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#1 Jul 05 2014 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I hit my cap for gold sellers in my Black List.

I just started playing FFXIV a few weeks, and I love the game. The graphics, the music, the main quest story, the freedom in classes, all of it is just what I wanted in an MMORPG. But I am losing interest quick due to one small factor: gil sellers.

I don't know how to explain it really. I am coming over from WoW, and I rarely saw a gold sellers, and I was on the most populated server for Alliance. The only reasons I can think of why i didn't see gold sellers in WoW was due to either gold being a bit easier to come by or that Blizzard actually took action towards gold sellers.

I don't know. I am seriously consider quitting this game cause I feel SE has no initiative to try and stop Gil selling sites.

I am just over acting? In the future do you think that SE will actually do something to the sites to lower all this god forsaken spamming?

*sigh*
#2 Jul 05 2014 at 10:58 AM Rating: Decent
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XIV ARR is still the "new hotness", once general interest calms down, RMT will taper off dramatically as they move onto the next "new hotness". It's bad in XIV ARR because everything SE did to combat RMT hinders regular players mostly, and the economy is so ****** on most if not all servers that those tells for $4-8 per million gil likely catches many people eyes and keep them in business.

As proven with IGE, they're doing nothing wrong as a business so SE can go after them...but it would do no good because they're TECHNICALLY not breaking any rules, it's the farmers that are. I mean in terms of breaking the rules, Amazon and Ebay breaks every rule in the book because people make money on a company's product by selling it to someone else.

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XIV ARR is still the "new hotness", once general interest calms down, RMT will taper off dramatically as they move onto the next "new hotness". It's bad in XIV ARR because everything SE did to combat RMT hinders regular players mostly, and the economy is so sh*tty on most if not all servers that those tells for $4-8 per million gil likely catches many people eyes and keep them in business.

As proven with IGE, they're doing nothing wrong as a business so SE can go after them...but it would do no good because they're TECHNICALLY not breaking any rules, it's the farmers that are. I mean in terms of breaking the rules, Amazon and Ebay breaks every rule in the book because people make money on a company's product by selling it to someone else.



Ya, FFXIV is the new hotness, but doesn't this problem manifest due to lack of security measures against currency sellers? It has been about 8 years since I've played FFXI, and a little while ago I checked to see how the game was doing, and many people mentioned that the game became over run with Gil sellers there.

I know FFXIV is new, and people are hopping over to check the game out (as am I) but to see WoW, a game with over 7x the amount of players, handle thier gold sellers in a swifter method makes me think that SE just doesn't care. I mean, this is the economy of the game that they are just allowing to fall to ****, and the idea if I wanna continue to play, only having to compete with people who just purchase millions of Gil is depressing to say the least.

It just seems like they are turning a blind eye to big issue. And there seriously are no rules in the TS stating that the selling of in-game items for real money is a breach of service? Look what Nexon is doing to player who are cheating and making money, they are taking them to court.

I find it a nuisance if I must pay $15 a month to SE and have SE expect me to pay $5-$10 a month on gil from a third party. That is just...*ugh*
#4 Jul 05 2014 at 1:02 PM Rating: Excellent
You can go through and clean out your blacklist by typing /blacklist and clicking on the names. I clean it out every couple of weeks.

I also turned off the tell "sound" so I can see the tells but not get an annoying sound playing with them. I've found it a lot less irritating, and few people in this game communicate via tell anyway.
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Very similar to Cat, I've put all my tells into an isolated chat log (which only displays tells), removed tells from my generalised chat log, and disabled the sound. Is it ideal? Not really, but the amount of regular people who actually use tells to communicate in this compared to XI is very small, so it is still an effective way to isolate the spam. Only downside to this is missing legitimate tells, but everybody I speak to on a regular basis is either in a FC or LS with me, and know I filter out tells, so it hasn't had any impact on the way I communicate. Hope this helps, once the wall of text has been beaten, the game is enjoyable I'm my opinion, don't let a small proportion of the community stop you from playing!
#6 Jul 05 2014 at 2:30 PM Rating: Default
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XIV has such an issue because it's pretty easy to exploit the game for profit. Personally I didn't think that gil was hard in XIV, but gold was way easier for me to make in comparison. SE handles the issue differently than other games though. Instead of actively removing the cheats and exploits from the game, they just monitor how much gil is going into circulation and create gil sinks to soak it up.
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The more anti-RMT tactics that they use on the game the more of a hindrance it is on the playerbase. (Ex. not being able to send /tells until a certain level.) I rather deal with this then have that to be honest.
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#8 Jul 05 2014 at 5:39 PM Rating: Default
The only way to do this sadly is to make gil non-tradable, such as Cruor in FFXI.
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while wew're on the subject of gilsellers.. why is it in FFXI although they did exist and run rampant they werent advertising/sending people tells... yet they do so in this game?

