?

I discovered you can just grab their actions from the menu like they were cross class and drop them in the regular macro bar. I slapped in Eos' regen where I had my WHM Medica II.

And okay, good point about lustrate, but no Succor? And she had on Cleric's Stance for a good chunk of one boss fight even when I asked her three times politely to take it off. (Cleric's Stance is great when things are going good and a touch of SCH DPS will make it even better... it's not good when your tank is dying every other pull.)

Edited, Sep 15th 2014 7:55pm by Catwho

Edited, Sep 15th 2014 7:56pm by Catwho

That? Yeah controlling Eos's abilities I agree with, just not micro-managing since they're hard coded to heal if someone's under 85% iirc. That I can easily agree on since her abilities have a time and place, and everything out the gate isn't it.

Selene though? She works better if you just let her fire everything as she wants since she'll automatically rotate each haste buff and interrupt on her own.

actually yes I did I have every job at 30+ with PLD, WHM, MNK and BRD being the 50s.. and yes all that was indeed explained in the CNJ storyline, with the girl who didnt wanna harness the power of the elemental and only wanted to heal etc etc... in which I completely agree with her philosophy so yeah the story does EXPLAIN it that doesnt mean I agree with/like it..


Mass Effct 3s ending was explained too.... how many ppl liked the ending?