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#1 Aug 07 2014 at 10:55 AM Rating: Default
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legitimate cafts? By legitimate, theyre pretty much just joke crafts/something to do for fun, you cant really make money of either of them like you can all the rest.. food isnt as important in this game as in a certain other one where ppl would crucify you for not using food.. and outside the 3% exp bonus (which you n longer need at level 50) i dont see the point... then theres fishing which can be used for cooking.. which in turn is... well I already stated what Id state about cooking.

I know Yoshi said fishing would mainly be fun because of RMT etc etc.. but that was then surely theres chance that could change later on down the line right?
#2 Aug 07 2014 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
HQ cooks make a killing. They just tend to direct market instead of selling on the boards.

I see nothing wrong with fishing being done for fun. This is a game.
#3 Aug 07 2014 at 11:29 AM Rating: Default
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HQ cooks make a killing. They just tend to direct market instead of selling on the boards.

I see nothing wrong with fishing being done for fun. This is a game.



this is also an MMO every craft/job should have a purpose... otherwise take the whole exp grinding and leveling out of fishing period and just made it a little side/mini game
#4 Aug 07 2014 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Food isn't as important in this game since they learned their lesson from FFXI and capped how much stats food can give you. Sushi was pretty much a staple for any melee because of the crazy amount of accuracy it gave you. mithkabobs if I remember for accuracy capped stuff.

You can beat any fight in ff14 without using food since the impact of food is much smaller compared to it's FFXI counterpart. You don't get any main stat, and what you do get doesn't make much of an impact. However small the boost may be though, it isn't nothing. Definitely use food for second coil since the DPS checks are quite high and you want to make sure you meet them.
#5 Aug 07 2014 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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I can't state how it is now, but when I played, I made a KILLING selling HQ food. In fact, when the economy tanked in December with the housing release, that's pretty much the only thing I could sell consistently... and I'd be making 4-5k profit per synth. Food might not be AS important as that other game you so desperately want this one to be, but it is still very useful, and those not using it for endgame situations are missing out on an easy boost to acc/crit/whatever.
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this is also an MMO every craft/job should have a purpose... otherwise take the whole exp grinding and leveling out of fishing period and just made it a little side/mini game


Every craft does have a purpose. You can still make a lot of money selling fish here, or you can use it as a relaxing pastime. Are all crafts created equal? No. But they weren't in XI either.

Edited, Aug 7th 2014 1:58pm by BartelX
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#6 Aug 07 2014 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I want to see a giant cat boss where the main mechanic is you have to throw fish at it, distracting it long enough for you to burn it down or interrupt its giant swipe AOE.
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#7 Aug 08 2014 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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BartelX wrote:
I can't state how it is now, but when I played, I made a KILLING selling HQ food. In fact, when the economy tanked in December with the housing release, that's pretty much the only thing I could sell consistently... and I'd be making 4-5k profit per synth. Food might not be AS important as that other game you so desperately want this one to be, but it is still very useful, and those not using it for endgame situations are missing out on an easy boost to acc/crit/whatever.
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this is also an MMO every craft/job should have a purpose... otherwise take the whole exp grinding and leveling out of fishing period and just made it a little side/mini game


Every craft does have a purpose. You can still make a lot of money selling fish here, or you can use it as a relaxing pastime. Are all crafts created equal? No. But they weren't in XI either.

Edited, Aug 7th 2014 1:58pm by BartelX




While I agree they werent in XI either as I was a lvl 100 alchemist and it was not the best gil making craft in game when other crafts could make Hauby +1s or SH +1s that costs millions or the cursed gear needed for abjurations.. I felt alchemy was worthless compared to those however it did have SOME purpose.. i.e if you wanted an Ohat it was the only class that could craft clusters.... they could make some of the less expensive abj and last but not least.. by the time CoP came out.. I was glad I could make all those hi pots hi ethers and icarus wings cause we drunk those like water for each fight... at least having 10 of each (minus i wing in which was only one) so at the end of the day something came up (an expansion) where alchemy finally did serve a purpose
#8 Aug 08 2014 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
Traditionally I've been our group's cook going clear back to FFXI, and most of my gil here comes from my Culinarian. I don't know how the market is on your server, but if I really want to I can make a half a million gil in a day from CUL alone. On the market board. It would be a really boring eight to ten hours running my crafting macros and slapping undercutters, grant you.

