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#1 Jul 02 2014 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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soo how long do you guys think itll take before those absurd tier 4 materia prices go away?

Also how long (minutes or hours) would you say it takes to get a 0% spiritbond tier 4 producing armor to 100% spiritbond?
#2 Jul 02 2014 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
Tier IV materia prices have always been high. I know, because I've been spiritbonding and selling materia on the boards for months now. I don't think those prices are coming down until tier V materia enters the equation.
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#3 Jul 02 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Duo passed me up, working on Novus already x.x

Anyways. Spirit bonding. It really depends on how and where you are doing it its really hard for me to give a static time-frame because my group tends to do it through instancing together, so we're completing multiple objectives rather than hammering out one specifically at the best efficiency.

The typical farming locations are wherever you can get multiples of higher level mobs clustered together, so figure on places like Northern Thanalanm the Castrum at Cape Westwind, and The Castrum outside of Wineport.

What I've managed to scrounge up is about an hour per bonding cycle at the above camps, not including bonuses.

Keep in mind there are Grand Company Items, as well as the Meteor Ring that will help your spirit binding, as well as any high quality or melded meteria also quickens the spirit bonding rate.

Good luck!
#4 Jul 02 2014 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Spirit binding is affected by a few things.

First off, an HQ item will fill up faster then a NQ item. The difference is about 10-15% faster which is pretty subtantial. Next item level needs to be taken into consideration. The hiher the item level the better your chances of getting tier 4, but te items bind slower. Next the level of he enemy you are fighting also determines the speed of binding. Level 50 monsters will yield the fastes binds, but those mobs are usually camped for chocobo leveling. North thanalan is good for this since there is many fates that have large amounts of mobs in them.

Personally i crafy the ilvl 48/49 accessories HQ for spirit bonding. It takes me about 45 minutes or less to get them 100%. I get about 1 tier 4 per 2 sets of accessories. Sometimes more. Dont think its worth crafting anythin higher than those but its up to you.
#5 Jul 02 2014 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
Spirit binding is affected by a few things.

First off, an HQ item will fill up faster then a NQ item. The difference is about 10-15% faster which is pretty subtantial.

When I conducted some testing a while ago, I found the difference to be about 20%.

The number of materia affixed also impacts binding rates. Each materia slot filled on an item increases the rate by about 20%, regardless of the type or tier of the materia used. Consequently, I found that an NQ item with one materia had the same binding rate as an HQ item with no materia.

So if you want stuff to bind faster, start with HQ and meld as many materias as seems reasonable. Just get junk tier 1 materia like elemental ones, fill up the gauranteed materia slots, and then possibly do one over meld. Doing too many over melds per item will cut into the profit you hope to make converting the item later to the point where it could wipe out whatever benefit you would get from the increased binding rate.
#6 Jul 02 2014 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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It's kind of funny watching materia prices progress with people through the Novus process. A couple weeks ago Battledance III Materia were going for 80k+ while Battledance IV Materia were going for 50k... now IIIs are down to about 40k while IVs are over 100k.

My advice is to just be patient and maybe work on infusing a different stat while prices are high. While IIIs were at their highest point I bought cheap tier I accuracy materia to get started on bringing that up, then the parry materia fell back to a more average price and I took advantage of that. Now that I'm ready to infuse Battledance IVs I'll work on my accuracy infusions some more until that price falls back down a bit.

Alternatively, just stockpile your Alexandrites and do mass infusions once you have all of them that you need. I'd venture to guess that you'd save quite a bit of gil that way and it's not like it holds you back at all.
#7 Jul 02 2014 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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Whelp pretty much every Tier IV plummeted except for Gathering and Crafting ones for quite awhile because let's face it, unless you honestly didn't do end-game, chances are you were one of the handful who actually bothered with overmelds which dropped the price dramatically after awhile (not as high of a demand compared to T3 needed for relics.)

So after Novus rush dies down it'll plummet again, even more so depending on whats to come in in 2.3. I still have around 47 tier IV cracked materia and 70 Tier III from my CC SB days in 1.2x, so I'll be fine regardless, but you'll be much better off SBing yourself and praying for non elemental materia.
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#8 Jul 02 2014 at 7:03 PM Rating: Good
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Just did a full set of ilvl55 gear as Blm. 9 slots of stuff to SB, normal weapon, 2x meteor rings.

All SB items were HQ had 2 materia in them, took 197 kills according to the kill achievement, about 45 minutes. About 30 mobs that might be on that list were tagged by a brd waiting on CT, so I might have got SB credit but not kill credit, or vice versa. All mobs were level 50 water sprites.

3/9 came out as TIV, it's normally 1-2 from a full set.

HQ gives about a 20% boost, each materia on the gear gives about 20% more, spiritbond+3 gives about 20% more.