Is that the new trend? i.e is it happening in FFXI now too?
#10 Jul 05 2014 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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while wew're on the subject of gilsellers.. why is it in FFXI although they did exist and run rampant they werent advertising/sending people tells... yet they do so in this game?

Is that the new trend? i.e is it happening in FFXI now too?


There was a whole BROSALE tell epidemic in XI but the filters actually worked in that game. Sometimes tells will slip through as you zone but it was every blue moon did you really get spammed with BROSALE tells.
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Pretty sure they were doing the /tell thing even before they made the level cap to 80.
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I don't have any distinct memories of gilsellers back in XI. I sure as hell remember the casinos in Lower Jueno, but not the gilsellers. I must have known them from somewhere, because back in 04-05 I probably bought 6-8 million gil myself. That was back before it was seen as this ultimate deadly sin.
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The more anti-RMT tactics that they use on the game the more of a hindrance it is on the playerbase. (Ex. not being able to send /tells until a certain level.) I rather deal with this then have that to be honest.

Fixing the holes isn't really an anti-RMT tactic per se. We're talking about fixing or removing the loopholes in the game that allow RMT to circumvent playing the game as it's meant to be played. We're not talking about restrictions on auction listings, player to player trades, ect..

DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Is that the new trend? i.e is it happening in FFXI now too?

I haven't been back too long, but I don't recall receiving any RMT tells since prior to abyssea expansions. Even then, it was much more rare to see than it is in XIV currently. I might get a few in a week(including a lot of time spent afk in bazaar mode) back then.
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#14 Jul 05 2014 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't have any distinct memories of gilsellers back in XI. I sure as hell remember the casinos in Lower Jueno, but not the gilsellers. I must have known them from somewhere, because back in 04-05 I probably bought 6-8 million gil myself. That was back before it was seen as this ultimate deadly sin.


The only time RMT was an issue in XI:

Xmas 2005 when they sold 1 mil gil per $1, that screwed the economy for years to come. While true RMT claimed NMs and whatnot, regular players did the most botting and hacking. Check BG Forums, it's almost EXPECTED that you use bots and hacks when you play FFXI, they just won't link you to the downloads.
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I find it a nuisance if I must pay $15 a month to SE and have SE expect me to pay $5-$10 a month on gil from a third party. That is just...*ugh*


Congratulations, this by far the stupidest statement made this week. Considering how dumb some of the other contenders were, this is a pretty impressive feat you've managed to accomplish.

Gil is damn near worthless in this game. Once you hit level 50, everything worthwhile comes from drops or grinding non-gil currency. All gil does is pile up and become an amusing side game to see how high you can get your stockpile before you find something to spend it on. So far, I haven't found anything yet. I have almost enough gil to buy my own house if I were so inclined. Not that I would. Wondering off into one of the housing zones is pretty much the most boring thing you can do in the game.

The only people that would ever buy gil are gullible folks like yourself that for some reason haven't managed to figure out how little it actually matters in this game. There's a reason why the gil sellers are trying so hard to get people to buy from them. It's because there is no reason to buy from them. Now, stop your whining and enjoy the game, or go play something else.
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I hit my cap for gold sellers in my Black List.

I just started playing FFXIV a few weeks, and I love the game. The graphics, the music, the main quest story, the freedom in classes, all of it is just what I wanted in an MMORPG. But I am losing interest quick due to one small factor: gil sellers.

I don't know how to explain it really. I am coming over from WoW, and I rarely saw a gold sellers, and I was on the most populated server for Alliance. The only reasons I can think of why i didn't see gold sellers in WoW was due to either gold being a bit easier to come by or that Blizzard actually took action towards gold sellers.

I don't know. I am seriously consider quitting this game cause I feel SE has no initiative to try and stop Gil selling sites.

I am just over acting? In the future do you think that SE will actually do something to the sites to lower all this god forsaken spamming?

*sigh*


As other posters have said, there are lots of easy ways to deal with this. If this is your biggest problem with the game, then that sounds pretty awesome in my book!
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#17 Jul 06 2014 at 12:55 AM Rating: Good
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Congratulations, this by far the stupidest statement made this week. Considering how dumb some of the other contenders were, this is a pretty impressive feat you've managed to accomplish.