Hell my cook paid for half of our FC house. A maxxed out CUL basically prints money.

FSH needs some work. Which by extension means that other crafts need more recipes that involve fish. I mean look what fish are actually used at endgame: Silver Sharks, Northern Pike, Giant Catfish, Fullmoon Sardines, Razor Clams, and Rothlyt Oysters.

Out of all those hojillions of fish you can catch? Six are actually used for anything past the "levelling up" phases. The rest are desynth bait. I'd love for that to change.
#9 Aug 09 2014 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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500k gil in 8 hours when you want lets say for exmple 60mil worth of mastercraft demi materia doesnt sound all that promising. i mean 500k gil wouldnt guarantee you 1 il75 blue crafting tool a day
#10 Aug 09 2014 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
I mean actually have that half million in my pocket everyday.

A high level Goldsmith with mats on hand could probably synth up 5-10 million gil worth of stuff in 8 hours of hard work. But he won't sell it all and have the gil in hand in those 8 hours. He will list it and fight undercutters, possibly for weeks, before he moves every piece. Food sells almost as fast as you can make it, depending on time of day. List 4 stacks of 10 HQ Buttons in a Blanket for 3,998 when the others are 4k, during primetime? One stack is usually sold by the time I finish the next batch of ten. I'll list 75-100k worth of food at a time, then go gathering on BTN. Every 10-15 minutes, "The Blahblah you listed has sold for $$$ gil" pops up.

Time is money.
#11 Aug 09 2014 at 6:40 PM Rating: Default
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btw since we're having a crafting discussion maybe you can answer these questions for me:

when someones shouting for a "master crafter" to qualify are they execting you to have the new blue tool plus artisan specs the recipes and the right melds or is the recipes, artisan specs, the right melds and the new green weapon enough?

also are they expecting 3 star HQ or is just being able to craft it enough? i mean just filling the progress bar is a simple task for ANYONE you dont need good gear or skill to accomplish that so in that case everyone is a master crafter, on the same token however expecting hq is unfair since last i heard NO ONE has a 3 star 100% hq rotation
#12DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Aug 10 2014 at 10:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) soooooo?
#13 Aug 10 2014 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
I don't think there IS an answer to that question. You have to ask the person doing the shouting what they mean.

I consider myself a master goldsmith, but I don't have the full gear set for three star recipes without food. I do have a rotation that'll let me HQ anything I can make, most of the time.,
#14 Aug 10 2014 at 8:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Food isn't as important in this game since they learned their lesson from FFXI and capped how much stats food can give you.


Food is capped in FFXI usually, too.

"Attack +___%, Max _____"

Sole Sushi:

HP+20
Strength +5
Dexterity +6
Accuracy +15% (Cap +76)
RACC +15% (doesn't list a cap, but surely there is one)
Resist Sleep

Now... yeah, the stats are godly, but then Sole Sushi is/was annoying to make back then. You had to grind for the Sushi Making Key Item that I forget the name of... and the Black Sole were (before the fishing change) somewhat hard to get (high level fish).

Oh, and the Wasabi was expensive IIRC.

Edited, Aug 10th 2014 10:02pm by Lyrailis
#15 Aug 11 2014 at 5:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
theyre pretty much just joke crafts

Cooking is no a joke. It's not an exaggeration to say that it's a multi-billion gil industry and that Yakuza gang bosses like to bully and control culinarians to get some deliciously lucrative food gil to fund Lightning haircut cat kidnapping operations.

NPC food will only get you so far, it's only a matter of time until you have to buy something made by a culinarian to stop feeling anaemic in battle. Not eating food at endgame is like walking around without a piece of gear.

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The rest are desynth bait.

You can desynth fish? That's fairly gruesome for Squeenie. I bet, if I pretended to be upset and asked support or sent an email or something, I'd get a reply filled with Squareisms like “We are deeply sorry to hear about that.“.

Edit, not even that, I could send in an email about something completely unrelated, like saying I saw a squirrel get run over, and they'd do the same. SE are fairly kindly jolly people.