Spiritbond+1 gear is not worth using; you'll lose a slot to spiritbond without gaining enough speed to make up for it. Spiritbond+2 is about a push, if you're dropping from 9 pieces to 8 getting a speed boost about equal to it.
#9 Jul 02 2014 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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now if only there was a way to control what TYPE of materias you get (type not tier) i.e i wouldnt wanna waste all day spiritbonding tier 4 just to get 10 tier 4 materia and NONE of them be the type I want lol
#10 Jul 02 2014 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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Hyrist wrote:
Duo passed me up, working on Novus already x.x


Yup not bad for a guy who "doesnt even play the game and hates it to death" huh?
#11 Jul 03 2014 at 2:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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now if only there was a way to control what TYPE of materias you get (type not tier) i.e i wouldnt wanna waste all day spiritbonding tier 4 just to get 10 tier 4 materia and NONE of them be the type I want lol


Even if that does happen, you can take a chance on converting them to something more useful/valuable at the Gobbie NPC near Drybone. Of course, this is a gamble, but if you get 5 junk tier IV's that are worth next to nothing, it's certainly worth a shot.
#12 Jul 03 2014 at 4:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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now if only there was a way to control what TYPE of materias you get (type not tier) i.e i wouldnt wanna waste all day spiritbonding tier 4 just to get 10 tier 4 materia and NONE of them be the type I want lol


Even if that does happen, you can take a chance on converting them to something more useful/valuable at the Gobbie NPC near Drybone. Of course, this is a gamble, but if you get 5 junk tier IV's that are worth next to nothing, it's certainly worth a shot.


Awesome tip. Thank you, didnt know you could even do this! RUP.
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#13 Jul 03 2014 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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EdyNOTB wrote:
blowfin wrote:
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now if only there was a way to control what TYPE of materias you get (type not tier) i.e i wouldnt wanna waste all day spiritbonding tier 4 just to get 10 tier 4 materia and NONE of them be the type I want lol


Even if that does happen, you can take a chance on converting them to something more useful/valuable at the Gobbie NPC near Drybone. Of course, this is a gamble, but if you get 5 junk tier IV's that are worth next to nothing, it's certainly worth a shot.


Awesome tip. Thank you, didnt know you could even do this! RUP.


It was added in a patch or two ago, the reason you likely didn't know/hear about it is because it was largely deemed "not worth it" and kind of forgotten about in the long run lol.
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#14 Jul 07 2014 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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The demand for T4 materia could go up and not down if SE isn't careful. They're bringing in high level craftable accessories...

Edited, Jul 7th 2014 7:52am by eldelphia
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#15 Jul 07 2014 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Theonehio wrote:
EdyNOTB wrote:
blowfin wrote:
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now if only there was a way to control what TYPE of materias you get (type not tier) i.e i wouldnt wanna waste all day spiritbonding tier 4 just to get 10 tier 4 materia and NONE of them be the type I want lol


Even if that does happen, you can take a chance on converting them to something more useful/valuable at the Gobbie NPC near Drybone. Of course, this is a gamble, but if you get 5 junk tier IV's that are worth next to nothing, it's certainly worth a shot.


Awesome tip. Thank you, didnt know you could even do this! RUP.


It was added in a patch or two ago, the reason you likely didn't know/hear about it is because it was largely deemed "not worth it" and kind of forgotten about in the long run lol.

Mmhmm, realistically, you turn 5 materia (was it 5?) into a random single materia of equal level. If you used 1x T3 and 4x T2 you would get a 19% chance to get a T3 materia back, or a 76% chance to get a T2 materia. And there was at all times a 5% chance to upgrade your tier into the next level. You could use this to essentiall get cheap "upgrades" if the materia you throw in is trash.

But the downside is that...

6 materia are for Elements.
6 are for attributes
4 are for sub-stats (accuracy, determination, crit, parry)
2 are for speed (skill speed/spell speed)
3 are for crafting
3 are for gathering

And if there is one specific materia you're after, you get a 1 in a 24 RNG chance of getting the right one.

Which was already bad, but if you use 5x Tier 3 hoping to get a Tier 4 out of it, you're basicly looking at a 1 in 480 chance to get a Tier 4 materia that you were after.
And if you use the common 1x T4 and 4x T3 you'd still be looking at a 1 in 120 chance of getting the Tier 4 materia you were after.
The only reasonable way to do this is to use 5x Tier 4 materia, which would be immensely expensive (even elemental ones) and would still only get you a 1 in 24 chance of getting that materia you were after.

So unless the materia you want is 500.000 gil, and you can purchase a Tier 4 materia of any kind for gamling for less than 4166 gil, you shouldnt bother with this unless you're feeling extremely lucky. (5x Tier 4 at a 4% chance makes you need 120 before you get it right)

I went through 80 materia myself the day this came out. My entire retainer stockpile of Tier 3's and the end of the day i got three materia that i wanted to use for melding on my crafter, and nothing even remotely worth selling.
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#16 Jul 07 2014 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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Just a little thought about Tier IV materia.

With the new dungeons in 2.3 holding an Item Level Requirement of 70, it probably also stands to reason that the enemies you will be facing are going to be of a higher level on average (technically speaking since nothing shows higher than 50).

This also means that, if you have the materials on hand, or seals to get the materials, or just buy them from the Market Board, you can make Item Level 70 crafted gear to use to spiritbond in these new dungeons, giving you a much better opportunity at needed Tier IV materia without the shared result pool with Tier III that gear from levels 45 to 55 have.

Since outside of that, so far the only places where spiritbonding i70 gear was possible (albeit not really as feasible) were Crystal Tower or the First Coils of Bahamut (well, SCoB too I guess, but why would you even?).

Edited, Jul 7th 2014 1:52pm by Satisiun
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