Thoughts on MMO Communities in generalFollow

Maybe. I've seen it in people who are generally more successful online than they are in real life (in-game ilvl 110 tank with 10 t9 wins, but is 40 and lives at home with mom vountarily and has no source of income and rarely bathes OR is 15, not really socially accepted and/or bullied at school or home). Personally, I'm less successful on the game than I am in rl, so I tend to care less what people think about me online. I generally speak my mind and really don't care about the drama unless it is personally wasting my time, which I do value more than most anything. Other than that I frown at disrespect and overall idiocy, however that is generally anywhere I go.

Edited, Jul 25th 2014 4:41pm by Valkayree

Ditto, Valk. Well said.

They're still a**holes though.

Edited, Jul 25th 2014 7:41pm by BrokenFox

From my personal experience, BLM is the DPS most likely to get commendations.

Let's face it, BLM's the flashiest DPS. It's hard to not notice them.

It's also the straight up most popular DPS in the game. In any given raid you are more likely to see two or three BLMs than you are multiples of any other DPS class.

It sounds like you're generalizing people who do well in-game as "no lifes" or "failures" to justify your poor performance

Just saying.



It's kind of ironic that your "douchebag test" involves you being a douchebag. Next time consider the DPS who will have to wait all over again for a new group, because you decided to "troll" your party by pretending to wear low level gear/pretending to not know what to do.

Edited, Jul 26th 2014 7:43pm by lass5

Personally I don't think it goes that deep. I don't believe that losing in an MMO really carries much of a negative stigma, or lowers a player's perceived social status. Losing any fight in this game is not really a big deal, as if you lose you can just turn around and jump back into the fight again with a new group.

I think modern MMOs just tend to attract a pretty decent amount of players who are fairly short tempered when it comes to dealing with less skilled and less experienced players. The expectation of the mainstream MMORPG player is that most of the game is generally quick and effortless. Why have a world to travel when you can have instant teleports and dungeon queues? Why have danger in the world? Dying isn't fun. Why force players to socialize when some players prefer to be loners? I could go on and on, but the point is that the games are generally pretty easy for just about anyone to pick up and succeed in to a certain degree. Which can be a good thing in some ways. For example, the guy who still enjoys MMOs but doesn't quite have the time to sit and dedicate a good deal of time to lengthy and involving content might prefer a more relaxed and casual game.

However, it's also fairly appealing to players who just want to blitz to the cap because they get a kick out of blowing through high level content and reaping top rewards, even if they aren't necessarily the most social or helpful players. Just like the rest of the game, they don't want to waste time doing anything other than getting stuff done. If you make any mistakes that cause a wipe on a boss, or aren't quite doing what you should be for an optimal speed run for the 36th "flavor of the month" dungeon run that day, then you're a hindrance. The rest of the game doesn't exactly require that players play nice with each other, and those who didn't care to do it before aren't necessarily going to start now.

Just to echo the sentiment about XI, the community was pretty freakin fantastic. It wasn't until I started playing games like WoW that I started seeing **** attitudes. For the most part XIV has retained a lot of the purity of the XI fanbase, but I've seen some glaring exceptions. The XIV community is tainted by 10 years of ********* using their anonymity to run their mouths in other games, which they've taken with them here. They stand out quite a bit from the vast majority of players who themselves are respectful, and give the impression they'd never fit in in the XI community, nor do they here.

I always found the Dungeon Finder a double edged sword. It's fantastic in the way it allows parties to be quickly made in a matter of minutes as opposed to the sometimes hours it took in games before its creation. However, by drawing from a cross server pool its very easy for undesirable people to end up ruining an otherwise great gaming experience for everyone else.

An old XI friend of mine came up with a possible solution using the infamous GM Jail of XI - If you've never been there it's literally a four wall room where no chat leaves and you get the honor of discussing why you've been placed there with a disembodied GM. Anyways his idea was similar to the Player Commendation but it would be changed to Player Demerits - Every 10 demerits a player received for either bad attitude, excessive afks, or just general bad play would place them into the GM Jail for 30 minutes the first time with 30 minutes tacked on every subsequent time. The first three times a player obtains 10 demerits he/she would be allowed to trade 10 Commendations to avoid the 30 minute jail time. The second time would require 20 Commendations to avoid the hour, and the third time would be 30 to avoid the 90 minutes. After the 30th Demerit the player would have to deal with the 2 hours of time in GM Jail.

I personally thought this might be a good idea. It has a large enough margin that it's unlikely to be abused constantly, and it punishes the undesirables by taking away the one thing many of them think is so important that they unfortunately have bad attitudes....Their beloved progression time.

Because each player can only pass out one demerit per dungeon run - The same as they can only give one Player Commendation. It would be impossible for one player to make life miserable on another for wiping on landslides. It would take all 7 other players with the bad player having three previous demerits to suffer for his actions (using your Titan example)

People claimed that adding the Vote Kick feature would also cause players to abuse that system, and it hasn't been abused nearly as much as people claimed it would.

It would be impossible for one player to make life miserable for another, but it wouldn't be at all unlikely that over time these would start to add up. If you get two or three of these on one run, then one the next, then a few later on, sooner or later you end up finding yourself in jail. Vote kick requires a majority to take effect, and I've seen it happen in both situations that I mentioned. There'd be nothing stopping that same majority (4 or more) of players from abusing this system per run, and even if it's a minority, if these started to accumulate over time you'd end up being punished for it. And the punishment, losing your game time, is quite severe. I just couldn't see a system like this working to everyone's benefit. If something like this were actually implemented, I'd expect an outcry within days of its release.

I didn't have to wish death on a player the other day in Brayflox normal. He was a summoner, I was on warrior, and he kept trying to be the dungeon puller. After the third time where I said "please let me pull" and he ran ahead of me, I told the healer to stop healing him and the other DPS to top helping him. We let him die.

He warped back to the dungeon start and got the point after that.

I try not to be a princess tank, but if you're not letting me do my job, I'm going to get pissy.