Edited, Aug 11th 2014 7:38am by Demoncard
#16 Aug 13 2014 at 9:13 AM Rating: Default
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Hey guys just peeping my head in waiting for Ninja to be added. Been spending my last few months playing another MMO (not naming to protect the innocent) In that MMO, fishing and cooking are both a thing to do and relevant. They are also both easy to cap but since FFXIV takes a few Nods from said MMO, it would be nice if they did the same.
#17 Aug 13 2014 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey guys just peeping my head in waiting for Ninja to be added. Been spending my last few months playing another MMO (not naming to protect the innocent) In that MMO, fishing and cooking are both a thing to do and relevant. They are also both easy to cap but since FFXIV takes a few Nods from said MMO, it would be nice if they did the same.

Fishing and cooking arent the problem, they're fine as they are. The community is the problem here.
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#18 Aug 13 2014 at 10:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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nonameoflevi wrote:
Hey guys just peeping my head in waiting for Ninja to be added. Been spending my last few months playing another MMO (not naming to protect the innocent) In that MMO, fishing and cooking are both a thing to do and relevant. They are also both easy to cap but since FFXIV takes a few Nods from said MMO, it would be nice if they did the same.


Dunno what MMO you're talking about, but usually people say that FFXIV heavily borrowed from WoW.

If you're talking about WoW, food is kinda "lol-worthy". There's... what, again? 6 foods that are actually useful at endgame, and one that is "meh"?

Fishing is only "meh" as far as being "Relevant". Some of those foods require fish, but then there's an NPC that sells you everything to make those foods for seals you get by doing dailies. Once you get enough to make a few stacks of said food, that's all you need for quite some time (the foods last an hour each).

And even then, if you use Banquets, you only need 1 of those per type (so, 3) for the entire raid group. Or you could simply use the Pandaren Banquets that rain like candy. You only need ONE of those for a whole raid group. You get them out of loot bags, you get them from Timeless Isles dropped off the snakes, etc etc etc. I've got 80+ of them sitting in my Guildbank, and I'm a casual player. They are dirt cheap on the AH too.

Fishing is only good to get the Angler's Rep up to get the Raft, once you have the Raft and the Waterstrider Mount, you're done with fishing. You could maybe get Nat's Hat, but why? You don't need fishing skill; you have 100% chance of success while fishing out of schools (which are easy to find).

So I hope you're not talking about WoW..... because what you said is simply not true whatsoever.

EDIT: I forgot about Noodle Carts. Use 3 of each of the "best" foods in the game to make... how many Noodle Carts is it again? 5?. One Noodle Cart allows everybody in the raid to get 5 foods (you're only allowed to carry 5 at a time) that last an hour each. lol. So... what, 15 foods you make to give out 625 foods to your entire raid group.

EDIT2: Even further, I forgot about Nomi! Once you finish his questline, you have an NPC you can summon once per day who gives you... 3 or is it 5? I forget, random top-quality food per day for free, if the Noodle Carts and free Banquets weren't enough for you.

Who needs to fish and cook, again?

Edited, Aug 13th 2014 12:56pm by Lyrailis
#19REDACTED, Posted: Aug 13 2014 at 1:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your whole post just proves my point. If there was nothing to cooking or fishing, you would have nothing to say about it no?
#20 Aug 13 2014 at 8:26 PM Rating: Good
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Psst, you forgot about the BoA ring and the battle pet that goes for 5k


Those Carps? lol, last time I tried selling one of those, it wouldn't sell at all. Yes, yes, wowhead will tell you that they "go for 5k" but what they really mean is that's what they sold for months ago, and they'll just sit there and end up in your mailbox at 5k.

And the BoA Ring, how do you get that again? The Fishing Tournament? lol. I don't even know why they bother keeping that in the game, it is so ridiculously RNG-based that I never bothered to do it. Not like leveling is hard without it... you can get +40% XP gained without the ring, so.... yeah, you level in a couple solid weeks of playing, you're max level.

Or, you know, $60 and instant 90. Pick your poison. Certainly ain't worth spending weeks and weeks and weeks trying for that stupid ring when you'd have hit 90 long before you ever got it if you'd just spent the time questing instead.

