How will SE address hunts in this coming maintenance?Follow

I'm thinking of nothing this apocalyptic, seeing as changing anything -now- would be completely unfair to the people who didnt (get to) spam the hunts over and over.

- My guess is that the only thing they're changing are the shop prices for GC armor, which now costs upwards of 1700 allied seals.

Though, 20-40 seals for what is essentially i90 armor is kinda broken though. But i've been loving it to gear up my alt jobs.

LOL update

So much for all the good predications. It seems that everyone grossly over estimated this 'update'. That is a really shame because there were some great is ideas on here too.

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 7:02am by RyanSquires

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/180676-Hunts....Naul-AGAIN-for-Sargatanas.....-this-is-what-the-patch-did.../page2

I guess they said they were looking into it...of all things, they went ahead and fixed it hah. I guess the system is going to stay in place for good. Hopefully with a bit of time, the hoard starts growing down in size, though that's doubtful, especially on a server like Balmung.

What we all have said, and what I think everyone can agree on, is that he is more in touch with the pulse of modern MMOs and MMO players than the original 1.0 team was.

Very few of his actions have contradicted this assumption.

Cause he plays as much as we do. And he is older so he has a lick of sense. At least I was right, no allied seals cap =D

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 9:24am by Valkayree

Ugh. At the very least I had hoped they would make the daily hunts worthwhile to do, but nope. I don't even see how this update really accomplishes anything since no matter who has what weekly bill all the marks just get zerged to death anyways. So disappointing.

I just think if a piece of content results in the community having to make a bunch of rules to make it (supposedly) tolerable - everyone has to share the location, everyone has to wait a few minutes for others to show up, noone pulls until everyone is ready, etc. - then the content is pretty poorly designed in the first place. I mean I'm glad some of you enjoy "the hunt"... tracking kill times so you know when and where they are due to come up (ah, the thrill of the hunt... lol), dropping everything to rush to the mark, jumping into parties so you get decent credit, hoping that you can actually see the mob on the screen, and then desperately doing anything you can to try to build up enough credit to get the full reward, but I'll pass. If that means I'm stuck without sands and oils for awhile, oh well... I'd rather be stuck with i100 gear than put up with this garbage.

I'm also extremely skeptical that this ever gets better over time as people collect the sands/oils they need because there's no real reason for these people to ever move on. They can get all the myth and soldiery they will ever need by hunting, as well as seals that can be spent on alexandrites, gear, and more sands/oils for any other job they want for a pretty minimal amount of work. For a lot of people out there, who cares if it's at all fun? It's easy and OMG I NEED DIS STUFF.

I don't understand why this is a bad thing in an MMO. Seems like a great thing to me, but I'm an old-school MMO player.

Actually, I don't understand why this is a bad thing ever.

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 8:56am by Thayos

Very well said. I remember waiting in line to complete the fellowship quest. That was an awesome showing of the strength of the XI community.

Also, guess what? Games with strong, mature communities last a whole lot longer than games filled with folks who either act selfishly or behave like (or possibly are) bickering children.

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 9:54am by Thayos

It's a bad thing because it never works. The community can set all the ground rules they want and 99% of the playerbase can agree to follow them but that 1% is going to say to hell with it, do what they want, and make the experience miserable for everyone else because there's no penalty for them to do so.

I remember waiting in line in FFXI too. It seemed fair and like a good compromise but there were plenty of people who said "***** that" and decided to go straight to the front, which resulted in others saying "well if they're not going to wait, I'm not going to either". Everyone else who decides to play by the rules is penalized (in this case with a longer wait) because a few bad apples don't want to play nice. It's poor game design to release content that you know everyone is going to want to do but only a handful at a time can access whether the playerbase figures out a way to make it work or not.

Now if the content was *designed* to have rules like the community wants to reinforce, these things are no longer an issue. For example, I saw an idea posted somewhere where it was suggested that instead of finding the mark out in the open, you found some type of spawn point on the map. Once activated, you'd get some type of message in the area saying it had been ("The bait has been set to lure out the XXX.") and there's a 3 minute wait for the mark to spawn. There are set rules set within the game that everyone HAS to follow, and one jerk can't come in and ruin the experience for everyone else.

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 1:44pm by Raylo

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 1:45pm by Raylo

It worked in FFXI because the portion of the population that was actually ready to dive into dynamis was much smaller than the portion of XIV's community that can tackle a hunt. It's also worth noting that you couldn't just jump ahead of other people in line without having a few dozen other people willing to do that with you. It's not like you could be successful in dynamis without a large group.

It was always easier to find a group of people going at the time suitable for you and ask them to join up. The compromise in XI was that these dynamis LS leaders realized that they weren't monopolizing these time blocks. Yes, they were the only group to go in at that time but they also accepted the responsibility of allowing people who were only available at that time to come along.

The idea proposed is essentially a FATE with an area message added to it. They've added other rewards to FATEs, infamous NMs as FATEs, crossovers were added to FATEs... I don't see why they don't just keep going down that road. Boring and unimaginative, yes... but it gets the job done.

I played FFXI for somewhere between 2-3 years, maybe? I can honestly say nothing I ever did in the game had anything to do with the potential of me getting into a Dynamis LS. The whole "you had to play nice if you wanted in on Dynamis" never held any water with me because I was never close enough in level to where I was ever thinking of Dynamis and I'm sure a lot of other players were the same way. Involvement in Dynamis was really not an incentive/punishment to anyone like that because, well... that was a loooooong time away for a lot of us. I'm not sure that helped people "play nice" if they wanted to go against what was socially acceptable in game.

I also stand by my point that just because the playerbase is willing to accept something doesn't mean it's well designed. Players may be willing to stand in a line IN A GAME for 2+ hours *but they shouldn't have to*.



I think it's wrong not to make some effort to correct it from ever being a problem at all. People may be willing to shrug and say "eh, we just have to deal with it", and that's great, but they shouldn't have to. It can be designed in such a way where these issues don't exist.

Edited, Jul 29th 2014 4:33pm by Raylo