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the exact same reason why I go to work... I dont enjoy what I do but I enjoy the paycheck I get from doing it which allows me to do things i DO enjoy doing...... I dont enjoy running brayfllox HM 30 times a day (literally) but I do enjoy/want that super shiny weapons... so I deal with it..

now if only someone can make a game where grinding/doing the same thing 500+ times is consistently fun instead of feeling like a chore..

As for dynamis, nyzul isle, etc etc yeah I did those a million times and never got bored.. difference is you could only enter dynamis twice a week... so I wasnt doing it frequently enough to be bored.. now if i was doin it 10 times back to back in the same day EVERY day Id wanna shoot myself.. same with nyzul isle.. sure you can do that multiple times back to back BUT.. you had to run out of tags... after which you HAD to find something ELSE to do until you got more.... getting mythology tomes in brayflox doesnt have that restriction.. and without such restrictions m gonna try to get stuff done the fastest way possible even if its painfully torturous.


another example would be getting alexandrite and soldiery cap.. I dont farm 800 myth a day to get an alexandrite since now I have another options (1 expert roulette a day) and now Im not doing brayflox back to back 15 times in one day every week to cap soldiery ASAP because I HAVE to do one expert roulette a day now to get alxandrite and doing so would also give me 450 soldiery by the weeks end so spamming brayflox to cap soldiery is not unnecessary... thus its awhole lot less boring since Im not doing it back to make anymore....


unless of course I decide I wanna start farming myth to get alexandrite even faster... but first im waiting to se how the myth adjustments tuin out to be and how good hunting is before i decide is spamming myth all day for alexamdrite is the way to go.

Edited, Jul 4th 2014 10:28pm by DuoMaxwellxx

The restrictions on these events were removed quite some time ago. You can run dyna, salvage, nyzul every day. Those 3 events alone will take you several hours so on their own, they're more than enough to fill up a day for the average player. The fact that you can supplement them with other events I listed(should you get bored) is just icing.

From the 2.2 patch notes, the prereq for Leviathan extreme is :
Players must first complete the quest "Through the Maelstrom" and have completed The Bowl of Embers (Extreme).

With 2.3, the ifrit extreme prereq is removed. The titan and garuda quest is not listed as a prereq. Therefore, with ifrit removed, you do not need to beat any of those 3 in order to unlock Leviathan.

not true for everyone.. I work because I like having nice things and new shiny "toys" to play with (i.e the $2k laptop I built, ffxiv's sub fee, my day one ps4... about 50+ games currently paid in full and pre ordered) etc etc.... I dont HAVE to work at all as everything i NEED is already taken care of, I go out and bust my *** 40 hours a week at a job I dont like to get the things I WANT.. Im sure we all know the difference between a need and a want and when/if the time does come where NEEDs are no longer being taken care off I have a very large stockpile saved up and continuously growing just for when and if that day finally comes, im smart enough not to blow ALL my money, as any of the idiots who won the lottery went on shopping sprees then were broke within a week, learned the hard way... there will be a time when youll actually NEED that money. I tend to do a fine job of learning from others mistakes.

I do think running the same dungeons repeatedly each week quickly turns into a grind. In fact, there are two things I think SE needs to address;
1. Create other avenues for myth; high level, open world FATE chains, that reward small amounts of myth is just one thought. I understand anything they add will turn into a grind eventually but having the option, especially if I don't want to charge through AK or WP for the 700 time, is important.

2. Content in which skillful use of abilities is more important or at least as important as the mechanics of the fight. This is a legacy instinct from my XI years. Somehow, I felt that if I executed abilities in the right order or at the right time it could influence the outcome or significantly increase the pace of the monsters defeat. In XI skill-chains were one manifestation of how skillful timing could reward your party. I am not saying we need skill-chains in XIV but I guess I would like to see bigger rewards for skillful play as opposed to just straight DPS. Limit Breaks don't give me that same feeling.

Edited, Jul 5th 2014 7:09am by kainsilv

Fynlar, you're literally arguing semantics.

Basically, if they were going to say that they only removed Ifrit from the fight, what they would have said was "The requirements to enter The Worleater (Extreme) has been changed from completion of (Ifrit Extreeme) to (Titan Extreme).

What they did, in their wording, is base their perspective off of the quest requirement list, rather than the quest chain.

Listing it out like this:

Requirements to access The Whorleater (Extreeme):
Completion of Into the Malestrom.
Completion of Bowl of Embers (Extreme)

Both quest requirements automatically imply all their prerequisites quests simply by listing them. To strike the quest itself from the list, from the the way it is origonally dictated, also automaticaly clears all prerequisite quests in the line, as a new requirement of the previous requisites is not expressly stated.

So the list looks like this:

Requirements to access The Whorleater (Extreeme):
Completion of Into the Malestrom.
Completion of Bowl of Embers (Extreme)

Everything in the first category exists, everything in the second category no longer is required.

They don't need to clarify further. They never listed the prerequisite quests to begin with. Removing the quest that requires the prerequisites removes said prerequisites. All you need to do, is clear The Whorleater (Hard), which comes with its implied prerequisites.

Remain doubtful as you wish, but the semantic logic is there, you're just viewing at the implications in an improper manner.

Or Frontlines?

It's all perspective man. Name anything you have done 20+ times that was as fun, scary, exciting, unknown, etc,etc. Learn to ride a bicycle, some grow out of it and want a car, and some love riding bicycles forever. When you first meet your perfect woman, in the beginning every moment is precious for some then if dulls, and for some the freshness never dies. It works in the same way for video games. Nothing in this world will ever bring you satisfaction once reduced to a means to an end.


Work doesn't have to be something you don't enjoy. Let's say you love writing music more than anything else you do. But you work corporate wall street because it pays more. What is going to allow you spend time doing what you love most? Money can't buy you time.


You do FFXI things a million times, you do ARR things a million times. But you prefer one over the other because it restricts you from doing it over and over? Sounds like a drug to me. What gets someone over an addiction? Restrictions imposed upon you or finding the will to control yourself? I think we see how that goes with people in and out of rehabs.

I see you complaining against the very thing you like doing. You like grinding. And there is nothing wrong with that. If ARR bent over and gave you the reward too easy. You would spit in it's face and say it's too casual. If you would fully accept that and relish in it. This game would be more fun from your perspective. It's not the shiny you love, it's the process or you would be gone from ARR already. The shiny is just the virtual/material thing that punctuates what you accomplished. Some people might look down on virtual accomplishments being real. But a virtual accomplishment can be just as real as any real world thing. And that is precious.

I don't want to go digging for the link, but Yoshi-P has already said the Titan Ex/Ifrit Ex requirements would be waived in 2.3. He actually cited both of those fights specifically.

It just wouldn't make sense to address Titan Ex in the patch notes, because Titan Ex isn't a prereq for Leviathan... only Ifrit Ex is (but Titan Ex is a prereq for Ifrit Ex.

Point being, Titan Ex won't be required anymore.

Edited, Jul 5th 2014 8:56am by Thayos

Dungeons will only matter for roulette, simply put they are way too easy to and only become a means to the end. People don't dislike LCoA because it's hard, they dislike because it takes 25 mins to run instead 15 while offering the same reward. I feel they need to revisit the dungeons.