Yoshida has stated that he prefers a cyclical economy. Rest assured that they will artificially raise the value as needed with major content patches to combat inflation. It's not the greatest idea(personal opinion), but it gets the job done. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if SE already had a lot of content on deck that they're holding back for the specific purpose of trying to regulate the economy.

Game launches and gil starts flooding the economy > FC housing is released to siphon some of the gil out and restore value

gil flood > gil sink > gil flood... so on

I'm not gonna accuse SE of forcing players toward RMT, but it will and does happen as a result of how they choose to regulate the economy. Farm gil while it's worthless and stockpile it until a patch comes along to restore value. If you don't, you're not going to be enjoying content as it's released, If you do, you'll be lucky enough to claim dibs and not have to wait until demand falls off.


Edited, Jul 6th 2014 4:29am by FilthMcNasty
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#18 Jul 06 2014 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gil is damn near worthless in this game. Once you hit level 50, everything worthwhile comes from drops or grinding non-gil currency. All gil does is pile up and become an amusing side game to see how high you can get your stockpile before you find something to spend it on.


Filth is right about the game having a cyclical economy. Case in point, Novus weapons. Right now, gil is tremendously valuable because people with big gil stockpiles can buy most of their materia for their novus weapons, which frees up time for farming myths for Alexandrite. And before that, housing was the big gil sink. Each major patch usually ushers in some new craftable gear that causes spikes in the economy, as well.

Unlike FFXI, though, this game doesn't penalize people who don't have the time to farm up mountains of gil. It's possible to survive just fine in this game without chasing things like housing or Novus weapons, and good endgame gear can always be farmed without gil. For me, it's an extremely welcome change.
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#19 Jul 06 2014 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Filth is right about the game having a cyclical economy. Case in point, Novus weapons. Right now, gil is tremendously valuable because people with big gil stockpiles can buy most of their materia for their novus weapons, which frees up time for farming myths for Alexandrite. And before that, housing was the big gil sink. Each major patch usually ushers in some new craftable gear that causes spikes in the economy, as well.
Unlike FFXI, though, this game doesn't penalize people who don't have the time to farm up mountains of gil. It's possible to survive just fine in this game without chasing things like housing or Novus weapons, and good endgame gear can always be farmed without gil. For me, it's an extremely welcome change.


My feeling exactly, I don't know what the OP is really complaining about, RMTs are doing no damage to me and I play a part in nearly everything in XIV. In XI RMTs were effecting the game by over camping NMs, Sky and at times were MPKn players.

When XI change drops to Rare/Ex this almost stopped a lot of it. One of the changes I asked for years ago which some players said wouldn't fix anything when in fact it did.

I love XIV's gil way that you don't need it to play. Gear is easy to get, it's easy to do most things.
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You can delete all the people on your blacklist that are gil sellers, I've filled up 3 times now. Even thought they may have been reported and the accounts suspended they aren't deleted right there. I don't think i've had to re add someone either.
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I wish there was an easy way to delete the entire black list at once, instead of having to delete one name at a time. XI had a command line option to do so. Wish that XIV had the same thing.
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svlyons wrote:
I wish there was an easy way to delete the entire black list at once, instead of having to delete one name at a time. XI had a command line option to do so. Wish that XIV had the same thing.

This is the only real problem other than gathering bots and the market.... I'd rather a purge blacklist function than the bots being stopped if I could only choose one.
#23 Oct 16 2014 at 1:58 AM Rating: Default
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This post here did wonders for me - but PC only:
http://excellence-ffxiv.enjin.com/forum/m/19945089/viewthread/13311747-blocking-gil-spam
Necro Warning: This post occurred more than thirty days after the prior, and may be a necropost.
#24 Oct 16 2014 at 2:23 AM Rating: Default
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Oh trust me, I know how you feel, I hardly log on but for a few minutes or hours and the only thing keeping me interested is the cloud of darkness and ultros and detective content even the golden saucer.

Though my patience is wearing thin, I have black listed so much that I am tired of doing it, so I shut off my /tells in general.
Although it doesn't work because they spam friend invites and I am getting tired of putting /busy up.

I was fine with it for a bit till they started to spam invites and then spamming really long /tells it's actually killing the experience.

Same happened in FFXI back in the days, I was getting tired of RMT tells that I quit for a few months until I heard they made a filter.
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