Edited, Aug 13th 2014 10:26pm by Lyrailis
#21REDACTED, Posted: Aug 14 2014 at 6:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Firstly, I'm never money centered. And no not the carps, The crab you can only get from fishing, crawdad. Those are currently 5k and it's one of the top rated Battle pets. Again, you're still proving my point. You say you could spend weeks and weeks trying to get something from fishing? AND there is a Fishing Tournament?! Yeah its a thing to do. You can get something other than, Fish! that's relevant. And as far as hitting 90 long before then, you know its very alt friendly so once you burn all the JP on looms you have a new goal.
#22 Aug 15 2014 at 5:17 AM Rating: Good
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Well, here's the thing. I DO like fishing. There don't have to be rewards, there is no need for a gil fountain, and there's certainly no desire to change anything about it. So what if most of the fish you catch are worthless? In real life you throw back what you catch as well, yet you're still having fun doing it and are relaxing.

I strongly feel the people who are now "complaining" about fishing arent even people who fish, they're just actively trying to ruin something other people enjoy. Much like a lot of other "complaints" about things in the game. There's a lot of "I dont like this so it NEEDS to be changed" going on right now, even when the majority is fine with it, or heck, even enjoys something, the vocal minority is always out to ruin things for them.

The sooner people realize that changes ruin the game for more players than it fixes, the sooner we can move on to relevant topics again. Like lalafells being the favorite snack of nearly all (fate/lore) monsters in this game.
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#23 Aug 15 2014 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, here's the thing. I DO like fishing. There don't have to be rewards, there is no need for a gil fountain, and there's certainly no desire to change anything about it. So what if most of the fish you catch are worthless? In real life you throw back what you catch as well, yet you're still having fun doing it and are relaxing.

I strongly feel the people who are now "complaining" about fishing arent even people who fish, they're just actively trying to ruin something other people enjoy. Much like a lot of other "complaints" about things in the game. There's a lot of "I dont like this so it NEEDS to be changed" going on right now, even when the majority is fine with it, or heck, even enjoys something, the vocal minority is always out to ruin things for them.

The sooner people realize that changes ruin the game for more players than it fixes, the sooner we can move on to relevant topics again. Like lalafells being the favorite snack of nearly all (fate/lore) monsters in this game.


actually you DO need a gil fountain when youre trying to do things like get a weapon that requires 11 materias that are goin for like 100-400k EACH on the MB... or how about those mastercraft demimateria you need for crafting tools?
#24 Aug 15 2014 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Fishing in XIV....

I'd rather they give more fish an actual use. It wouldn't "Ruin" fishing, but it'd make it more useful which is what people who say "Fishing needs improvement" want.

The mechanics of the fishing are fine! The complexity of baits and locales are fine!

I like fishing, too.

It just kinda blows when 90% of all fish you catch are either dumped on a vendor, or thrown back in, or used for mooching (but only if they are HQ fish). Oh, and the GC/Levequest Turn-ins too. I suppose there are those.

Fishing might be a fun pasttime, but it is so unreasonable to ask that it be a little more rewarding, as far as time spent vs reward gotten out of it? Especially if Fishing actually costs you to do (even if you use a synthetic bait, you still lose durability on your items while fishing).
#25 Aug 15 2014 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Lyrailis wrote:
Fishing in XIV....

I'd rather they give more fish an actual use. It wouldn't "Ruin" fishing, but it'd make it more useful which is what people who say "Fishing needs improvement" want.

The mechanics of the fishing are fine! The complexity of baits and locales are fine!

I like fishing, too.

It just kinda blows when 90% of all fish you catch are either dumped on a vendor, or thrown back in, or used for mooching (but only if they are HQ fish). Oh, and the GC/Levequest Turn-ins too. I suppose there are those.

Fishing might be a fun pasttime, but it is so unreasonable to ask that it be a little more rewarding, as far as time spent vs reward gotten out of it? Especially if Fishing actually costs you to do (even if you use a synthetic bait, you still lose durability on your items while fishing).



I like your post and agree.. Fishing is 100 percent fun and the mechanics are fine.. Rewards could be better.
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#26 Aug 18 2014 at 6:45 AM Rating: Default
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Nashred wrote:
[quote=Lyrailis] Rewards could be better.


I'm pretty sure that's what I've been saying but got sub-defaulted. /meh back to something more interesting.
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